Even if Biden wins, it doesn’t matter.

[Daryl Hunt]

7 out of 10 oppose overturning Roe.

Hey, guess what?

the supreme court is not bound to obey your lying lib polls

 

[Mac-7]

7 out of 10 oppose overturning Roe.

Hey, guess what?

the supreme court is not bound to obey your lying lib polls

Your silly faces show that you cant dispute what I wrote

 

[Coyote]

7 out of 10 oppose overturning Roe.

Hey, guess what?

the supreme court is not bound to obey your lying lib polls

Hey...guess what. The mask finally came off eh? The will of the people is just a lie to you guys.

 

[Coyote]

Nice try.

7 out of 10 oppose overturning Roe.

Nice try for you too since you almost slipped that lying lib poll past me as fact

its only the unelected demigods on mt olympus who are keeping abortion afloat now

Left loons love polls, they're rarely right but they still love them

Funny. I see you lot using them all the time. What’s with that?

 

[Circe]

Everyone now knows [polls] are only used to manipulate. Everyone.

I do feel there are a surprisingly slow bunch of people out there. I put stats on RealClearPolitics on spreadsheets, I swear to God, during the summer of 2016, spent half an hour a week calculating the latest poll movements. I went into Election Night totally discouraged -- and about 10 PM thought of getting my husband up: something weird seemed to be happening! I've watched the whole leftist media coverage of Election Night TWICE now on Youtube --- world's best life theater.

But I've never been fool enough to look at RealClearPolitics again! Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me and all that. And whenever I come across the word "poll" in an article, I stop reading it at once. I think it's like the weather forecasters: pollsters can't tell the future anymore than the rest of us can, they're always wrong, but people want to know so badly that they'll pay for just any propaganda they can dress up nice. But it's all fake.

 

[Mac-7]

Hey...guess what. The mask finally came off eh? The will of the people is just a lie to you guys.

The unelected judges-for-life give, and they take away

 

[Mac-7]

Funny. I see you lot using them all the time.

Now you are making up stuff

 

[Andylusion]

What this election has told us, in multiple ways, is that our country has fundamentally changed and that breaks my heart.

The Republicans are entrenched. They are likely to retain control of the senate, added to their House, and retained state legislatures. They have the courts. They will control redistricting after the census and we can expect continued gerrymandering to further marginalize Democrat voting blocks, leading to more districts where a minority of the voters controls a majority of the seats. Not unique to Republicans, but increasingly utilized by them.

The Democrats have still, somehow missed the mark. Again. They can’t seem to get a message to the people that unifies. Maybe this is because Biden is not strong candidate, and Trump carries the power of the incumbency into the election. There are some bright spots, retaining seats in Texas, tight margins in some key red states.

If Trump wins, I see a further dismantling of our nation’s democratic infrastructure and a continued decline in our image and effectiveness abroad. I see complete politicization of our departments, from tiny VOA to DoJ, and entire civil service where personal loyalty is demanded over competency and professionalism. When Trump talks about reorganizing military leadership, is he attempting to politicize the military? I do not think this is hyperbole. We have been seeing this trend for four years, E.O. after E.O.

If Trump wins, and continues his assault on long established unwritten rules of behavior and social norms what will we see coming out of this? When society agrees to an unwritten set of norms and our leaders hold to it, our institutions function smoothly even with bumps and potholes. But when those potholes become so extreme they threaten the structure and people can no longer navigate, we are forced to create laws or rules we never thought would be needed. Example: media resorting to fact checking, because the volume of disinformation and political lies exceeds the ability of our society to handle, and it is coming from our leadership. I fear, if Trump is re-elected further attacks on truth, on facts, and on genuine journalism.

But Trump doesn’t need to win for this. It is already rolling down on us. If Biden wins, a huge segment of America voted for Trump. Huge! And that is dismaying and unsettling, to me, because I see this election as not about which candidate to elect, but as who we are as a country and who we want to be going forward.

If Biden wins, what, at best will happen? A rollback of EO’s? Competent people making decisions? Rebuilding the integrity and professionalism of our battered institutions: DoJ, State Department, EPA, CDC, VOA,....

If Trump wins, there is nothing to stop him from using his offfice to go after his “enemies“, every person who has ever criticized, spoken up, or gone against him and firing those who won’t do it. I think this, coming from the top of our leadership, is an existential crisis. If Biden wins....maybe the Republicans can create a better party, without Trump.

I read, somewhere, that an alarming number of people no longer feel democratic principles are so important, and that a strong (authoritarian) leader might even be preferred to the messiness and uncertainties of democratic systems. I'm trying to find links to this, because I wonder if it plays into sentiments driving our country today.

Trump won 2016 by very narrow margins. 2020 will be the same, who ever wins. Will the people win?

Oh good night.... Marginalizing black voters is a myth. Funny how people claim Trump was wrong about voter fraud because there is no evidence, even though there is... and then claim marginalizing blacks is real, even though there is no evidence of it.

Further, gerrymandering is controlled by the state, not the house or Senate. Republicans could hold all 100 seats in the Senate, and still have democrats controlling redistricting in each state.

Moreover, there are only about 5 states that actually have a significant advantage in gerrymandering.

Of the five states with any significant gerrymandering, New York is almost entirely Democrats, as is Michigan, and Texas and North Coralina is almost entirely Republican, only Pennsylvania is a potential swing state really.

This does not destroy the entire Union, and quite frankly, if the citizens of those states wanted to end gerrymandering in their state, they could vote for people in their state to fix that. It's not a big deal, because it isn't a big deal.

They can’t seem to get a message to the people that unifies.

Well of course not.... that's that whole platform of democrats. Left-wing ideology is an "us vs them" ideology. That's the whole core of the Democrat party. It's a divisive ideology at it's core.

That *IS* their party platform. 47% of the public are Deplorables. The rich verses the poor. The white verses the black. The straight verse the gay.

That's their entire platform is this group is good, and that group is bad. Of course the Democrats can't get a unifying message, because that is completely contrary to everything they support.

Example: media resorting to fact checking, because the volume of disinformation and political lies exceeds the ability of our society to handle, and it is coming from our leadership. I fear, if Trump is re-elected further attacks on truth, on facts, and on genuine journalism.

But the media was lying. The media lied about the Russian collusion. The media lied about Bret Kavanough. The media lied about Jussie Smollett. The media lied about Trump separating families at the boarder, even posting pictures from 2014, and blaming Trump.

Yeah, the Media resorted to 'fact-checkers' in order to lie, that Trump's claims were false, when they were not.

Trump was right most of the time. The fact-checkers, were the ones who were lying.

If Trump wins, there is nothing to stop him from using his offfice to go after his “enemies“, every person who has ever criticized, spoken up, or gone against him and firing those who won’t do it.

First off, if you work for someone.... then that's his right to fire you. This is universally true. If you hire me to roof your house, and I start telling your neighbors that you are terrible person... would you fire me? Yes you would. And there is nothing wrong with that.

Second... Please list the times where Trump has used his political office to corruptly go after 'enemies'? Obama used the IRS to attack 503C groups like the Tea Party. Name something comparable that Trump did?

I read, somewhere, that an alarming number of people no longer feel democratic principles are so important, and that a strong (authoritarian) leader might even be preferred to the messiness and uncertainties of democratic systems.

Well yes... we see that on this forum even now. The first thing that Democrats have been screaming that we 'must do', is Biden must enact a nation wide mask mandate.

That's ironic, because for 4 years they have been screaming that Trump was a dictator.

Now they are demanding that Biden be a dictator. That's the Democrats. That's left-wingers. That's what they really want. There is no power in the constitution that allows the President to enact a nation wide mask mandate. They don't care.

And that's simply how it is with left-wing ideology. They have no problem with a dictator at all.... provided it's THEIR dictator.

Kind of funny... because I have the lame hobby of watching Japanese Anime, and I've been watching one called "The Irregular at Magic High School".

The entire first part of the story, is about how there are people with low skills being treated unequally to those with high skills, in the school system.

In comes a group that preaches equality and fairness, and they convince a bunch of students to join their cause. In the end, they end up finding out the group never intended to have equality, but only to replace those in power with themselves.

I remember thinking, they should just label that entire terrorist organization "Democrats".

 

[Daryl Hunt]

7 out of 10 oppose overturning Roe.

Hey, guess what?

the supreme court is not bound to obey your lying lib polls

Your silly faces show that you cant dispute what I wrote

Just get in the Elevator. And, yes, it was me. You honestly believe that they are going to rule in favor of the one that shall remain nameless no matter how insane his demands are? Sorry, bucko, doesn't work that way. Uhoh, now that the doors are closed, I feel another one coming one.

 

[Zorro!]

What this election has told us, in multiple ways, is that our country has fundamentally changed and that breaks my heart.

The Republicans are entrenched. They are likely to retain control of the senate, added to their House, and retained state legislatures. They have the courts. They will control redistricting after the census and we can expect continued gerrymandering to further marginalize Democrat voting blocks, leading to more districts where a minority of the voters controls a majority of the seats. Not unique to Republicans, but increasingly utilized by them...

Fake News. The most partisan districts are Democrat, drawn by Democrats.

Cook Partisan Voting Index - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

... The Democrats have still, somehow missed the mark. Again. They can’t seem to get a message to the people that unifies...

The nation desires constitutional liberal democracy, not a socialist autocracy. Hell, even the CA propositions reflected this, even while Trump was being rejected, the outcome for the CA propositions was a very conservative outcome. Maybe you should quit talking and start listening to what The People are saying.

As for the drawing of Congressional districts. The GOP is likely to net 7 new seats (and ECV) because folks are voting with their feet, moving from Blue States to Red States. Once again, maybe you folks should be listening rather than lamenting the Voice of The People.

And as for the Congressional maps, it's a trade off between number of competitive seats and safety of those seats. The GOP has NO R+34 seats, the Dems have 17 D+34 seats. GOP maps have fewer districts that are nothing more than beauty contests. After the 2010 election, the GOP controlled a lot of the map drawing and the result was 3 GOP Congresses and 2 Dem Congresses, 3 and 2 is as evenly as you can split five.

When Trump talks about reorganizing military leadership, is he attempting to politicize the military? I do not think this is hyperbole. We have been seeing this trend for four years, E.O. after E.O.

Bold claim, but no examples.

... If Trump wins, and continues his assault on long established unwritten rules of behavior and social norms what will we see coming out of this? ...

I'd be satisfied with the Deep State discontinuing the spying on political opponents and trying to drive winners from office when they don't agree with the decision of The Electorate.

... media resorting to fact checking, because the volume of disinformation and political lies exceeds the ability of our society to handle, and it is coming from our leadership...

Our "Fact Checkers" are lying partisan hacks. Fact-Check rated Obama's lie of the year as "true" for years and fact-checked anyone who pointed out the obvious, that it was a bald-faced lie.

... I fear, if Trump is re-elected further attacks on truth, on facts, and on genuine journalism...

The answer to inaccurate information is MORE freedom to voice and publish, not censorship.

THE GRIFTERS: Tax filings reveal Biden cancer charity spent millions on salaries, zero on research.

A cancer charity started by Joe Biden gave out no money to research, and spent most of its contributions on staff salaries, federal filings show.

The Biden Cancer Initiative was founded in 2017 by the former vice president and his wife Jill Biden to “develop and drive implementation of solutions to accelerate progress in cancer prevention, detection, diagnosis, research and care and to reduce disparities in cancer outcomes,” according to its IRS mission statement. But it gave out no grants in its first two years, and spent millions on the salaries of former Washington DC aides it hired.

The charity took in $4,809,619 in contributions in fiscal years 2017 and 2018, and spent $3,070,301 on payroll in those two years. The group’s president, Gregory Simon, raked in $429,850 in fiscal 2018 (July 1, 2018 to June 30, 2019), according to the charity’s most recent federal tax filings.

Simon, a former Pfizer executive and longtime health care lobbyist who headed up the White House’s cancer task force in the Obama administration, saw his salary nearly double from the $224,539 he made in fiscal 2017, tax filings show.

Danielle Carnival, former chief of staff for Obama’s cancer initiative, the Cancer Moonshot Task Force, who took home $258,207 in 2018.

The charity spent $56,738 on conferences and $59,356 on travel that year. The following year, the travel expenditure swelled to $97,149, and the non-profit spent $742,953 on conferences, tax filings show.

This an election that went the way you desired and all you got was a thieving grifter hack who has been in office, getting rich, for 20% of the nation's existence. What the hell is he going to change? The current system of graft has been very good to him and his family.

 

[Mac-7]

Just get in the Elevator. And, yes, it was me. You honestly believe that they are going to rule in favor of the one that shall remain nameless no matter how insane his demands are? Sorry, bucko, doesn't work that way. Uhoh, now that the doors are closed, I feel another one coming one.

I dont know where you found those words they were not worth whatever you paid for them

maybe you should stick to silly faces

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Just get in the Elevator. And, yes, it was me. You honestly believe that they are going to rule in favor of the one that shall remain nameless no matter how insane his demands are? Sorry, bucko, doesn't work that way. Uhoh, now that the doors are closed, I feel another one coming one.

I dont know where you found those words they were not worth whatever you paid for them

maybe you should stick to silly faces

 

[Mac-7]

Just get in the Elevator. And, yes, it was me. You honestly believe that they are going to rule in favor of the one that shall remain nameless no matter how insane his demands are? Sorry, bucko, doesn't work that way. Uhoh, now that the doors are closed, I feel another one coming one.

I dont know where you found those words they were not worth whatever you paid for them

maybe you should stick to silly faces

Better

cartoons is more your style

 

[P@triot]

This too shall pass. watch.

That’s what you people said in 2010. In 2012. In 2014. And in 2016.

It’s been all downhill since Barack Obama. He ushered in the era of embracing extremism for the left. Call men “women” and allow them to watch 5 year old little girls shower at the public pool. Call everything and everyone “racist”. Burn down American cities. Demand police be “defunded”. Insist that the lower class pay for the college education of the upper class. Allow abortions up to AND after the moment of birth. Just pure bat-shit crazy insanity. The Republican Party and the American people thank you.

 

[candycorn]

This too shall pass. watch.

That’s what you people said in 2010. In 2012. In 2014. And in 2016.

It’s been all downhill since Barack Obama. He ushered in the era of embracing extremism for the left. Call men “women” and allow them to watch 5 year old little girls shower at the public pool. Call everything and everyone “racist”. Burn down American cities. Demand police be “defunded”. Insist that the lower class pay for the college education of the upper class. Allow abortions up to AND after the moment of birth. Just pure bat-shit crazy insanity. The Republican Party and the American people thank you.

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Uh huh...

Winners don't bitch about election fraud.

 

[P@triot]

It was definitely a successful election for the Republican Party. Which means more liberty and more prosperity for the American people.

‘Experts’ Listed 27 House Races As Toss-Ups. Republicans Won All 27 | The Daily Wire

www.dailywire.com

 

[P@triot]

Uh huh...Winners don't bitch about election fraud.

Honest people bitch about election fraud. Dishonest people fight against voter ID and other forms of ensuring clean elections.

 

[candycorn]

Uh huh...Winners don't bitch about election fraud.

Honest people bitch about election fraud. Dishonest people fight against voter ID and other forms of ensuring clean elections.

LOL....

You're not sounding like a winner...more like a whiner. Why isn't his court challenges going anywhere?

 

[jbrownson0831]

Uh huh...Winners don't bitch about election fraud.

Honest people bitch about election fraud. Dishonest people fight against voter ID and other forms of ensuring clean elections.

LOL....

You're not sounding like a winner...more like a whiner. Why isn't his court challenges going anywhere?

Hahahahahaha whiner calling us whiners....well perhaps the place they are "going" is the Supreme Court once they clear all the libber judges.

 

[candycorn]

Uh huh...Winners don't bitch about election fraud.

Honest people bitch about election fraud. Dishonest people fight against voter ID and other forms of ensuring clean elections.

LOL....

You're not sounding like a winner...more like a whiner. Why isn't his court challenges going anywhere?

Hahahahahaha whiner calling us whiners....well perhaps the place they are "going" is the Supreme Court once they clear all the libber judges.

You're under the impression that the Supreme Court hears election fraud cases? Wow....you're not only a whiner, you're incredibly ignorant about the legal system.