Everyone Is Lying. trump Questions Health Experts On Twitter

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The damage to the economy is waaaaaay overblown. It's a fraction of what we are being told.
 
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What are the health experts lying about? What is the truth?

trump doesn't say but retweets that accusation.

People can be wrong about things then when they get more information they can change their views but that's not lying. It's being wrong.

Most were wrong about the virus at first. Only because there wasn't much known about it at first. When more information was known, things changed. Which is what is supposed to happen when new information is known.

Only the stupid people don't change when they get new information.

As far as most people and I can see, trump is the liar here. Not the experts.

Remember: Trump good, science bad. Only Trump speaks Da Troof. Everything else is Deep State Commie Marxist Fake News.




I guess we have come to that.

All trump is doing is making this virus worse. Which makes the economy worse.

I just have to wonder why he is doing this.
My guess is that it's not his intent to cause this damage. He has completely committed his presidency, at least his first term, to placating his base. And his base - those who get their worldviews from Hannity, Carlson, QAnon - want/expect him to be anti-science. That's his only priority, because it's those people who got him elected. He's driven by this desperation to be accepted, even if it's by people like that. And part of this is also that any damage he causes will be blamed on anyone else.



The fact that he doesn't take any responsibility for what he has done.

The fact that he has the best experts in the world at his fingertips yet refuses to follow their advice and on top of that goes out of his way to trash and discredit them.

The fact that he sees the virus out of control with thousands dying and does nothing.

The fact that he says masks aren't needed, refuses to wear one and does the exact opposite of what the experts say should be done.

Those and other facts lead me to believe he is intentionally causing this damage. Or just doesn't care.

He has been told the facts. He has chosen to ignore facts.

I do believe he is doing this on purpose or just doesn't care. I just don't understand why.

No one is this stupid. No one who sees what is happening turns a blind eye to it without a very good reason.

I would like to know that reason.
Yep, I wonder that too because some of his base is certainly dying from the virus.



Yes it's very old people who it's an automatic death sentence and it's those old people who are dying. They are also part of trump's base.

I don't understand why he is doing what he's doing.

A sane and intelligent person would listen to experts and do all they can to defeat this virus.

If he honestly cared about the economy he would be doing all he can to stop the virus instead of all he can to make it as bad as possible.

I don't get it.

I hope there will be something left of this nation and our people by the time this man is gone from our White House.

I agree with the Lincoln Project. Every single one of the republicans who enabled this man needs to be voted out of office.
 

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Only a solipsist would think he knows more than a health expert. The hubris never ends....
I think he really believes it. And I think the Trumpsters really do, too. Not good.

And there's more:
The many trump supporters where I live certainly believe it. He says Fauci is dead they would believe it without even checking.
I have a few Facebook friends who definitely seem to believe everything they are told in the alternate universe. All the paranoia, all the crazy.

I've never seen anything like this, and never would I have imagined that this many Americans would be anti-science. Never.

Yup, me too. Friend of mine in Texas says they're OK because they live in Montgomery County and not Harris County (Houston) where the cases are growing and hospitals are reporting full. I said, "You live 35 miles from city center, COVID doesn't recognize county lines!!" And he's a college-educated TrumpTARD.
Well, ideology can infect perfectly intelligent people, ironically.

Got that. My ex, who has a JD and an LLM from U of Texas Law School, is a big Trumper. SMH
Yep. Group pathology -- inexplicable large scale commitment to a deeply troubled man.

The world has seen this before.
Forget Trump. What is happening is WAY bigger than him, and your obsession with him and his followers is distracting you and clouding your judgement, imo.
But I agree completely. I've said many, many times, he's just a symbol, a totem.

This is about the ugliness of Trumpism, and how far we still have to go. But we'll get there.
I actually agree with you that people are putting their devotion and trust in the wrong place. Charismatic politicians have a way of getting people to practically worship them. It was that way with Obama too.

But my point stands, just because you are fed up with Trumpists, that doesn't mean that everything they are saying should automatically be rejected. And even though I am not a Trump supporter and I am getting tired of his contradictory actions, that doesn't mean that he never speaks the truth at all. But it doesn't matter anyway, as I said, forget Trump, what is happening is global and it's unfortunate that people seem to be guided by a football mentality partisanship, as opposed letting truth be what is most important...even if it leads to a position that one might have initially thought was crazy. I hope that made sense.
 

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If Trump fired an 'expert' that was right in any important way, I'd be concerned. He fired a guy who to my knowledge never got one thing right. It was time for him to go.
 

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What are the health experts lying about? What is the truth?

trump doesn't say but retweets that accusation.

People can be wrong about things then when they get more information they can change their views but that's not lying. It's being wrong.

Most were wrong about the virus at first. Only because there wasn't much known about it at first. When more information was known, things changed. Which is what is supposed to happen when new information is known.

Only the stupid people don't change when they get new information.

As far as most people and I can see, trump is the liar here. Not the experts.

Dummass, everyone IS lying. That's why despite draconian measures, everyone wearing masks, distancing, washing, etc., umpteen businesses shut down, going out of business, people are still contracting the bug left and right.

Too bad so few of them actually ever get really sick and or die.

You go, Trump baby, go.
Interesting definition of draconian that you have, and no, everyone is not lying.
 

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Science is only 1/3 of the equation. There is also the economic impact and psychological impact
The path to best managing those goes through science.
No it doesn’t. It’s 1/3 of the equation. Science says I should not eat Buffalo Wings with blue cheese as it’s bad for me. Doesn’t mean I wont eat it as having fun and enjoying food is OK sometimes.
Science doesn't just mean health. Economics can be a science to. This might be a good article for you. Don't worry it agrees with your assumed premise that health isn't the only consideration. ‘That’s Crazy’: Reopening Schools Is Possible, but We’re Doing It Wrong
Having fun though is not a good enough reason to risk OTHER people's life though.
We risk other people’s lives every time we drive a car
Yes, I agree. The difference is that a car is almost indispensable for most people. Not wearing a mask is at worst a comfort thing for the overwhelming majority of people. You drive right? Do you recognize the wisdom of obligating a person to put their young child in a car seat? It would be easier to just have to make them put a seatbelt on right? But I'm guessing you feel their safety in a car supersedes making stuff easy for you?
I never said I was against masks. I am against slippery slopes.
 

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Science is only 1/3 of the equation. There is also the economic impact and psychological impact
The path to best managing those goes through science.
No it doesn’t. It’s 1/3 of the equation. Science says I should not eat Buffalo Wings with blue cheese as it’s bad for me. Doesn’t mean I wont eat it as having fun and enjoying food is OK sometimes.
Science doesn't just mean health. Economics can be a science to. This might be a good article for you. Don't worry it agrees with your assumed premise that health isn't the only consideration. ‘That’s Crazy’: Reopening Schools Is Possible, but We’re Doing It Wrong
Having fun though is not a good enough reason to risk OTHER people's life though.
I'm guessing you are trying to make a point with this interview right? I'm further guessing it is Fauci saying that children aren't really affected? This is true. On the other hand, we don't know what role exactly children can play in SPREADING the disease.
So have young teachers teach them while mentored by more seasoned teachers via zoom.
 

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If Trump fired an 'expert' that was right in any important way, I'd be concerned. He fired a guy who to my knowledge never got one thing right. It was time for him to go.
Really great point. Bravo!
 

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Science is only 1/3 of the equation. There is also the economic impact and psychological impact
The path to best managing those goes through science.
No it doesn’t. It’s 1/3 of the equation. Science says I should not eat Buffalo Wings with blue cheese as it’s bad for me. Doesn’t mean I wont eat it as having fun and enjoying food is OK sometimes.
Science doesn't just mean health. Economics can be a science to. This might be a good article for you. Don't worry it agrees with your assumed premise that health isn't the only consideration. ‘That’s Crazy’: Reopening Schools Is Possible, but We’re Doing It Wrong
Having fun though is not a good enough reason to risk OTHER people's life though.
We risk other people’s lives every time we drive a car
Yes, I agree. The difference is that a car is almost indispensable for most people. Not wearing a mask is at worst a comfort thing for the overwhelming majority of people. You drive right? Do you recognize the wisdom of obligating a person to put their young child in a car seat? It would be easier to just have to make them put a seatbelt on right? But I'm guessing you feel their safety in a car supersedes making stuff easy for you?
Just noticed I brought masks into this. That's because I've been in a few posts recently talking about them. It's a strawman this way and I apologize. It was by accident.

The point stands though. If you recognize that driving a car brings with it certain responsibilities as to safety than you recognize that safety can and is an issue when engaging in risky behavior. Especially if you are endangering others.
If I have bad eyesight or poor hearing, I should not be driving. If I believe I am a high risk individual, I should not go out in public.
 

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Science is only 1/3 of the equation. There is also the economic impact and psychological impact
The path to best managing those goes through science.
No it doesn’t. It’s 1/3 of the equation. Science says I should not eat Buffalo Wings with blue cheese as it’s bad for me. Doesn’t mean I wont eat it as having fun and enjoying food is OK sometimes.
Science doesn't just mean health. Economics can be a science to. This might be a good article for you. Don't worry it agrees with your assumed premise that health isn't the only consideration. ‘That’s Crazy’: Reopening Schools Is Possible, but We’re Doing It Wrong
Having fun though is not a good enough reason to risk OTHER people's life though.
We risk other people’s lives every time we drive a car
Yes, I agree. The difference is that a car is almost indispensable for most people. Not wearing a mask is at worst a comfort thing for the overwhelming majority of people. You drive right? Do you recognize the wisdom of obligating a person to put their young child in a car seat? It would be easier to just have to make them put a seatbelt on right? But I'm guessing you feel their safety in a car supersedes making stuff easy for you?
I never said I was against masks. I am against slippery slopes.
I know
Just noticed I brought masks into this. That's because I've been in a few posts recently talking about them. It's a strawman this way and I apologize. It was by accident.

The point stands though. If you recognize that driving a car brings with it certain responsibilities as to safety than you recognize that safety can and is an issue when engaging in risky behavior. Especially if you are endangering others.
 

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What are the health experts lying about? What is the truth?

trump doesn't say but retweets that accusation.

People can be wrong about things then when they get more information they can change their views but that's not lying. It's being wrong.

Most were wrong about the virus at first. Only because there wasn't much known about it at first. When more information was known, things changed. Which is what is supposed to happen when new information is known.

Only the stupid people don't change when they get new information.

As far as most people and I can see, trump is the liar here. Not the experts.

Dummass, everyone IS lying. That's why despite draconian measures, everyone wearing masks, distancing, washing, etc., umpteen businesses shut down, going out of business, people are still contracting the bug left and right.

Too bad so few of them actually ever get really sick and or die.

You go, Trump baby, go.
Dumbass with a "b" dumbass.

Defined as people like you that don't/won't help mitigate the problem.
 

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Science is only 1/3 of the equation. There is also the economic impact and psychological impact
The path to best managing those goes through science.
No it doesn’t. It’s 1/3 of the equation. Science says I should not eat Buffalo Wings with blue cheese as it’s bad for me. Doesn’t mean I wont eat it as having fun and enjoying food is OK sometimes.
Science doesn't just mean health. Economics can be a science to. This might be a good article for you. Don't worry it agrees with your assumed premise that health isn't the only consideration. ‘That’s Crazy’: Reopening Schools Is Possible, but We’re Doing It Wrong
Having fun though is not a good enough reason to risk OTHER people's life though.
I'm guessing you are trying to make a point with this interview right? I'm further guessing it is Fauci saying that children aren't really affected? This is true. On the other hand, we don't know what role exactly children can play in SPREADING the disease.
So have young teachers teach them while mentored by more seasoned teachers via zoom.
Is the infrastructure in place for that? How does that work practically since we are talking about a severe staff shortage in school? It also doesn't address the simple fact that these kids go home to their parents after being in contact with other kids who might be infected. Transmission is just that transmission. It doesn't have to affect a high-risk individual the first time. It still kills those people even if they get it from someone who was in contact with a teacher who got it from a kid.

The whole point is limiting contact.
 

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Only a solipsist would think he knows more than a health expert.

The hubris never ends....
You really have no clue what is going on.
Ok, enlighten me. I’m all ears.
The world is changing, and the changes are not due to any so-called pandemic, there are agendas being rolled out that have been in the works for decades. We are moving into completely new systems - economic, political, social, everything.

The criminals who are running the show are using a tactic that works every time. Problem - Reaction - Solution. In order to bring about certain agendas, they have to get the public on board with it. In fact, to practically beg for it. I just posted about this on another thread last night, so instead of writing it all out again, here's the link to that post.

The crowd behind all of this is calling it "The Great Reset." Of course they're not going to call it what it actually is, because they always have to use euphemisms and appealing sounding phrases.

But what this is all leading to is massive surveillance, mandatory vaccinations, ID2020 and biometric tracking devices, digital currency so the government can track everything, eventually a cashless society, the continued destruction of our human rights, privacy and freedom, Agenda 2030 and eventually the New World order.
 
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Science is only 1/3 of the equation. There is also the economic impact and psychological impact
The path to best managing those goes through science.
No it doesn’t. It’s 1/3 of the equation. Science says I should not eat Buffalo Wings with blue cheese as it’s bad for me. Doesn’t mean I wont eat it as having fun and enjoying food is OK sometimes.
Science doesn't just mean health. Economics can be a science to. This might be a good article for you. Don't worry it agrees with your assumed premise that health isn't the only consideration. ‘That’s Crazy’: Reopening Schools Is Possible, but We’re Doing It Wrong
Having fun though is not a good enough reason to risk OTHER people's life though.
We risk other people’s lives every time we drive a car
Yes, I agree. The difference is that a car is almost indispensable for most people. Not wearing a mask is at worst a comfort thing for the overwhelming majority of people. You drive right? Do you recognize the wisdom of obligating a person to put their young child in a car seat? It would be easier to just have to make them put a seatbelt on right? But I'm guessing you feel their safety in a car supersedes making stuff easy for you?
Just noticed I brought masks into this. That's because I've been in a few posts recently talking about them. It's a strawman this way and I apologize. It was by accident.

The point stands though. If you recognize that driving a car brings with it certain responsibilities as to safety than you recognize that safety can and is an issue when engaging in risky behavior. Especially if you are endangering others.
If I have bad eyesight or poor hearing, I should not be driving. If I believe I am a high risk individual, I should not go out in public.
Do you believe that someone who gets hit by a car who runs a red light is at fault? I'm guessing not. So why is a high-risk individual obligated to stay indoors so the general public is free to go about their business?

This is besides the consideration that a substantial amount of people, even young people end up in the hospital for extended periods of time when catching this, endangering routine oparations in them.
 

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Science is only 1/3 of the equation. There is also the economic impact and psychological impact
The path to best managing those goes through science.
No it doesn’t. It’s 1/3 of the equation. Science says I should not eat Buffalo Wings with blue cheese as it’s bad for me. Doesn’t mean I wont eat it as having fun and enjoying food is OK sometimes.
Science doesn't just mean health. Economics can be a science to. This might be a good article for you. Don't worry it agrees with your assumed premise that health isn't the only consideration. ‘That’s Crazy’: Reopening Schools Is Possible, but We’re Doing It Wrong
Having fun though is not a good enough reason to risk OTHER people's life though.
I'm guessing you are trying to make a point with this interview right? I'm further guessing it is Fauci saying that children aren't really affected? This is true. On the other hand, we don't know what role exactly children can play in SPREADING the disease.
So have young teachers teach them while mentored by more seasoned teachers via zoom.
Is the infrastructure in place for that? How does that work practically since we are talking about a severe staff shortage in school? It also doesn't address the simple fact that these kids go home to their parents after being in contact with other kids who might be infected. Transmission is just that transmission. It doesn't have to affect a high-risk individual the first time. It still kills those people even if they get it from someone who was in contact with a teacher who got it from a kid.

The whole point is limiting contact.
Kids hang with other kids now. My kids hang in groups of 50+ constantly so that cat is out of the bag. Teachers that refuse to go back go on disability and we hire those that want to teach. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.
 

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What are the health experts lying about? What is the truth?

trump doesn't say but retweets that accusation.

People can be wrong about things then when they get more information they can change their views but that's not lying. It's being wrong.

Most were wrong about the virus at first. Only because there wasn't much known about it at first. When more information was known, things changed. Which is what is supposed to happen when new information is known.

Only the stupid people don't change when they get new information.

As far as most people and I can see, trump is the liar here. Not the experts.

The President has the responsibility to paint an optimistic picture whenever he can. He has to save the economy so your commie shitbags can't take over and turn us into Venezuela. Try to keep in mind he is speaking to 350M Americans....not half a dozen halfwits on a message board.
In all fairness, the shitbags aren't accustom to speaking to large crowds, so.....


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Science is only 1/3 of the equation. There is also the economic impact and psychological impact
The path to best managing those goes through science.
No it doesn’t. It’s 1/3 of the equation. Science says I should not eat Buffalo Wings with blue cheese as it’s bad for me. Doesn’t mean I wont eat it as having fun and enjoying food is OK sometimes.
Science doesn't just mean health. Economics can be a science to. This might be a good article for you. Don't worry it agrees with your assumed premise that health isn't the only consideration. ‘That’s Crazy’: Reopening Schools Is Possible, but We’re Doing It Wrong
Having fun though is not a good enough reason to risk OTHER people's life though.
I'm guessing you are trying to make a point with this interview right? I'm further guessing it is Fauci saying that children aren't really affected? This is true. On the other hand, we don't know what role exactly children can play in SPREADING the disease.
So have young teachers teach them while mentored by more seasoned teachers via zoom.
Is the infrastructure in place for that? How does that work practically since we are talking about a severe staff shortage in school? It also doesn't address the simple fact that these kids go home to their parents after being in contact with other kids who might be infected. Transmission is just that transmission. It doesn't have to affect a high-risk individual the first time. It still kills those people even if they get it from someone who was in contact with a teacher who got it from a kid.

The whole point is limiting contact.
Kids hang with other kids now. My kids hang in groups of 50+ constantly so that cat is out of the bag. Teachers that refuse to go back go on disability and we hire those that want to teach. You cannot have your cake and eat it too.
That's a bit cynical, isn't it? Well, the cat is out of the bag so let's not take any measures since it works for me. I have a question for you that you are free to disregard if you don't want to answer it. Do you or your kids come in contact with people in the high-risk groups? Grandparents maybe? These groups have a 7 to 10 percent chance of dying if they catch it. I certainly wouldn't wish this to happen but for me and I assume for you the chance that it does should convince you that taking measures, even painful ones are worth it.
 

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Let's hear someone say that a potus knows more than an expert in the field. C'mon waiting for it....need my daily dose of stupidity from you.
 

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