rylah
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Let’s look at what you say about the Hassid. You are upset and angry at any criticism towards them, even if legitimate. Every group has it’s positives and negatives and every group has good people and bad people. The problem is people tend to try to define them by their bad people when convenient or to push an agenda. Pointing out a reality, that there are some problems with Hassid is not saying they are bad, it is being honest.
Gender segregation. We are highly critical of it in Muslim communities. But we can’t be critical of it in Hasidic communities? Even though it does cause tensions and inequality? It doesn’t mean they are bad people, or that They aren’t also warm and generous. Palestinian Muslims also segregated women in worship, and are very unequal in their treatment of women. They also have a reputation for warm and generous hospitality. But that doesn’t mean we can’t be critical about their treatment of women and also recognize there are many good people in that community as well.
Well this is common tactic among the Jew haters,
to first slander, conflate and deflect when lacking evidence and caught red handed showing their bold lying, then to call it "valid criticism" and pose as 'silenced victims' redirecting all the blame on the target of their slander.
Your response was to my statement regarding segregation in public transport, which was to post news articles about 2 exceptional court cases dealing with public transport in a period spanning a decade, which ruled against gender segregation, and conflate them with a case of a concert organized by and for the Orthodox community, where men and women would've been segregated, eventually closed because neither the artists could perform nor their audience could visit the concert, after a Feminist organization petitioned to deny them these conditions.
None of that proves there's segregation in public transport. And instead of confirming that, which is evident for anyone with 2 brain sells who can read, You've proceeded to suggesting it was otherwise, in spite of Your own proof showing the opposite, and conflating it with the situation of women in Muslim societies.
Now put that aside, my position is at least consistent - I don't see anything wrong with when either Muslims or Jews, or anyone else segregate during worship. It seems most natural to me, because I realize the practical and spiritual reasons for it, and why this should be respected, as much as I don't think I should force anyone else to practice the same.
For me pluralism is extended not only to people of my peer group, but to those who think otherwise as well, like Feminists and Progressives, who unfortunately seem to think, and behave as if it's a tool to force everyone else without exceptions to abide by their standards.
But hey, You can call me primitive, though I just think I've reached a certain point of maturity, where I'm confident enough in my beliefs and my ability to argue for their validity, not to abuse others for merely thinking and preferring to live otherwise.