Entire fire company shuttered because they wouldn't address member's Proud Boys connection

[bodecea]

There was nothing racist about his actions. The only complaint listed what an reference to what the SPLC claims about the rhetoric of the Proud Boys.


Liberals are petty tyrants. Vicious petty tyrants who want people to live in fear and conform to their ever change bullshit rules.

Don't forget that the "Proud Boys" are not only racist, they are also involved in hatred of the female sex. The "Proud Boys" are a hate group opposing one-half of the world's population.

So if charge #1 is not true, mysogyny works. The reason I don 't believe "Proud Boys" hate women is because most of them are married to one and consequently, love their wife who also probably feels the same way about her husband also.

Don't confuse protective of women with avoids females who will bash them over the head with her umbrella if one of them holds the door for her.

Most Proud Boys are married and treat their wives decently? Prove that please.

 

[bodecea]

There was nothing racist about his actions. The only complaint listed what an reference to what the SPLC claims about the rhetoric of the Proud Boys.


Liberals are petty tyrants. Vicious petty tyrants who want people to live in fear and conform to their ever change bullshit rules.

Don't forget that the "Proud Boys" are not only racist, they are also involved in hatred of the female sex. The "Proud Boys" are a hate group opposing one-half of the world's population.

Actually, they are pretty much the opposite of all of that.


See, people like you, invent made up shit, and then judge people like me, as though your lies were true.


You are assholes like that.

Namecalling.

 

[beautress]

including the gentleman of controversy who immediately after his visit decided not to join any group of this nature.

From my understanding of what I read he made multiple visits as well as socialising with them. Not to mention passing two rites of initiation. I don't think that's 'visit'.

Sorry, I guess I read what the man and his fellow firefighters said. Their version does not jive with your version. I'm casting my lot in with the firefighters and people's lives and homes they saved in that little community over years of time.

Someone is exaggerating, however. I guess the truth is out there somewhere. But I hope the firefighters win. I love firefighters! They saved half a dozen businesses and a movie theater in a town I used to live in. One of the small shops was fixing his roof by melting tar up on top to seal his roof, when a fire broke above his businesses and two doors down from mine.

I owe my business to a fireman named Shorty who against orders, stayed near the hottest part and kept chopping until he killed the fire with whatever firemen have at their disposal to get at the hottest area of the fire 20 minutes after the fire starts. All the small businesses on the block were separated by papered chalk walls. That tar was no picnic to extinguish. Shorty lost all his eyebrows down to his eyelashes. But nobody could stop him or pull him back, and he wiped out that fire's core. Shorty was back at work the next day. He didn't take pity from anyone. I bless the entire fire department for keeping their men fit at the recreation center 3 days a week and winning national Firefighter Olympics 4 out of 5 years in the nation back then. Last I heard, they're still working out in the weight room there.

Not all fires have a happy ending. Firefighting has real risks. Here's the latest stats I could find on America's Firefighters (2017)
Eighty-seven firefighters (48 volunteer, 33 career and 6 wildland agency) died while on duty in 2017.

• Fifty firefighters died from heart attacks.
• Activities related to emergency incidents resulted in the deaths of 40 firefighters.
• Eighteen firefighters died after the conclusion of their on-duty activities.
• Seventeen firefighters died while engaging in activities at the scene of a fire.
• Twelve firefighters died while they were engaged in training activities.
• Twelve firefighters died during emergency duties not related to fire.
• Eleven firefighters died while responding to or returning from emergency incidents.

Link to PDF Files here: Firefighter fatalities in the United States

Firefighters are very brave, brave folks. They mean so much to our communities. I just don't see how a community could throw them over on account of stupid politics.

 

[Correll]

There was nothing racist about his actions. The only complaint listed what an reference to what the SPLC claims about the rhetoric of the Proud Boys.


Liberals are petty tyrants. Vicious petty tyrants who want people to live in fear and conform to their ever change bullshit rules.

So, he wasn't proud to be a proud boy.

He was never a Proud Boy. He had look into their club and didn’t join. For the town to lose a whole fire department because of one person’s thought seems ridiculous.

Not only that, it shows a lack of respect for the first responder's putting his life on the line to save the property of all-to-often careless people who smoke in bed, seniors who forget they are cooking, and while retiring to the tv room, the kitchen ignites due to hot vegetables or fat finally igniting to sputter heat that brings flame to a stack of folded napkins or stacked-up mail the senior can't remember to discard or file, either.

What idiotic lollipops would disrespect any firefighter symbolizes how trashy TDS can be when extremists use America's finest as a whipping post to beat up on all conservatives whom they have marginalized in a thousand different ways already, so they think nobody's watching the ungracious things that they do. Nothing is more insidious than the footshoot that hammering first responders over the petty error of managerial gutter-thinking that leads to community destruction.

And, the worst part is, this is working.


The FIre Department is not coming back. And the idiots in charge of the township will not face any repercussions for their insanely irresponsible and abusive actions.


People lives have been fucked up, for the sole reasons of not conforming to liberal views. An example have been made.


Everyone in that community is on notice. Dare to be different, and the local government will wage war on you.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Wow..this is going too far..IMO...had he actually committed a crime..or was rank with his racism..maybe--but just for association..is wrong.

"A Pennsylvania fire company was shuttered by town officials Wednesday after officials at the company refused to address that one of their volunteer firefighters was affiliated with the extremist group the Proud Boys.
Officials in Haverford Township, in Delaware County, were informed on Aug. 12 that a volunteer with the Bon Air Fire Company was affiliated with "an organization described as an extremist group," the township's manager David Burman wrote in a statement released Thursday.
The township immediately launched an investigation into the allegations, which included an interview with the volunteer, who admitted he was involved with the Proud Boys, Burman said. The volunteer revealed he had attended social gatherings hosted by the group and had passed two of four of the group's initiation steps "which includes hazing."
Burman's statement quoted the group's "self-proclaimed basic tenet," posted on their website that they are "Western chauvinists who refuse to apologize for creating the modern world." The proclamation belongs to the Proud Boys, who "are known for anti-Muslim and misogynistic rhetoric," according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which designates them as a hate group. Women and transgender men are not allowed in the group.
While the volunteer "indicated that he had attempted to distance himself from the group in recent months" Burman and a police official met with Bon Air Fire Company officials on Aug. 14 to address "the seriousness of this matter and urged the fire company to address it."
Burman said he was informed the next day that the volunteer had offered his resignation, but the Bon Air Fire Company chief refused to accept it. A week later, Burman said he received an email that said the fire company's board had "found no basis for terminating the volunteer's membership."
"The email included no indication that the fire company would take any action whatsoever," Burman's statement said. "The Bon Air Fire Company's failure to address this matter conflicts with the public policy of Haverford Township, which includes ensuring that all persons are treated fairly and equally, and that all persons enjoy the full benefits of citizenship.
As of Thursday night, the Bon Air Fire Company was "relieved of duty indefinitely," Burman announced.
Four other area fire companies will service the residents of Bon Air. The nearest company is within half a mile from Bon Air's station, and the other three are within two and a half miles.
A statement from the Bon Air Fire Company said the township stripped the station of its equipment and trucks.
The statement said the company had investigated the volunteer's involvement with the "outside organization" and found he had " limited interactions" with the group that he ultimately decided not to join.
"He never attended any rallies or protests and he disassociated himself from the group more than one year ago," the statement said.
The volunteer was not identified in the statements from the company or the township.
The six-year volunteer veteran, who was recently honored by Bon Air Fire Company "has always acted as a caring person dedicated to serving his community" and "in his actions as a firefighter, the volunteer has not acted in any way which suggests his behavior would be influenced by this organization," the statement said. "For these reasons, the Fire Company decided not to terminate the services of the volunteer."
The statement, authored by two attorneys, lamented the closure of the station, and said the township was depriving the community of 37 firefighters and three firetrucks during emergencies. About 800 of Haverford Township's fewer than 50,000 residents live in Bon Air.
The statement from the fire company urged residents to "please let their commissioners know that the Township is wrong to close the Bon Air Fire Company.""

….just more left wing hate mongering, they are harmless people

 

[Correll]

There was nothing racist about his actions.

At the least they are self admitted Western supremacists. Therefore members or sympathisers will consider non westerners to be inferior. A council can't have the appearance of members of its service organisations discriminating among their clients.
....

The fact that one of the firefighters was considering joining an organization that believes that the "West is the Best"


does not "appear" that that means that there will be any discrimination from the fire department over how they serve the community.


Your excuse for this violation of the rights of the firefighter (and his fellows) of their right to speech and assembly, is


absurd.



Also, still not even close to the actual definition of racism, you fool.

 

[Correll]

There was nothing racist about his actions.

At the least they are self admitted Western supremacists. Therefore members or sympathisers will consider non westerners to be inferior. One can't have the appearance of members of a service organisation discriminating among their clients.

Though these are our central tenets, all that is required to become a Proud Boy is that a man declare he is “a Western chauvinist who refuses to apologize for creating the modern world.” We do not discriminate based upon race or sexual orientation/preference. We are not an “ism”, “ist”, or “phobic” that fits the Left’s narrative. We truly believe that the West Is The Best and welcome those who believe in the same tenets as us. We have an international reach, with members spanning the globe. If you have any questions or would like get in contact with your local chapter, feel free to contact us directly via our staff page. This, after all, the one and only Proud Boy Magazine. For Proud Boys, by Proud Boys. UHURU!
Proud Boys: Who Are They? – Proud Boy Magazine​

The man being criticized should be receiving a commendation from his detractors for not falling for a group they disapproved of. He elected instead, to focus on his job obligations, not the extremist group he didn't know much about until he attended a meeting and declined from joining as a consequence of what he learned about their activities. Groupthink can decimate political decision-making, and this controversy should never have occurred. The people in power screwed up. They ought to have realized the man saw for himself the group had nothing to offer him or his community on a long-term basis. To make a long story short, he took their side before they landed on him like ugly on an ape. What I wonder is why did they use a quire resolved year-old item to humiliate a wonderful group of men serving them loyally.

The township does not have the right to "DISAPPROVE" of his personal activities, of who he does or does not associate with.

 

[OldLady]

There was nothing racist about his actions.

At the least they are self admitted Western supremacists. Therefore members or sympathisers will consider non westerners to be inferior. One can't have the appearance of members of a service organisation discriminating among their clients.

Though these are our central tenets, all that is required to become a Proud Boy is that a man declare he is “a Western chauvinist who refuses to apologize for creating the modern world.” We do not discriminate based upon race or sexual orientation/preference. We are not an “ism”, “ist”, or “phobic” that fits the Left’s narrative. We truly believe that the West Is The Best and welcome those who believe in the same tenets as us. We have an international reach, with members spanning the globe. If you have any questions or would like get in contact with your local chapter, feel free to contact us directly via our staff page. This, after all, the one and only Proud Boy Magazine. For Proud Boys, by Proud Boys. UHURU!
Proud Boys: Who Are They? – Proud Boy Magazine​

The man being criticized should be receiving a commendation from his detractors for not falling for a group they disapproved of. He elected instead, to focus on his job obligations, not the extremist group he didn't know much about until he attended a meeting and declined from joining as a consequence of what he learned about their activities. Groupthink can decimate political decision-making, and this controversy should never have occurred. The people in power screwed up. They ought to have realized the man saw for himself the group had nothing to offer him or his community on a long-term basis. To make a long story short, he took their side before they landed on him like ugly on an ape. What I wonder is why did they use a quire resolved year-old item to humiliate a wonderful group of men serving them loyally.

The township does not have the right to "DISAPPROVE" of his personal activities, of who he does or does not associate with.

the extremist group he didn't know much about until he attended a meeting and declined from joining as a consequence of what he learned about their activities.
The article said he had been initiated to Level II. He didn't do all that in one meeting where he decided he didn't "like" them. Quit trying to grant the guy sainthood. If he decided they were too violent in their beliefs (see their October 12 celebration of the Japanese socialist who was assassinated by a Nationalist) good on him, though. Maybe he just doesn't like beer that much.

 

[Papageorgio]

There was nothing racist about his actions.

At the least they are self admitted Western supremacists. Therefore members or sympathisers will consider non westerners to be inferior. One can't have the appearance of members of a service organisation discriminating among their clients.

Though these are our central tenets, all that is required to become a Proud Boy is that a man declare he is “a Western chauvinist who refuses to apologize for creating the modern world.” We do not discriminate based upon race or sexual orientation/preference. We are not an “ism”, “ist”, or “phobic” that fits the Left’s narrative. We truly believe that the West Is The Best and welcome those who believe in the same tenets as us. We have an international reach, with members spanning the globe. If you have any questions or would like get in contact with your local chapter, feel free to contact us directly via our staff page. This, after all, the one and only Proud Boy Magazine. For Proud Boys, by Proud Boys. UHURU!
Proud Boys: Who Are They? – Proud Boy Magazine​

The man being criticized should be receiving a commendation from his detractors for not falling for a group they disapproved of. He elected instead, to focus on his job obligations, not the extremist group he didn't know much about until he attended a meeting and declined from joining as a consequence of what he learned about their activities. Groupthink can decimate political decision-making, and this controversy should never have occurred. The people in power screwed up. They ought to have realized the man saw for himself the group had nothing to offer him or his community on a long-term basis. To make a long story short, he took their side before they landed on him like ugly on an ape. What I wonder is why did they use a quire resolved year-old item to humiliate a wonderful group of men serving them loyally.

The township does not have the right to "DISAPPROVE" of his personal activities, of who he does or does not associate with.

the extremist group he didn't know much about until he attended a meeting and declined from joining as a consequence of what he learned about their activities.
The article said he had been initiated to Level II. He didn't do all that in one meeting where he decided he didn't "like" them. Quit trying to grant the guy sainthood. If he decided they were too violent in their beliefs (see their October 12 celebration of the Japanese socialist who was assassinated by a Nationalist) good on him, though. Maybe he just doesn't like beer that much.

The issue is does a government agency have the right to suppress your free speech and the right to associate? If we allow this township to dictate who we associate with, what does that mean down the road? What if a Republican mayor decides that any member of the police force that all Democrats must be fired? Giving a little, little by little is a dangerous road and to allow the government to make our decisions for us gives us no freedom.

 

[Jitss617]

There was nothing racist about his actions.

At the least they are self admitted Western supremacists. Therefore members or sympathisers will consider non westerners to be inferior. One can't have the appearance of members of a service organisation discriminating among their clients.

Though these are our central tenets, all that is required to become a Proud Boy is that a man declare he is “a Western chauvinist who refuses to apologize for creating the modern world.” We do not discriminate based upon race or sexual orientation/preference. We are not an “ism”, “ist”, or “phobic” that fits the Left’s narrative. We truly believe that the West Is The Best and welcome those who believe in the same tenets as us. We have an international reach, with members spanning the globe. If you have any questions or would like get in contact with your local chapter, feel free to contact us directly via our staff page. This, after all, the one and only Proud Boy Magazine. For Proud Boys, by Proud Boys. UHURU!
Proud Boys: Who Are They? – Proud Boy Magazine​

The man being criticized should be receiving a commendation from his detractors for not falling for a group they disapproved of. He elected instead, to focus on his job obligations, not the extremist group he didn't know much about until he attended a meeting and declined from joining as a consequence of what he learned about their activities. Groupthink can decimate political decision-making, and this controversy should never have occurred. The people in power screwed up. They ought to have realized the man saw for himself the group had nothing to offer him or his community on a long-term basis. To make a long story short, he took their side before they landed on him like ugly on an ape. What I wonder is why did they use a quire resolved year-old item to humiliate a wonderful group of men serving them loyally.

The township does not have the right to "DISAPPROVE" of his personal activities, of who he does or does not associate with.

the extremist group he didn't know much about until he attended a meeting and declined from joining as a consequence of what he learned about their activities.
The article said he had been initiated to Level II. He didn't do all that in one meeting where he decided he didn't "like" them. Quit trying to grant the guy sainthood. If he decided they were too violent in their beliefs (see their October 12 celebration of the Japanese socialist who was assassinated by a Nationalist) good on him, though. Maybe he just doesn't like beer that much.

Extremist? Protecting free speech is Extreme?

 

[Correll]

You make up shit. Why should anyone pay any attention to the shit you just make up?


In the real world, the Proud Boys have a traditional Western respect for women, far better than the modern liberal.

As in barefoot and in the kitchen.

You make up shit. Why should anyone pay any attention to the shit you just make up?


In the real world, the Proud Boys have a traditional Western respect for women, far better than the modern liberal.

I wouldn't call barefoot in kitchen and pregnant a sign of respect.

See one difference here, is that what I said, to base my position on, is actually TRUE.


Your position is based on made up shit.


The second difference is that my goal is that people be allowed to live their lives, with the freedom to associate and speak.


YOur goal is that people live in conformity, without the right to freedom of speech or assembly, because if they anger the liberal assholes, like you, their lives will be destroyed by either government power, or mob actions.



I am a good person, wishing well to my fellow man, respecting their rights.


You are a vile and evil want a be tyrant, restrained from oppressing your fellow man, only by the limits of your own power.



What is so wrong with you, that you get off on ruining the lives of people who have never done you any harm, you craven little worm?


Even to the point of SHUTTING DOWN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OVER YOUR MEANINGLESS LIES?

You are defending a group that exists to take "Mob action." They are mob. You should not defend them.

You remind me of a discussion I had on a history site many years ago.



I was talking to a liberal poster, about the America of the 1950s, and he said, that to him a multiracial person, he could not see a difference between the Americans of the 50s, and Nazis.


I pointed out that the Americans of the 50s, were mostly, the same Americans that ACTUALLY defeated the Nazis.


I was shocked.


I pointed that a hypothetical him, if he was in war torn WWII Europe and he has a choice between a road taking him to Allied occupied territory and another taking him to Nazi occupied territory,


that what should have been a safe easy choice, for him, because of his blindness, would become a 50/50 shot with his life in the balance.



But, I really undersold it.


Because it is worse than that.


A modern liberal, cannot tell the difference between a fascist and those that fight against fascists.



You see two people fighting, and dont' care that one is fighting to shut down Free Speech and the other to save it.


Hell, you dont' care that one attacked the other, and the other is defending himself.



You go by what one side, that are obviously lying, tell you.

 

[Correll]

There was nothing racist about his actions. The only complaint listed what an reference to what the SPLC claims about the rhetoric of the Proud Boys.


Liberals are petty tyrants. Vicious petty tyrants who want people to live in fear and conform to their ever change bullshit rules.

Don't forget that the "Proud Boys" are not only racist, they are also involved in hatred of the female sex. The "Proud Boys" are a hate group opposing one-half of the world's population.

Actually, they are pretty much the opposite of all of that.


See, people like you, invent made up shit, and then judge people like me, as though your lies were true.


You are assholes like that.

Namecalling.

I described the behavior that supported my conclusion.


YOu hold to a mistake about my position from months ago, that I long ago clarified to you.

 

[Correll]

There was nothing racist about his actions.

At the least they are self admitted Western supremacists. Therefore members or sympathisers will consider non westerners to be inferior. One can't have the appearance of members of a service organisation discriminating among their clients.

Though these are our central tenets, all that is required to become a Proud Boy is that a man declare he is “a Western chauvinist who refuses to apologize for creating the modern world.” We do not discriminate based upon race or sexual orientation/preference. We are not an “ism”, “ist”, or “phobic” that fits the Left’s narrative. We truly believe that the West Is The Best and welcome those who believe in the same tenets as us. We have an international reach, with members spanning the globe. If you have any questions or would like get in contact with your local chapter, feel free to contact us directly via our staff page. This, after all, the one and only Proud Boy Magazine. For Proud Boys, by Proud Boys. UHURU!
Proud Boys: Who Are They? – Proud Boy Magazine​

The man being criticized should be receiving a commendation from his detractors for not falling for a group they disapproved of. He elected instead, to focus on his job obligations, not the extremist group he didn't know much about until he attended a meeting and declined from joining as a consequence of what he learned about their activities. Groupthink can decimate political decision-making, and this controversy should never have occurred. The people in power screwed up. They ought to have realized the man saw for himself the group had nothing to offer him or his community on a long-term basis. To make a long story short, he took their side before they landed on him like ugly on an ape. What I wonder is why did they use a quire resolved year-old item to humiliate a wonderful group of men serving them loyally.

The township does not have the right to "DISAPPROVE" of his personal activities, of who he does or does not associate with.

the extremist group he didn't know much about until he attended a meeting and declined from joining as a consequence of what he learned about their activities.
The article said he had been initiated to Level II. He didn't do all that in one meeting where he decided he didn't "like" them. Quit trying to grant the guy sainthood. If he decided they were too violent in their beliefs (see their October 12 celebration of the Japanese socialist who was assassinated by a Nationalist) good on him, though. Maybe he just doesn't like beer that much.

It is unclear from the article why he decided to not join, or quit.


How would you feel, if he quit because of fear of retaliation from local politicians, harming him and his friends?