Zone1 Even if you don't believe in God, It's better to be religious

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OMG. God just visited me and said I'm the new Messiah. He told me you should all bow down to me. I can't offer any proof but send me all your money.

No? Why are you rejecting GOD? Have faith in me like you ask me to have faith in you.

And you don't think these last few posts of yours proves you have a religion?

 

[pal]

What you said makes no sense. Say it again.

Nordic Gods are made up. Like I told my friend. There have been 10,000 religions in the last 10,000 years. He's an atheist too (and before I could finish my point he said NO I'M NOT) so you know he's just brainwashed and doesn't want to hear logic, reason or reality. He wants to talk about YOU GOT TO HAVE FAITH. Translation. Wishful thinking.

Anyways, I said "Listen to me for a second. There have been 10,000 religions in the last 10,000 years. You and I are both atheists about 9999 of those religions. YOU just believe one of them."

If you would never join another religion because yours is the only one true religion, well at least you know how I feel about yours. Just look at how you view Mormons, Muslims, Jews. Shit. Jews say Jesus wasn't the Messiah. Maybe I'm a Jew? I certainly agree with them on that.

I remember my old religion, Protestant, before I was brought to atheism. I don't know who led me to atheism, or as it's called today, politics.

I didn't defy Gods in the past, I defy Gods more today, though whisperers don't come close.

I will to figure out more.

Whisperers talk a lot, they say the wrong words they want, the wrong words to relatives so that at least fights can happen. Language knowledge that can be valued higher than significant.

You're Christian or Jew though political establish.

 

[X.Onasis]

OMG. God just visited me and said I'm the new Messiah. He told me you should all bow down to me. I can't offer any proof but send me all your money.

No? Why are you rejecting GOD? Have faith in me like you ask me to have faith in you.

Nice try, but you have to make your followers feel superior.

 

[sealybobo]

I remember my old religion, Protestant, before I was brought to atheism. I don't know who led me to atheism, or as it's called today, politics.

I didn't defy Gods in the past, I defy Gods more today, though whisperers don't come close.

I will to figure out more.

Whisperers talk a lot, they say the wrong words they want, the wrong words to relatives so that at least fights can happen. Language knowledge that can be valued higher than significant.

You're Christian or Jew though political establish.

I was already on my way to being a proud atheist when Neal Degras Tyson's Cosmos came out. Then I watched Carl Sagen Cosmos. Amazing stuff. Facts, logic, reason, science. That's what I love. Religion? I don't like religions very much. I know they do a lot of good but I see way too much harm that comes from it. One thing is it makes us stupid. Easily controlled. Easily manipulated.

Think about it. When you back them into a corner they say "you just have to have faith". In other words you have to throw out all the reasons why your brain knows it's not real. I believe people who believe in gods are like kids who believe in Santa. Not much different. We would laugh at an adult who believes in Santa but we believe some guy 2000 years ago walked on water and rose from the dead and his mother was knocked up by god. Okay, sure. And yet they PROUDLY say they believe this.

A lot of Christians don't even take any of it literally. They understand every allegory in the bible is just a story to send a message. Every unbelievable story. They say, "no, that's not a real story, the message is....."

Except 1 story they believe. Jesus rose from the dead after being dead 3 days. That they believe is a historical event that actually happened.

So no wonder our politicians, the rich, corporations, and churches control the masses.

Socrates days they had two choices.

A. Give the people democracy and science
B. Religion and Slavery

They went with B.

Being superstitious is how they control us. We are easily duped. Easily controlled. And these duped people tend to vote Republican.

 

[X.Onasis]

I was already on my way to being a proud atheist when Neal Degras Tyson's Cosmos came out. Then I watched Carl Sagen Cosmos. Amazing stuff. Facts, logic, reason, science. That's what I love. Religion? I don't like religions very much. I know they do a lot of good but I see way too much harm that comes from it. One thing is it makes us stupid. Easily controlled. Easily manipulated.

Think about it. When you back them into a corner they say "you just have to have faith". In other words you have to throw out all the reasons why your brain knows it's not real. I believe people who believe in gods are like kids who believe in Santa. Not much different. We would laugh at an adult who believes in Santa but we believe some guy 2000 years ago walked on water and rose from the dead and his mother was knocked up by god. Okay, sure. And yet they PROUDLY say they believe this.

A lot of Christians don't even take any of it literally. They understand every allegory in the bible is just a story to send a message. Every unbelievable story. They say, "no, that's not a real story, the message is....."

Except 1 story they believe. Jesus rose from the dead after being dead 3 days. That they believe is a historical event that actually happened.

So no wonder our politicians, the rich, corporations, and churches control the masses.

Socrates days they had two choices.

A. Give the people democracy and science
B. Religion and Slavery

They went with B.

Being superstitious is how they control us. We are easily duped. Easily controlled. And these duped people tend to vote Republican.

There's a lot of truth in that. What I see is a huge difference between "Western" religions and those that value what we call simple human decency and respect for nature.
Western religions are organizations of indoctrination for the sake of exclusivity and a feeling of superiority. That's the basis for the power of the hierarchy. The need to believe in a higher power, accept your flaws, and seek forgiveness will lead to believing in your own superior morals. That's what it looks like to me.

You question a son of God, the creator of us all, rising from the dead, yet those who don't question it can't imagine a time with no end or accept the beginning of that God. In all that endless expanse of time, God created man above all animals on earth for his own entertainment? Or as a test of entities to share the remainder of endless time? That seems as implausible as expecting simple "faith," a reasonable answer to these things being unknowable. Especially given the biased political assumptions of the "faithful," particularly the one who started this thread.

My knowledge of Christianity tells me that most who claim that faith accept far too much "sin" in their world and have lost sight of His message, and to whom Jesus spent his entire ministry pointing. It takes far too much righteous indignation to suggest that, perhaps, the Pope wouldn't be a liberal Democrat specifically, yet here we are.

 

[BreezeWood]

Our belief is that there is one God, and we do not reject him.

so big of you, only one and christians do not reject them ... in fact all in the heavens are equal no one is greater than another and that is not to say one may not reject another and have no consequences for making their choice.

there will not be there the so called religious liars as moses their false commandments and abraham's religion of apartheid and countless others written in the desert bibles used to persecute and victimize the innocent.

 

[Meriweather]

This is one of the common mistakes theists make. We say we don't believe their religion is real and they say "why are you rejecting god". Do you see the mistake they are making? God would have to be real and we would have to see him, and THEN reject him for that to be true. Who would do that? I would give him a big hug and say where you been big guy? I've been looking all over for you. My whole life. Listen, is this bible real? I freakin knew it!

As I've said hundreds of times: Seek and find God. Then read the Bible. It makes all the difference.

 

[Meriweather]

This is one of the common mistakes theists make. We say we don't believe their religion is real and they say "why are you rejecting god". Do you see the mistake they are making? God would have to be real and we would have to see him, and THEN reject him for that to be true. Who would do that? I would give him a big hug and say where you been big guy? I've been looking all over for you. My whole life. Listen, is this bible real? I freakin knew it!

As I've said hundreds of times: Seek and find God. Then read the Bible. It makes all the difference.

 

[BreezeWood]

Go be an atheist. Be happy.

what they told jesus at their trial -

while stealing what is left for themselves w/ their phony religions as the excuse for their crimes throughout the centuries.

 

[Meriweather]

OMG. God just visited me and said I'm the new Messiah. He told me you should all bow down to me. I can't offer any proof but send me all your money.

No? Why are you rejecting GOD? Have faith in me like you ask me to have faith in you.

Here's the difference: You want something from me versus God who offers himself to me.

 

[sealybobo]

There's a lot of truth in that. What I see is a huge difference between "Western" religions and those that value what we call simple human decency and respect for nature.
Western religions are organizations of indoctrination for the sake of exclusivity and a feeling of superiority. That's the basis for the power of the hierarchy. The need to believe in a higher power, accept your flaws, and seek forgiveness will lead to believing in your own superior morals. That's what it looks like to me.

You question a son of God, the creator of us all, rising from the dead, yet those who don't question it can't imagine a time with no end or accept the beginning of that God. In all that endless expanse of time, God created man above all animals on earth for his own entertainment? Or as a test of entities to share the remainder of endless time? That seems as implausible as expecting simple "faith," a reasonable answer to these things being unknowable. Especially given the biased political assumptions of the "faithful," particularly the one who started this thread.

My knowledge of Christianity tells me that most who claim that faith accept far too much "sin" in their world and have lost sight of His message, and to whom Jesus spent his entire ministry pointing. It takes far too much righteous indignation to suggest that, perhaps, the Pope wouldn't be a liberal Democrat specifically, yet here we are.

I think the guys in charge a long time ago decided that the masses needed religion. They were too uncivilized.

Some ancient alien theorists say the aliens gave us 10 basic commandments to civilize us. Before they pulled that trick off with the burning bush, we were a bunch of heathens.

Do you see what you just did? You said "You question a son of God, the creator of us all, rising from the dead"

I question the story men made up about the son of god. Now I know you are going to say they are one and the same but again, your religion has an answer for everything. But you just said I question the creator of us all rising from the dead. Huh? Are you trying to confuse me? Is that a tactic? Say what you mean. Do I question your story that God impregnated Mary and she gave birth to the son of god and when he was murdered he rose from the dead after being dead 3 days? Yes I do question that. So why did you slip that part in about "the creator of us all"? Is Jesus the creator of us all? Oh sorry, I'm confused. I forgot, they are one and the same. That makes total sense. LOL

The Pope voted in Republican primaries in 1992 and 2004. Dude, he's anti abortion.

 

[sealybobo]

Go be an atheist. Be happy.

Go be a theist and then defend ICE murdering that woman. Say you are a good person but come off as a real asshole. Who thinks he's going to heaven when he dies. What a hoot. It's people like you who make me realize god is all made up.

You and my buddy. OMG you should have heard him. Trying to use these brainwashing tactics on me the second I told him I didn't believe in god. I mean in rapid fire one bad reason I should believe after another. Go to hell? Better to be safe than sorry? Have faith? When I told him no proof he came back with what he thought was clever. "what do you see just before it goes dark?" I said "HUH?" He said when it goes from light to dark, just before it goes completely dark what do you see? I said I don't know what? He said "exactly. It's the unknown. But still you don't doubt it".

HUH? What an idiot. And of course he's a Republican.

 

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I think the guys in charge a long time ago decided that the masses needed religion. They were too uncivilized.

Some ancient alien theorists say the aliens gave us 10 basic commandments to civilize us. Before they pulled that trick off with the burning bush, we were a bunch of heathens.

Do you see what you just did? You said "You question a son of God, the creator of us all, rising from the dead"

I question the story men made up about the son of god. Now I know you are going to say they are one and the same but again, your religion has an answer for everything. But you just said I question the creator of us all rising from the dead. Huh? Are you trying to confuse me? Is that a tactic? Say what you mean. Do I question your story that God impregnated Mary and she gave birth to the son of god and when he was murdered he rose from the dead after being dead 3 days? Yes I do question that. So why did you slip that part in about "the creator of us all"? Is Jesus the creator of us all? Oh sorry, I'm confused. I forgot, they are one and the same. That makes total sense. LOL

The Pope voted in Republican primaries in 1992 and 2004. Dude, he's anti abortion.

You should spend some time in quiet each day. I think it will help you.

 

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Go be a theist and then defend ICE murdering that woman. Say you are a good person but come off as a real asshole. Who thinks he's going to heaven when he dies. What a hoot. It's people like you who make me realize god is all made up.

You and my buddy. OMG you should have heard him. Trying to use these brainwashing tactics on me the second I told him I didn't believe in god. I mean in rapid fire one bad reason I should believe after another. Go to hell? Better to be safe than sorry? Have faith? When I told him no proof he came back with what he thought was clever. "what do you see just before it goes dark?" I said "HUH?" He said when it goes from light to dark, just before it goes completely dark what do you see? I said I don't know what? He said "exactly. It's the unknown. But still you don't doubt it".

HUH? What an idiot. And of course he's a Republican.

You don't seem to be at peace.

 

[Hafar1014]

You should spend some time in quiet each day. I think it will help you.

Religion provides a structure of moral values. In most ceases its good. Then we have Islam

 

[X.Onasis]

I think the guys in charge a long time ago decided that the masses needed religion. They were too uncivilized.

Some ancient alien theorists say the aliens gave us 10 basic commandments to civilize us. Before they pulled that trick off with the burning bush, we were a bunch of heathens.

Do you see what you just did? You said "You question a son of God, the creator of us all, rising from the dead"

I question the story men made up about the son of god. Now I know you are going to say they are one and the same but again, your religion has an answer for everything. But you just said I question the creator of us all rising from the dead. Huh? Are you trying to confuse me? Is that a tactic? Say what you mean. Do I question your story that God impregnated Mary and she gave birth to the son of god and when he was murdered he rose from the dead after being dead 3 days? Yes I do question that. So why did you slip that part in about "the creator of us all"? Is Jesus the creator of us all? Oh sorry, I'm confused. I forgot, they are one and the same. That makes total sense. LOL

The Pope voted in Republican primaries in 1992 and 2004. Dude, he's anti abortion.

I said you question the son, rising from the dead, as you implied.
I also assume you also question the belief that God, who then is the creator of us all, is not the father of Jesus, that's all.
I mentioned that, to compare, why those who do believe can't understand or explain the concept of time immemorial and never-ending, and therefore cannot question the beginning of that same God.
He also was and always will be? How is that acceptable except to imply only "true faith" can answer it?
That's a conundrum they must accept as a test of faith, right? And yet that faith in "the one true God" is the basis for their own feeling of moral superiority, which I see as the basis and draw of organized religion.

But my further point is that many of those who profess true faith in "Jesus as their Lord and Savior" seem to have lost sight of His teachings, and "to whom he spent his entire ministry pointing." That appears rather un-Christian-like to me.
Capiche?
The abortion issue aside, George Conway also voted for trump ... Entirely irrelevant today.

 

[Hafar1014]

I said you question the son, rising from the dead, as you implied.
I also assume you also question the belief that God, who then is the creator of us all, is not the father of Jesus, that's all.
I mentioned that, to compare, why those who do believe can't understand or explain the concept of time immemorial and never-ending, and therefore cannot question the beginning of that same God.
He also was and always will be? How is that acceptable except to imply only "true faith" can answer it?
That's a conundrum they must accept as a test of faith, right? And yet that faith in "the one true God" is the basis for their own feeling of moral superiority, which I see as the basis and draw of organized religion.

But my further point is that many of those who profess true faith in "Jesus as their Lord and Savior" seem to have lost sight of His teachings, and "to whom he spent his entire ministry pointing." That appears rather un-Christian-like to me.
Capiche?
The abortion issue aside, George Conway also voted for trump ... Entirely irrelevant today.

I question a religion based on impossible events that make no sense and distorted the meaning of Genesis to support a god of punitive punishment and threats to force obedience

 

[BreezeWood]

Religion provides a structure of moral values. In most ceases its good. Then we have Islam

there is not a time in history the desert religions are not at the forefront to persecute and victimize the innocent ...

the very awfulness found in their scriptures that captivate their congregations have been their greatest appeal used for their nefarious purposes.

 

[Hafar1014]

there is not a time in history the desert religions are not at the forefront to persecute and victimize the innocent ...

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the very awfulness found in their scriptures that captivate their congregations have been their greatest appeal used for their nefarious purposes.

The NAZIs were secular

 

[BreezeWood]

The NAZIs were secular

hitler was voted into power as throughout history by one desert dwelling group or another -

Nazi Germany was an overwhelmingly Christian nation. A census in May 1939, six years into the Nazi era and a year following the annexations of Austria and Czechoslovakia into Germany, indicates that 54% of the population considered itself Protestant, 41% considered itself Catholic, 3.5% self-identified as Gottgläubig and 1.5% as "atheist".

by chance are you a present day maggot ... bible belt, desert dwelling congregation.