EVERYONE!!! Including the MSM that should KNOW better! The difference between absentee voting and JUNK MAIL voting!

[Harry Dresden]

The ballots are the same whether you request them or not


THEY ARE THE SAME THING

LMAO @ the Stupid Shit Leftist believe .....

Folks you can't make this shit up.

They don't call 'em Useful Idiots for 'nuffin !!!!

They are EXACTLY the same.

they look the same.....but if the states register of voters does not keep up with their mailing lists,and not all of them do,then there could be problems.....

Same as with in person voting

Lot of people on the rolls who have moved
They just don’t vote

the fear is someone may take that ballot and send it in....so its not the same as in person....

You're right it's not. Signatures aren't checked at the polls, but they are if you vote by mail. Nobody can take your ballot and send it in...unless they are excellent forgers.

i am only talking about what i have seen in my years as a letter carrier.....if the registar of voters does their job and keeps their lists up to date,very little problems.....i used to have a route that had 8 apt complexes and the turnover was pretty high,and its kinda hard to keep up with all the name changes....and many people would move and leave no address....and there would be quite a few voter registration cards addressed to the apts with people i had never heard of,but the address was correct,i had to deliver those,if the person was there or not i did not know.....i would put a question mark on them and let the person who i know lived there give it back or do what ever.....many times they would leave it at the box with a "not here" written on it and they would be sent back "unknown" .....but many times i never got anything back....those are the ballots that the anti mailers are afraid of....

Thanks for your expertise in delivering mail. Appreciate your years of service.
The issue is magnified though by the shear volume of actual ballots being mailed out to the addresses the election office has on hand.
In the past most of the ballots that you delivered WERE requested, i.e. ABSENTEE Ballots where from my experience, I was asked to REQUEST an
absentee ballot, a form was sent to me and I completed the form and THEN I received the actual ballot.
JUNK MAIL balloting does NOT depend on a request. The election office sends all the voters on their rolls actual ballots and then the office compares
signatures with signatures on hand. With your experiences especially with 8 apt. complexes the turn over rate is probably higher than the 10% national average.

and also if the forms i got were from people who did not live there,who requested those?......when i was delivering i was told that renters in Apts move on the avg of every 2 years....and the amount of changes i got monthly i can believe that....

Appreciate you experience. The whole issue is NOT absentee ballots BUT JUNK MAIL where ballots are sent en masse to names on the roll.
With Population and Voting Rates for Congressional Districts: 2018 over 233 million supposedly registered
voters??? ... Just 10% having moved during the year or 23 million votes would be misaddressed.

you might call them junk mail but ballots whether they were requested or not,are sent first class,junk mail is the advertising 3rd class mail you get sent even if your name is on them...

"JUNK MAIL" is mail I didn't request. The same will be for the "JUNK MAIL ballot". I didn't request a ballot YET I get one and If I don't live there anymore,
where does that "JUNK MAIL ballot" end up?

thats your definition.....where does it end up?....it depends....if the carrier recognizes the name as a former tenant it gets returned to the sender,most of the time the registra does not care were they moved because you are supposed to re-register at your new address........if not known but the address is good, the carrier is supposed to attempt delivery,if the person who lives there does not know who that person is,the great majority of the time they give it back usually with a "not here" written on it then it gets returned to the sender with "attempted unknown" stamped on it.... if they dont give it back then either that is someone they know or they shit canned it or who knows....

 

[Harry Dresden]

I get so frustrated that the MSM especially doesn't seem to make the distinction between "absentee voting" and "JUNK MAIL Voting"!
I've called it "JUNK MAIL voting" because "JUNK MAIL voting" is simple. The election offices simply MAIL ballots to the addresses they have on record.
YUP... KNOWING that nationally that 10.1% move each year that means for example 1 million addresses 100,000 people addressed HAVE moved.
So what happens to those 100,000 ballots?
NOW versus ABSENTEE balloting which REQUIRES the voter to REQUEST a ballot which is sent AFTER the election office VALIDATES the person requested is a legitimate citizen...i.e. using photo id or some other verification process including the signature on the request. THEN an absentee ballot is MAILED and the recipient completed the ballot... puts into an covering envelope and then puts into a provided mailing envelope THAT the voter SIGNS again. Once the absentee ballot received the outside signature checked against signature on file to verify the identity !

SO do all of you (INCLUDING the MSM!!!) NOW understand the distinction?
JUNK MAIL has no verification that the recipient is at the address...with 10% of Americans moving every year... millions of incorrect mail!
ABSENTEE ballot though are REQUESTED not JUNK MAILED!
Absentee ballot is signed and verified ...JUNK MAIL is NOT!

Understand the distinctions???

I get so frustrated because the Trump Cult continues to spread lies, disinformation and propaganda about mail-in voting.

All of the verifications you seek are contained in all mail-in ballots, whether the voter asked for the ballot or not. There's also a further verification you failed to mention. The identity of the voter signing the mail in ballot is CERTIFIED by a Notary Public, and that certification is affixed to the ballot.

9 states have been conducting voting by mail with ballots being mailed to everyone in the state for generations with no problems with fraud or difficulties certifying the vote. Mail in voting has been going on in the military since the country has had a standing military. It even happened during the Civil War.

The ONLY people in the country who says that mail-in voting is a problem is Trump and his staff. And that's because Trump knows he's losing. Trump has said "We have to get rid of the ballots". He is prepared to go the Supreme Court to overturn the election. He's called on the militias to defend him if he loses.

This is sedition against the Constitution of the United States. Shame on you!!!

Trump needs an excuse for why he loses.

Last time, it was 3 million illegal aliens voting.

Now, he has created a false conspiracy that mail in voting is fixed

NO it is NOT false because any logical rational human KNOWS that with 10% of Americans moving every year, and with states bulk Mailing JUNK MAIL ballots, there will be people who will sign the ballots fraudulently. And that with the gross increase due to JUNK MAIL ballots, there WILL be more ballots with fraudulent signatures NOT rejected. IT IS GUARANTEED!

Any logical, rational human KNOWS that Donald Trump is lying. How can these ballots be fraudulent when people sign the ballots and have them certified by a Notary Republic, after providing identification to the Notary, and then have their signatures are verified against their voter registraton application? The answer is, they can't. That is why mail-in voting with or without request, is in many ways less open to fraud, than in person voting.

You keep ignoring the certification of the Notary Public on mail in voting. You haven't once mentioned it in fact. Why do you leave out the certification of the Notary Public and the verification of the signature on every mail-in ballot against the voter registration signature, when you talk about this issue?

Trump Cult members lie, and lie and lie. They're about as honest as Donald Trump.

as far as i know only 7 states require notarization....

 

[Care4all]

I get so frustrated that the MSM especially doesn't seem to make the distinction between "absentee voting" and "JUNK MAIL Voting"!
I've called it "JUNK MAIL voting" because "JUNK MAIL voting" is simple. The election offices simply MAIL ballots to the addresses they have on record.
YUP... KNOWING that nationally that 10.1% move each year that means for example 1 million addresses 100,000 people addressed HAVE moved.
So what happens to those 100,000 ballots?
NOW versus ABSENTEE balloting which REQUIRES the voter to REQUEST a ballot which is sent AFTER the election office VALIDATES the person requested is a legitimate citizen...i.e. using photo id or some other verification process including the signature on the request. THEN an absentee ballot is MAILED and the recipient completed the ballot... puts into an covering envelope and then puts into a provided mailing envelope THAT the voter SIGNS again. Once the absentee ballot received the outside signature checked against signature on file to verify the identity !

SO do all of you (INCLUDING the MSM!!!) NOW understand the distinction?
JUNK MAIL has no verification that the recipient is at the address...with 10% of Americans moving every year... millions of incorrect mail!
ABSENTEE ballot though are REQUESTED not JUNK MAILED!
Absentee ballot is signed and verified ...JUNK MAIL is NOT!

Understand the distinctions???

I get so frustrated because the Trump Cult continues to spread lies, disinformation and propaganda about mail-in voting.

All of the verifications you seek are contained in all mail-in ballots, whether the voter asked for the ballot or not. There's also a further verification you failed to mention. The identity of the voter signing the mail in ballot is CERTIFIED by a Notary Public, and that certification is affixed to the ballot.

9 states have been conducting voting by mail with ballots being mailed to everyone in the state for generations with no problems with fraud or difficulties certifying the vote. Mail in voting has been going on in the military since the country has had a standing military. It even happened during the Civil War.

The ONLY people in the country who says that mail-in voting is a problem is Trump and his staff. And that's because Trump knows he's losing. Trump has said "We have to get rid of the ballots". He is prepared to go the Supreme Court to overturn the election. He's called on the militias to defend him if he loses.

This is sedition against the Constitution of the United States. Shame on you!!!

Trump needs an excuse for why he loses.

Last time, it was 3 million illegal aliens voting.

Now, he has created a false conspiracy that mail in voting is fixed

NO it is NOT false because any logical rational human KNOWS that with 10% of Americans moving every year, and with states bulk Mailing JUNK MAIL ballots, there will be people who will sign the ballots fraudulently. And that with the gross increase due to JUNK MAIL ballots, there WILL be more ballots with fraudulent signatures NOT rejected. IT IS GUARANTEED!

You are a new resident. A mail in ballot for the previous resident arrives. So you open it up, fake his signature and mail it.

It arrives and the signature is compared to the one on file and is rejected. Rather than just throw it out, they contact you and ask you to verify your identity.

You have now subjected yourself to prosecution for ONE VOTE

YOU are 100% correct on all the above steps.
BUT that totally depends on VERY few ABSENTEE ballots with few false signatures, and "they" contacting you!
With the emphasis on JUNK MAIL balloting increasing the number of ballots being unsolicited and mailed to people that may have moved...there is guaranteed an increase in fraud. NO question and if you think there won't be? YOU are terribly naive!
The organization's analysis said that if election turnout increases in accordance with predictions, about 80 million mail ballots would be sent to election offices this fall, a figure that is more than double the number of ballots that were returned four years ago.

75% of Americans can vote by mail in 2020, report says

As the COVID-19 pandemic spread across America, discussions about safety at polling places forced states to make mail voting more accessible.

www.foxnews.com

Using the average number of Americans that move each year is about 10% of the population... 10% of 80 million is 8 million votes that are possibly mailed
to a voter who no longer lives there.
So if 8 million votes are potential fraudulently submitted and it depends on people being contacted and then charges filed and then arrested and then the fraudulent signer goes to court and then found guilty..... YOU really think all those steps will occur?

10% of 320000 million people is 32 million, including intelligible to vote children. I believe about 160 million people have registered to vote....?

--------

Where you are being cynical, is that you believe that any of the people receiving a ballot for someone else, are all willing to commit a FELONY by forging someone else's signature and mailing in their ballot.... just to achieve 1 vote.

10% of "320,000,000,000" that is what 320,000 million is! 320 billion or 10% is 320 million!
And I don't believe every Republican is prone to fraudulently sign the ballot. I do believe there is a higher % of Democrats that will though.
And more importantly, there are more postal workers that vote Democrat that can "harvest the ballots." And there are DEFINITELY more Democrats like this guy!

"But the political insider, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he fears prosecution, said fraud is more the rule than the exception. His dirty work has taken him through the weeds of municipal and federal elections in Paterson, Atlantic City, Camden, Newark, Hoboken and Hudson County and his fingerprints can be found in local legislative, mayoral and congressional races across the Garden State. Some of the biggest names and highest office holders in New Jersey have benefited from his tricks, according to campaign records The Post reviewed.
“An election that is swayed by 500 votes, 1,000 votes — it can make a difference,” the tipster said. “It could be enough to flip states.”
The whisteblower — whose identity, rap sheet and long history working as a consultant to various campaigns were confirmed by The Post — says he not only changed ballots himself over the years, but led teams of fraudsters and mentored at least 20 operatives in New Jersey, New York and Pennsylvania — a critical 2020 swing state.

Exclusive | Confessions of a voter fraud: I was a master at fixing mail-in ballots

A top Democratic operative says voter fraud, especially with mail-in ballots, is no myth. And he knows this because he’s been doing it, on a grand scale, for decades. Mail-in ballots have bec…

nypost.com

Sure, but that is local level, and unproven, or we would have a name.....

And has NOTHING TO DO with mailing ballots to unsolicited registered voters? He did that fraud, if true, without unsolicited mailing....

 

[Dragonlady]

I get so frustrated that the MSM especially doesn't seem to make the distinction between "absentee voting" and "JUNK MAIL Voting"!
I've called it "JUNK MAIL voting" because "JUNK MAIL voting" is simple. The election offices simply MAIL ballots to the addresses they have on record.
YUP... KNOWING that nationally that 10.1% move each year that means for example 1 million addresses 100,000 people addressed HAVE moved.
So what happens to those 100,000 ballots?
NOW versus ABSENTEE balloting which REQUIRES the voter to REQUEST a ballot which is sent AFTER the election office VALIDATES the person requested is a legitimate citizen...i.e. using photo id or some other verification process including the signature on the request. THEN an absentee ballot is MAILED and the recipient completed the ballot... puts into an covering envelope and then puts into a provided mailing envelope THAT the voter SIGNS again. Once the absentee ballot received the outside signature checked against signature on file to verify the identity !

SO do all of you (INCLUDING the MSM!!!) NOW understand the distinction?
JUNK MAIL has no verification that the recipient is at the address...with 10% of Americans moving every year... millions of incorrect mail!
ABSENTEE ballot though are REQUESTED not JUNK MAILED!
Absentee ballot is signed and verified ...JUNK MAIL is NOT!

Understand the distinctions???

I get so frustrated because the Trump Cult continues to spread lies, disinformation and propaganda about mail-in voting.

All of the verifications you seek are contained in all mail-in ballots, whether the voter asked for the ballot or not. There's also a further verification you failed to mention. The identity of the voter signing the mail in ballot is CERTIFIED by a Notary Public, and that certification is affixed to the ballot.

9 states have been conducting voting by mail with ballots being mailed to everyone in the state for generations with no problems with fraud or difficulties certifying the vote. Mail in voting has been going on in the military since the country has had a standing military. It even happened during the Civil War.

The ONLY people in the country who says that mail-in voting is a problem is Trump and his staff. And that's because Trump knows he's losing. Trump has said "We have to get rid of the ballots". He is prepared to go the Supreme Court to overturn the election. He's called on the militias to defend him if he loses.

This is sedition against the Constitution of the United States. Shame on you!!!

Trump needs an excuse for why he loses.

Last time, it was 3 million illegal aliens voting.

Now, he has created a false conspiracy that mail in voting is fixed

NO it is NOT false because any logical rational human KNOWS that with 10% of Americans moving every year, and with states bulk Mailing JUNK MAIL ballots, there will be people who will sign the ballots fraudulently. And that with the gross increase due to JUNK MAIL ballots, there WILL be more ballots with fraudulent signatures NOT rejected. IT IS GUARANTEED!

You are a new resident. A mail in ballot for the previous resident arrives. So you open it up, fake his signature and mail it.

It arrives and the signature is compared to the one on file and is rejected. Rather than just throw it out, they contact you and ask you to verify your identity.

You have now subjected yourself to prosecution for ONE VOTE

that would be hard RW....all the person has to say is i dont know what you are talking about,i never got no ballot for that person.....we had a postal inspector who worked out of our office he said in order to prove an individual is committing fraud their mail would have to be monitored for a period of time....

Either way, the fake ballot is rejected. Which means that voter fraud isn't an issue.

 

[Dragonlady]

I get so frustrated that the MSM especially doesn't seem to make the distinction between "absentee voting" and "JUNK MAIL Voting"!
I've called it "JUNK MAIL voting" because "JUNK MAIL voting" is simple. The election offices simply MAIL ballots to the addresses they have on record.
YUP... KNOWING that nationally that 10.1% move each year that means for example 1 million addresses 100,000 people addressed HAVE moved.
So what happens to those 100,000 ballots?
NOW versus ABSENTEE balloting which REQUIRES the voter to REQUEST a ballot which is sent AFTER the election office VALIDATES the person requested is a legitimate citizen...i.e. using photo id or some other verification process including the signature on the request. THEN an absentee ballot is MAILED and the recipient completed the ballot... puts into an covering envelope and then puts into a provided mailing envelope THAT the voter SIGNS again. Once the absentee ballot received the outside signature checked against signature on file to verify the identity !

SO do all of you (INCLUDING the MSM!!!) NOW understand the distinction?
JUNK MAIL has no verification that the recipient is at the address...with 10% of Americans moving every year... millions of incorrect mail!
ABSENTEE ballot though are REQUESTED not JUNK MAILED!
Absentee ballot is signed and verified ...JUNK MAIL is NOT!

Understand the distinctions???

I get so frustrated because the Trump Cult continues to spread lies, disinformation and propaganda about mail-in voting.

All of the verifications you seek are contained in all mail-in ballots, whether the voter asked for the ballot or not. There's also a further verification you failed to mention. The identity of the voter signing the mail in ballot is CERTIFIED by a Notary Public, and that certification is affixed to the ballot.

9 states have been conducting voting by mail with ballots being mailed to everyone in the state for generations with no problems with fraud or difficulties certifying the vote. Mail in voting has been going on in the military since the country has had a standing military. It even happened during the Civil War.

The ONLY people in the country who says that mail-in voting is a problem is Trump and his staff. And that's because Trump knows he's losing. Trump has said "We have to get rid of the ballots". He is prepared to go the Supreme Court to overturn the election. He's called on the militias to defend him if he loses.

This is sedition against the Constitution of the United States. Shame on you!!!

Trump needs an excuse for why he loses.

Last time, it was 3 million illegal aliens voting.

Now, he has created a false conspiracy that mail in voting is fixed

NO it is NOT false because any logical rational human KNOWS that with 10% of Americans moving every year, and with states bulk Mailing JUNK MAIL ballots, there will be people who will sign the ballots fraudulently. And that with the gross increase due to JUNK MAIL ballots, there WILL be more ballots with fraudulent signatures NOT rejected. IT IS GUARANTEED!

Any logical, rational human KNOWS that Donald Trump is lying. How can these ballots be fraudulent when people sign the ballots and have them certified by a Notary Republic, after providing identification to the Notary, and then have their signatures are verified against their voter registraton application? The answer is, they can't. That is why mail-in voting with or without request, is in many ways less open to fraud, than in person voting.

You keep ignoring the certification of the Notary Public on mail in voting. You haven't once mentioned it in fact. Why do you leave out the certification of the Notary Public and the verification of the signature on every mail-in ballot against the voter registration signature, when you talk about this issue?

Trump Cult members lie, and lie and lie. They're about as honest as Donald Trump.

as far as i know only 7 states require notarization....

If true, even the states that don't require the ballots to be notarized, still do signature verification against the voter's registration application and if they don't match, the vote won't be counted.

 

[rightwinger]

The ballots are the same whether you request them or not


THEY ARE THE SAME THING

LMAO @ the Stupid Shit Leftist believe .....

Folks you can't make this shit up.

They don't call 'em Useful Idiots for 'nuffin !!!!

They are EXACTLY the same.

they look the same.....but if the states register of voters does not keep up with their mailing lists,and not all of them do,then there could be problems.....

Same as with in person voting

Lot of people on the rolls who have moved
They just don’t vote

the fear is someone may take that ballot and send it in....so its not the same as in person....

That is why they verify signatures against the one on file.

No question will be attempted to verify BUT... with 50% more especially JUNK MAIL ballots mailed will make fraudulent efforts and more fraudulent votes!
Guaranteed!

guaranteed nothing

Each ballot has a unique bar code, signatures are verified against those on file.

Difficult to accomplish widespread fraud being predicted by Republicans

Every STATE has bar code on ballot???

FACTS: Check this web site out for how EACH of the 50 states verify absentee ballots... didn't see "bar code" in any! NOT ONE state reported bar coding.

Table 14: How States Verify Voted Absentee/Mail Ballots

Summarizes methods states use to verify absentee/mail ballots, such as signature verification and having the absentee/mail ballot witnessed or notarized.

www.ncsl.org

Now Hawaii as below article DOES bar code matching to make sure there are NOT duplicate ballots... BUT does NOT match bar code with signature!

Bar Codes, Signatures And Fire-Safe Drop Boxes Help Secure Hawaii's All-Mail Election - Honolulu Civil Beat

Officials say they have a precise process in place and are following the lead of other states to ensure ballot security.

www.civilbeat.org

Just got my mail in ballot today.

There is a bar code on the return envelope

 

[rightwinger]

I get so frustrated that the MSM especially doesn't seem to make the distinction between "absentee voting" and "JUNK MAIL Voting"!
I've called it "JUNK MAIL voting" because "JUNK MAIL voting" is simple. The election offices simply MAIL ballots to the addresses they have on record.
YUP... KNOWING that nationally that 10.1% move each year that means for example 1 million addresses 100,000 people addressed HAVE moved.
So what happens to those 100,000 ballots?
NOW versus ABSENTEE balloting which REQUIRES the voter to REQUEST a ballot which is sent AFTER the election office VALIDATES the person requested is a legitimate citizen...i.e. using photo id or some other verification process including the signature on the request. THEN an absentee ballot is MAILED and the recipient completed the ballot... puts into an covering envelope and then puts into a provided mailing envelope THAT the voter SIGNS again. Once the absentee ballot received the outside signature checked against signature on file to verify the identity !

SO do all of you (INCLUDING the MSM!!!) NOW understand the distinction?
JUNK MAIL has no verification that the recipient is at the address...with 10% of Americans moving every year... millions of incorrect mail!
ABSENTEE ballot though are REQUESTED not JUNK MAILED!
Absentee ballot is signed and verified ...JUNK MAIL is NOT!

Understand the distinctions???

I get so frustrated because the Trump Cult continues to spread lies, disinformation and propaganda about mail-in voting.

All of the verifications you seek are contained in all mail-in ballots, whether the voter asked for the ballot or not. There's also a further verification you failed to mention. The identity of the voter signing the mail in ballot is CERTIFIED by a Notary Public, and that certification is affixed to the ballot.

9 states have been conducting voting by mail with ballots being mailed to everyone in the state for generations with no problems with fraud or difficulties certifying the vote. Mail in voting has been going on in the military since the country has had a standing military. It even happened during the Civil War.

The ONLY people in the country who says that mail-in voting is a problem is Trump and his staff. And that's because Trump knows he's losing. Trump has said "We have to get rid of the ballots". He is prepared to go the Supreme Court to overturn the election. He's called on the militias to defend him if he loses.

This is sedition against the Constitution of the United States. Shame on you!!!

Trump needs an excuse for why he loses.

Last time, it was 3 million illegal aliens voting.

Now, he has created a false conspiracy that mail in voting is fixed

NO it is NOT false because any logical rational human KNOWS that with 10% of Americans moving every year, and with states bulk Mailing JUNK MAIL ballots, there will be people who will sign the ballots fraudulently. And that with the gross increase due to JUNK MAIL ballots, there WILL be more ballots with fraudulent signatures NOT rejected. IT IS GUARANTEED!

You are a new resident. A mail in ballot for the previous resident arrives. So you open it up, fake his signature and mail it.

It arrives and the signature is compared to the one on file and is rejected. Rather than just throw it out, they contact you and ask you to verify your identity.

You have now subjected yourself to prosecution for ONE VOTE

that would be hard RW....all the person has to say is i dont know what you are talking about,i never got no ballot for that person.....we had a postal inspector who worked out of our office he said in order to prove an individual is committing fraud their mail would have to be monitored for a period of time....

If they wanted to prove a case, they can

Finger print, DNA where you licked the envelope

 

[Seawytch]

The ballots are the same whether you request them or not


THEY ARE THE SAME THING

LMAO @ the Stupid Shit Leftist believe .....

Folks you can't make this shit up.

They don't call 'em Useful Idiots for 'nuffin !!!!

They are EXACTLY the same.

they look the same.....but if the states register of voters does not keep up with their mailing lists,and not all of them do,then there could be problems.....

Same as with in person voting

Lot of people on the rolls who have moved
They just don’t vote

the fear is someone may take that ballot and send it in....so its not the same as in person....

You're right it's not. Signatures aren't checked at the polls, but they are if you vote by mail. Nobody can take your ballot and send it in...unless they are excellent forgers.

i am only talking about what i have seen in my years as a letter carrier.....if the registar of voters does their job and keeps their lists up to date,very little problems.....i used to have a route that had 8 apt complexes and the turnover was pretty high,and its kinda hard to keep up with all the name changes....and many people would move and leave no address....and there would be quite a few voter registration cards addressed to the apts with people i had never heard of,but the address was correct,i had to deliver those,if the person was there or not i did not know.....i would put a question mark on them and let the person who i know lived there give it back or do what ever.....many times they would leave it at the box with a "not here" written on it and they would be sent back "unknown" .....but many times i never got anything back....those are the ballots that the anti mailers are afraid of....

Still, a ballot can only be returned by the person whose name is on it. If the signature doesn’t match, the ballot is not counted.

 

[Harry Dresden]

The ballots are the same whether you request them or not


THEY ARE THE SAME THING

LMAO @ the Stupid Shit Leftist believe .....

Folks you can't make this shit up.

They don't call 'em Useful Idiots for 'nuffin !!!!

They are EXACTLY the same.

they look the same.....but if the states register of voters does not keep up with their mailing lists,and not all of them do,then there could be problems.....

Same as with in person voting

Lot of people on the rolls who have moved
They just don’t vote

the fear is someone may take that ballot and send it in....so its not the same as in person....

That is why they verify signatures against the one on file.

No question will be attempted to verify BUT... with 50% more especially JUNK MAIL ballots mailed will make fraudulent efforts and more fraudulent votes!
Guaranteed!

guaranteed nothing

Each ballot has a unique bar code, signatures are verified against those on file.

Difficult to accomplish widespread fraud being predicted by Republicans

Every STATE has bar code on ballot???

FACTS: Check this web site out for how EACH of the 50 states verify absentee ballots... didn't see "bar code" in any! NOT ONE state reported bar coding.

Table 14: How States Verify Voted Absentee/Mail Ballots

Summarizes methods states use to verify absentee/mail ballots, such as signature verification and having the absentee/mail ballot witnessed or notarized.

www.ncsl.org

Now Hawaii as below article DOES bar code matching to make sure there are NOT duplicate ballots... BUT does NOT match bar code with signature!

Bar Codes, Signatures And Fire-Safe Drop Boxes Help Secure Hawaii's All-Mail Election - Honolulu Civil Beat

Officials say they have a precise process in place and are following the lead of other states to ensure ballot security.

www.civilbeat.org

Just got my mail in ballot today.

There is a bar code on the return envelope

that barcode RW has nothing to do with the ballot....that is so the OCR letter sorter can read were its going to...

 

[Harry Dresden]

I get so frustrated that the MSM especially doesn't seem to make the distinction between "absentee voting" and "JUNK MAIL Voting"!
I've called it "JUNK MAIL voting" because "JUNK MAIL voting" is simple. The election offices simply MAIL ballots to the addresses they have on record.
YUP... KNOWING that nationally that 10.1% move each year that means for example 1 million addresses 100,000 people addressed HAVE moved.
So what happens to those 100,000 ballots?
NOW versus ABSENTEE balloting which REQUIRES the voter to REQUEST a ballot which is sent AFTER the election office VALIDATES the person requested is a legitimate citizen...i.e. using photo id or some other verification process including the signature on the request. THEN an absentee ballot is MAILED and the recipient completed the ballot... puts into an covering envelope and then puts into a provided mailing envelope THAT the voter SIGNS again. Once the absentee ballot received the outside signature checked against signature on file to verify the identity !

SO do all of you (INCLUDING the MSM!!!) NOW understand the distinction?
JUNK MAIL has no verification that the recipient is at the address...with 10% of Americans moving every year... millions of incorrect mail!
ABSENTEE ballot though are REQUESTED not JUNK MAILED!
Absentee ballot is signed and verified ...JUNK MAIL is NOT!

Understand the distinctions???

I get so frustrated because the Trump Cult continues to spread lies, disinformation and propaganda about mail-in voting.

All of the verifications you seek are contained in all mail-in ballots, whether the voter asked for the ballot or not. There's also a further verification you failed to mention. The identity of the voter signing the mail in ballot is CERTIFIED by a Notary Public, and that certification is affixed to the ballot.

9 states have been conducting voting by mail with ballots being mailed to everyone in the state for generations with no problems with fraud or difficulties certifying the vote. Mail in voting has been going on in the military since the country has had a standing military. It even happened during the Civil War.

The ONLY people in the country who says that mail-in voting is a problem is Trump and his staff. And that's because Trump knows he's losing. Trump has said "We have to get rid of the ballots". He is prepared to go the Supreme Court to overturn the election. He's called on the militias to defend him if he loses.

This is sedition against the Constitution of the United States. Shame on you!!!

Trump needs an excuse for why he loses.

Last time, it was 3 million illegal aliens voting.

Now, he has created a false conspiracy that mail in voting is fixed

NO it is NOT false because any logical rational human KNOWS that with 10% of Americans moving every year, and with states bulk Mailing JUNK MAIL ballots, there will be people who will sign the ballots fraudulently. And that with the gross increase due to JUNK MAIL ballots, there WILL be more ballots with fraudulent signatures NOT rejected. IT IS GUARANTEED!

You are a new resident. A mail in ballot for the previous resident arrives. So you open it up, fake his signature and mail it.

It arrives and the signature is compared to the one on file and is rejected. Rather than just throw it out, they contact you and ask you to verify your identity.

You have now subjected yourself to prosecution for ONE VOTE

that would be hard RW....all the person has to say is i dont know what you are talking about,i never got no ballot for that person.....we had a postal inspector who worked out of our office he said in order to prove an individual is committing fraud their mail would have to be monitored for a period of time....

If they wanted to prove a case, they can

Finger print, DNA where you licked the envelope

i dont think they will go that far for 1 ballot.....you might believe that but i am quite certain that they wont.....

 

[healthmyths]

I get so frustrated that the MSM especially doesn't seem to make the distinction between "absentee voting" and "JUNK MAIL Voting"!
I've called it "JUNK MAIL voting" because "JUNK MAIL voting" is simple. The election offices simply MAIL ballots to the addresses they have on record.
YUP... KNOWING that nationally that 10.1% move each year that means for example 1 million addresses 100,000 people addressed HAVE moved.
So what happens to those 100,000 ballots?
NOW versus ABSENTEE balloting which REQUIRES the voter to REQUEST a ballot which is sent AFTER the election office VALIDATES the person requested is a legitimate citizen...i.e. using photo id or some other verification process including the signature on the request. THEN an absentee ballot is MAILED and the recipient completed the ballot... puts into an covering envelope and then puts into a provided mailing envelope THAT the voter SIGNS again. Once the absentee ballot received the outside signature checked against signature on file to verify the identity !

SO do all of you (INCLUDING the MSM!!!) NOW understand the distinction?
JUNK MAIL has no verification that the recipient is at the address...with 10% of Americans moving every year... millions of incorrect mail!
ABSENTEE ballot though are REQUESTED not JUNK MAILED!
Absentee ballot is signed and verified ...JUNK MAIL is NOT!

Understand the distinctions???

I get so frustrated because the Trump Cult continues to spread lies, disinformation and propaganda about mail-in voting.

All of the verifications you seek are contained in all mail-in ballots, whether the voter asked for the ballot or not. There's also a further verification you failed to mention. The identity of the voter signing the mail in ballot is CERTIFIED by a Notary Public, and that certification is affixed to the ballot.

9 states have been conducting voting by mail with ballots being mailed to everyone in the state for generations with no problems with fraud or difficulties certifying the vote. Mail in voting has been going on in the military since the country has had a standing military. It even happened during the Civil War.

The ONLY people in the country who says that mail-in voting is a problem is Trump and his staff. And that's because Trump knows he's losing. Trump has said "We have to get rid of the ballots". He is prepared to go the Supreme Court to overturn the election. He's called on the militias to defend him if he loses.

This is sedition against the Constitution of the United States. Shame on you!!!

Trump needs an excuse for why he loses.

Last time, it was 3 million illegal aliens voting.

Now, he has created a false conspiracy that mail in voting is fixed

NO it is NOT false because any logical rational human KNOWS that with 10% of Americans moving every year, and with states bulk Mailing JUNK MAIL ballots, there will be people who will sign the ballots fraudulently. And that with the gross increase due to JUNK MAIL ballots, there WILL be more ballots with fraudulent signatures NOT rejected. IT IS GUARANTEED!

You are a new resident. A mail in ballot for the previous resident arrives. So you open it up, fake his signature and mail it.

It arrives and the signature is compared to the one on file and is rejected. Rather than just throw it out, they contact you and ask you to verify your identity.

You have now subjected yourself to prosecution for ONE VOTE

that would be hard RW....all the person has to say is i dont know what you are talking about,i never got no ballot for that person.....we had a postal inspector who worked out of our office he said in order to prove an individual is committing fraud their mail would have to be monitored for a period of time....

If they wanted to prove a case, they can

Finger print, DNA where you licked the envelope

AND that is TRUE... If they wanted to prove a case!
But given the projected 80 million mail in votes from the below article, do you think the election police will have time to go after 8 million addresses that are wrong (10% of Americans move each year) potentially fraudulent votes? The kind this vote harvester has been doing for 20 years!

But the political insider, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he fears prosecution, said fraud is more the rule than the exception. His dirty work has taken him through the weeds of municipal and federal elections in Paterson, Atlantic City, Camden, Newark, Hoboken and Hudson County and his fingerprints can be found in local legislative, mayoral and congressional races across the Garden State. Some of the biggest names and highest office holders in New Jersey have benefited from his tricks, according to campaign records The Post reviewed.
“An election that is swayed by 500 votes, 1,000 votes — it can make a difference,” the tipster said. “It could be enough to flip states.”
The whisteblower — whose identity, rap sheet and long history working as a consultant to various campaigns were confirmed by The Post — says he not only changed ballots himself over the years, but led teams of fraudsters and mentored at least 20 operatives in New Jersey, New York and Pennsylvania — a critical 2020 swing state.

Exclusive | Confessions of a voter fraud: I was a master at fixing mail-in ballots

A top Democratic operative says voter fraud, especially with mail-in ballots, is no myth. And he knows this because he’s been doing it, on a grand scale, for decades. Mail-in ballots have bec…

nypost.com

The organization's analysis said that if election turnout increases in accordance with predictions, about 80 million mail ballots would be sent to election offices this fall, a figure that is more than double the number of ballots that were returned four years ago.

75% of Americans can vote by mail in 2020, report says

As the COVID-19 pandemic spread across America, discussions about safety at polling places forced states to make mail voting more accessible.

www.foxnews.com

 

[healthmyths]

I get so frustrated that the MSM especially doesn't seem to make the distinction between "absentee voting" and "JUNK MAIL Voting"!
I've called it "JUNK MAIL voting" because "JUNK MAIL voting" is simple. The election offices simply MAIL ballots to the addresses they have on record.
YUP... KNOWING that nationally that 10.1% move each year that means for example 1 million addresses 100,000 people addressed HAVE moved.
So what happens to those 100,000 ballots?
NOW versus ABSENTEE balloting which REQUIRES the voter to REQUEST a ballot which is sent AFTER the election office VALIDATES the person requested is a legitimate citizen...i.e. using photo id or some other verification process including the signature on the request. THEN an absentee ballot is MAILED and the recipient completed the ballot... puts into an covering envelope and then puts into a provided mailing envelope THAT the voter SIGNS again. Once the absentee ballot received the outside signature checked against signature on file to verify the identity !

SO do all of you (INCLUDING the MSM!!!) NOW understand the distinction?
JUNK MAIL has no verification that the recipient is at the address...with 10% of Americans moving every year... millions of incorrect mail!
ABSENTEE ballot though are REQUESTED not JUNK MAILED!
Absentee ballot is signed and verified ...JUNK MAIL is NOT!

Understand the distinctions???

I get so frustrated because the Trump Cult continues to spread lies, disinformation and propaganda about mail-in voting.

All of the verifications you seek are contained in all mail-in ballots, whether the voter asked for the ballot or not. There's also a further verification you failed to mention. The identity of the voter signing the mail in ballot is CERTIFIED by a Notary Public, and that certification is affixed to the ballot.

9 states have been conducting voting by mail with ballots being mailed to everyone in the state for generations with no problems with fraud or difficulties certifying the vote. Mail in voting has been going on in the military since the country has had a standing military. It even happened during the Civil War.

The ONLY people in the country who says that mail-in voting is a problem is Trump and his staff. And that's because Trump knows he's losing. Trump has said "We have to get rid of the ballots". He is prepared to go the Supreme Court to overturn the election. He's called on the militias to defend him if he loses.

This is sedition against the Constitution of the United States. Shame on you!!!

Trump needs an excuse for why he loses.

Last time, it was 3 million illegal aliens voting.

Now, he has created a false conspiracy that mail in voting is fixed

NO it is NOT false because any logical rational human KNOWS that with 10% of Americans moving every year, and with states bulk Mailing JUNK MAIL ballots, there will be people who will sign the ballots fraudulently. And that with the gross increase due to JUNK MAIL ballots, there WILL be more ballots with fraudulent signatures NOT rejected. IT IS GUARANTEED!

Any logical, rational human KNOWS that Donald Trump is lying. How can these ballots be fraudulent when people sign the ballots and have them certified by a Notary Republic, after providing identification to the Notary, and then have their signatures are verified against their voter registraton application? The answer is, they can't. That is why mail-in voting with or without request, is in many ways less open to fraud, than in person voting.

You keep ignoring the certification of the Notary Public on mail in voting. You haven't once mentioned it in fact. Why do you leave out the certification of the Notary Public and the verification of the signature on every mail-in ballot against the voter registration signature, when you talk about this issue?

Trump Cult members lie, and lie and lie. They're about as honest as Donald Trump.

as far as i know only 7 states require notarization....

For the facts...

Table 14: How States Verify Voted Absentee/Mail Ballots

Summarizes methods states use to verify absentee/mail ballots, such as signature verification and having the absentee/mail ballot witnessed or notarized.

www.ncsl.org

 

[healthmyths]

I get so frustrated that the MSM especially doesn't seem to make the distinction between "absentee voting" and "JUNK MAIL Voting"!
I've called it "JUNK MAIL voting" because "JUNK MAIL voting" is simple. The election offices simply MAIL ballots to the addresses they have on record.
YUP... KNOWING that nationally that 10.1% move each year that means for example 1 million addresses 100,000 people addressed HAVE moved.
So what happens to those 100,000 ballots?
NOW versus ABSENTEE balloting which REQUIRES the voter to REQUEST a ballot which is sent AFTER the election office VALIDATES the person requested is a legitimate citizen...i.e. using photo id or some other verification process including the signature on the request. THEN an absentee ballot is MAILED and the recipient completed the ballot... puts into an covering envelope and then puts into a provided mailing envelope THAT the voter SIGNS again. Once the absentee ballot received the outside signature checked against signature on file to verify the identity !

SO do all of you (INCLUDING the MSM!!!) NOW understand the distinction?
JUNK MAIL has no verification that the recipient is at the address...with 10% of Americans moving every year... millions of incorrect mail!
ABSENTEE ballot though are REQUESTED not JUNK MAILED!
Absentee ballot is signed and verified ...JUNK MAIL is NOT!

Understand the distinctions???

I get so frustrated because the Trump Cult continues to spread lies, disinformation and propaganda about mail-in voting.

All of the verifications you seek are contained in all mail-in ballots, whether the voter asked for the ballot or not. There's also a further verification you failed to mention. The identity of the voter signing the mail in ballot is CERTIFIED by a Notary Public, and that certification is affixed to the ballot.

9 states have been conducting voting by mail with ballots being mailed to everyone in the state for generations with no problems with fraud or difficulties certifying the vote. Mail in voting has been going on in the military since the country has had a standing military. It even happened during the Civil War.

The ONLY people in the country who says that mail-in voting is a problem is Trump and his staff. And that's because Trump knows he's losing. Trump has said "We have to get rid of the ballots". He is prepared to go the Supreme Court to overturn the election. He's called on the militias to defend him if he loses.

This is sedition against the Constitution of the United States. Shame on you!!!

Trump needs an excuse for why he loses.

Last time, it was 3 million illegal aliens voting.

Now, he has created a false conspiracy that mail in voting is fixed

NO it is NOT false because any logical rational human KNOWS that with 10% of Americans moving every year, and with states bulk Mailing JUNK MAIL ballots, there will be people who will sign the ballots fraudulently. And that with the gross increase due to JUNK MAIL ballots, there WILL be more ballots with fraudulent signatures NOT rejected. IT IS GUARANTEED!

You are a new resident. A mail in ballot for the previous resident arrives. So you open it up, fake his signature and mail it.

It arrives and the signature is compared to the one on file and is rejected. Rather than just throw it out, they contact you and ask you to verify your identity.

You have now subjected yourself to prosecution for ONE VOTE

that would be hard RW....all the person has to say is i dont know what you are talking about,i never got no ballot for that person.....we had a postal inspector who worked out of our office he said in order to prove an individual is committing fraud their mail would have to be monitored for a period of time....

Either way, the fake ballot is rejected. Which means that voter fraud isn't an issue.

And that's assuming according to you EVERY ballot is thoroughly checked against the mail address.
But tell that to "a 20 year pro at ballot harvesting "i.e. a professional at doing what you think isn't an issue.

But the political insider, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he fears prosecution, said fraud is more the rule than the exception. His dirty work has taken him through the weeds of municipal and federal elections in Paterson, Atlantic City, Camden, Newark, Hoboken and Hudson County and his fingerprints can be found in local legislative, mayoral and congressional races across the Garden State. Some of the biggest names and highest office holders in New Jersey have benefited from his tricks, according to campaign records The Post reviewed.
“An election that is swayed by 500 votes, 1,000 votes — it can make a difference,” the tipster said. “It could be enough to flip states.”
The whisteblower — whose identity, rap sheet and long history working as a consultant to various campaigns were confirmed by The Post — says he not only changed ballots himself over the years, but led teams of fraudsters and mentored at least 20 operatives in New Jersey, New York and Pennsylvania — a critical 2020 swing state.

Exclusive | Confessions of a voter fraud: I was a master at fixing mail-in ballots

A top Democratic operative says voter fraud, especially with mail-in ballots, is no myth. And he knows this because he’s been doing it, on a grand scale, for decades. Mail-in ballots have bec…

nypost.com

 

[John T. Ford]

\You are a not very useful idiot. In many instances the ballots are returned even if the person has left a forwarding address.

You have absolutely no way of knowing that to be true or backing that bullshit statement up.

Another Delusional Leftist

Go Figure ......

 

[John T. Ford]

Still, a ballot can only be returned by the person whose name is on it. If the signature doesn’t match, the ballot is not counted.

More Delusional Leftist LIES !!!

 

[Seawytch]

Still, a ballot can only be returned by the person whose name is on it. If the signature doesn’t match, the ballot is not counted.

More Delusional Leftist LIES !!!

Prove it. I’m speaking from personal experience as a registrar of voters for over 15 years. Signatures on ballots are checked against voter registration. Signatures on rosters at Polling Places are not.

 

[Seawytch]

\You are a not very useful idiot. In many instances the ballots are returned even if the person has left a forwarding address.

You have absolutely no way of knowing that to be true or backing that bullshit statement up.

Another Delusional Leftist

Go Figure ......

What he said is true. Ballots are not forwarded and are returned to the registrar if the voter has moved.

 

[healthmyths]

Watch this whole thing backfire on the dems....there are way more Trump voters than Biden voters.....drop a ballot in their laps and they will vote.....

YOU ARE 100% correct! Millions of Trump voters who are too busy working (Thanks to Trump) to go to the polls WILL be voting for Trump!
Millions of voters that are called deplorables, uneducated, dumb... they will NOT have to be harassed by going to the polls. So you are 100% right!

 

[healthmyths]

Still, a ballot can only be returned by the person whose name is on it. If the signature doesn’t match, the ballot is not counted.

More Delusional Leftist LIES !!!

Prove it. I’m speaking from personal experience as a registrar of voters for over 15 years. Signatures on ballots are checked against voter registration. Signatures on rosters at Polling Places are not.

I believe your experience. I also KNOW that if projections are correct that a 40 to 50% increase in absentee voting occurs, there will be NO doubt an increase in forged signatures. And people like you will be exhausted in matching signatures. One fact you should agree with me is there will be MORE mail in ballots.

 

[healthmyths]

The ballots are the same whether you request them or not


THEY ARE THE SAME THING

LMAO @ the Stupid Shit Leftist believe .....

Folks you can't make this shit up.

They don't call 'em Useful Idiots for 'nuffin !!!!

They are EXACTLY the same.

they look the same.....but if the states register of voters does not keep up with their mailing lists,and not all of them do,then there could be problems.....

Same as with in person voting

Lot of people on the rolls who have moved
They just don’t vote

the fear is someone may take that ballot and send it in....so its not the same as in person....

You're right it's not. Signatures aren't checked at the polls, but they are if you vote by mail. Nobody can take your ballot and send it in...unless they are excellent forgers.

i am only talking about what i have seen in my years as a letter carrier.....if the registar of voters does their job and keeps their lists up to date,very little problems.....i used to have a route that had 8 apt complexes and the turnover was pretty high,and its kinda hard to keep up with all the name changes....and many people would move and leave no address....and there would be quite a few voter registration cards addressed to the apts with people i had never heard of,but the address was correct,i had to deliver those,if the person was there or not i did not know.....i would put a question mark on them and let the person who i know lived there give it back or do what ever.....many times they would leave it at the box with a "not here" written on it and they would be sent back "unknown" .....but many times i never got anything back....those are the ballots that the anti mailers are afraid of....

Thanks for your expertise in delivering mail. Appreciate your years of service.
The issue is magnified though by the shear volume of actual ballots being mailed out to the addresses the election office has on hand.
In the past most of the ballots that you delivered WERE requested, i.e. ABSENTEE Ballots where from my experience, I was asked to REQUEST an
absentee ballot, a form was sent to me and I completed the form and THEN I received the actual ballot.
JUNK MAIL balloting does NOT depend on a request. The election office sends all the voters on their rolls actual ballots and then the office compares
signatures with signatures on hand. With your experiences especially with 8 apt. complexes the turn over rate is probably higher than the 10% national average.

and also if the forms i got were from people who did not live there,who requested those?......when i was delivering i was told that renters in Apts move on the avg of every 2 years....and the amount of changes i got monthly i can believe that....

Appreciate you experience. The whole issue is NOT absentee ballots BUT JUNK MAIL where ballots are sent en masse to names on the roll.
With Population and Voting Rates for Congressional Districts: 2018 over 233 million supposedly registered
voters??? ... Just 10% having moved during the year or 23 million votes would be misaddressed.

you might call them junk mail but ballots whether they were requested or not,are sent first class,junk mail is the advertising 3rd class mail you get sent even if your name is on them...

"JUNK MAIL" is mail I didn't request. The same will be for the "JUNK MAIL ballot". I didn't request a ballot YET I get one and If I don't live there anymore,
where does that "JUNK MAIL ballot" end up?

thats your definition.....where does it end up?....it depends....if the carrier recognizes the name as a former tenant it gets returned to the sender,most of the time the registra does not care were they moved because you are supposed to re-register at your new address........if not known but the address is good, the carrier is supposed to attempt delivery,if the person who lives there does not know who that person is,the great majority of the time they give it back usually with a "not here" written on it then it gets returned to the sender with "attempted unknown" stamped on it.... if they dont give it back then either that is someone they know or they shit canned it or who knows....

Again I believe your personal experiences as a mail carrier is believable. The issue though and YOU'D have to agree, if there is a concerted effort to do
JUNK MAIL voting then more ballots will be involved yes in all the steps you outlined...and who will be doing that? It will change the vote count after many many days, maybe months! Look at the Bush/Gore 2000 election one state held up the whole process while examining the ballots!