Ray From Cleveland
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I’ll believe what is clearly true because of what he said.
“My belief is I don't know if the election was stolen or not. Before I take a stance on anything, I have to see irrefutable evidence of something.”
We both find your evidence underwhelming and unconvincing.
What part of that are you having a hard time with? I know it’s hard to believe, but sometimes even me and Ray can agree on something.
No, not really. What I said is that I'm actually in the middle. I don't know the election was stolen and I don't know that it wasn't. That's not taking sides with anybody. What I do know is that nobody will allow a total investigation into these matters and that's why we'll never find out anything. States get to call the shots unless a judge steps in to force them to look into these claims which doesn't happen because courts don't like getting involved in elections at all unless there was a violation of law or constitutional issues.
My other problem is even if they found something total nefarious, nobody will reverse an election after a winner is declared and certified, so I don't waste my time reading all the stories about them. My position is that unless such evidence is found, we have to assume American voters became completely stupid or the elections are rigged.
The stance I do take however is we need to remove all technology from our voting process, and have hand count ballots only, and mail-in restricted to only those that can't vote in person because of age, medical or military reasons.