Energy growth outpaces energy use

[Old Rocks]

It is a shame that renewables are a product of the oil industry.

Without oil, no more solar or wind

With only wind and solar power there is no energy to fuel the oil industry which build solar and wind

More dumbfuckery from the usual source. So we get silicon, steel, aluminum, and copper from oil wells. LOL

 

[Old Rocks]

Reneables cant run the industry to manufacture renewabmes

The only thing that has increased is renewable propaganda

The world's future is nuclear

LOL That would be a very expensive future as electricity from nuclear power is the most expensive electricity. Not only that, electrons don't care what makes them, they just power whatever is needed whether the source is fossil fuels or renewables. In fact, at least one steel mill runs almost entirely on solar;

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[Hafar1014]

The link is right there in the bottom left, MSN

That was a global report, you might actually try reading the whole article before presenting yourself as a fool.

Renewable energy cant meet the demand of AI and the future. Never will until the sun shines at night. You dont need a link for that

 

[Old Rocks]

This thread is a perfect example of the left acting as if what they want to be true really is true when the facts are the opposite. Renewable energy cant meet demand. Any idiot can see why. No sun at night and the wind stops. Add back up the cost goes up. Buy surplus energy the cost goes up. Wind turbines fall apart after 10 years. Not long enough to pay for the costs.

Really funny post. All lies or nonsense. You are a perfect example of right wing ignorant flap yappers. As renewables continue to increase in efficiency and decrease in price, they will displace fossil fuels simply because of economics. They cost less to install, cost less to operate, and require far less maintenance.
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[Old Rocks]

Renewable energy cant meet the demand of AI and the future. Never will until the sun shines at night. You dont need a link for that

Energy demand at night is significantly less than that of daytime use. Also, there are many ways of storing energy coming online as we post. The batteries are getting less costly every day, pumped hydro is being built in many areas, and there are other ways also being built. You might try to keep up with the technology.

There is also a time factor. Nuclear, gas, and coal require years to build a generator before it comes online. Right now, GE is eight years behind it orders for turbines. Wind and solar can be built out in less than a year, for much less money per Megawatt.

Lazard​

Lazard's Levelized Cost of Energy+ (LCOE+) report provides a comprehensive analysis of energy generation technologies, including renewables, gas, and battery storage. The report highlights the following key findings:

• Renewables remain competitive: On an unsubsidized basis, renewable energy is the most cost-competitive form of new-build generation.
  
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• Gas generation increasing competitiveness: The gap between the LCOE of new wind and solar and the marginal cost of operating combined cycle gas turbines (CCGTs) has widened due to low gas prices and high energy demand.
  
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• Battery storage cost decline: Utility-scale and C&I battery energy storage systems have seen notable declines in their LCOEs, driven by market dynamics and technological advancements.
  
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• Energy storage tariffs increase uncertainty: The increasing cost of tariffs on energy storage systems presents uncertainty for the industry.
  
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  These findings underscore the importance of diversifying energy portfolios and investing in innovative technologies to meet the growing power demands and ensure grid reliability. Lazard's LCOE+ report serves as a valuable resource for industry stakeholders, policymakers, and investors to make informed decisions in the evolving energy landscape.
  
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[elektra]

LOL That would be a very expensive future as electricity from nuclear power is the most expensive electricity.

You are a real stupid fool

How much have we spent on solar
Old crock has never told us cause old crock ain't smart enough

 

[elektra]

AI Overview

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The $300 trillion figure likely refers to the estimated total investment needed globally to achieve the green transition by 2050, not the current value of the green economy itself. Reports from the World Economic Forum and BloombergNEF suggest that achieving net-zero emissions by 2050 will require investments in the range of $100 to $300 trillion, a nece

 

[Hafar1014]

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The $300 trillion figure likely refers to the estimated total investment needed globally to achieve the green transition by 2050, not the current value of the green economy itself. Reports from the World Economic Forum and BloombergNEF suggest that achieving net-zero emissions by 2050 will require investments in the range of $100 to $300 trillion, a nece

There never will be a green anergy transition. Demand of AI is greater then any green energy can supply. Building it will create an energy shortage catastrophe. America has stopped subsidies and is building nuclear and fossil fuel power.

 

[elektra]

There never will be a green anergy transition. Demand of AI is greater then any green energy can supply. Building it will create an energy shortage catastrophe. America has stopped subsidies and is building nuclear and fossil fuel power.

The entire world has shifted gears and is going nuclear

Except Australia, they are busy dumping trillions into their failure.

Just $1 trillion more and they will figure it out

The democrat investment firm blackrock lost well over a trillion dollars of investments in green energy

 

[elektra]

More dumbfuckery from the usual source. So we get silicon, steel, aluminum, and copper from oil wells. LOL

Yes, you are right, everything you listed is a chemical.

To turn chemicals into products we can use it all starts with chemicals that come from refineries.

Silicon specifically is a product that comes from an industrial chemical plant.

Yes, when you must use a refinery and it's products to produce something we can state that product came from a refinery.

 

[elektra]

Silly ass, 400 Terra watts is not a minor amount of electricity. Of course you know that and are just flapping your gums telling lies like usual.

Worldwide, solar and wind energy generation has significantly increased, with solar generation growing by 31% and wind generation increasing by 7.7% in the first half of 2024. This growth has outpaced electricity demand, and for the first time, renewable energies combined generated more power than coal, with total renewable energy generation exceeding 400 terawatt hours.
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In terms of share, approximately one-seventh of the world's primary energy comes from renewable technologies, which include solar and wind. However, specific figures for the total amount of electricity produced by these sources are not provided in the available data.
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You have not shown that solar and wind produce 400 twh

Theoretically 400 twh of installed solar panels and wind power, that is not how much electricity they produce.

At best less than 40 twh of electricity is delivered, at random times.

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[Concerned American]

The link is right there in the bottom left, MSN

That was a global report, you might actually try reading the whole article before presenting yourself as a fool.

I didn't disingenuously post a generic statement that energy growth has outstripped use, fool.

 

[Woodznutz]

Catastrophe averted then? good to know, you can move on with the rest of us now.

We can ramp up reproduction as well now that we can feed billions more people.

 

[Woodznutz]

Energy demand at night is significantly less than that of daytime use. Also, there are many ways of storing energy coming online as we post. The batteries are getting less costly every day, pumped hydro is being built in many areas, and there are other ways also being built. You might try to keep up with the technology.

There is also a time factor. Nuclear, gas, and coal require years to build a generator before it comes online. Right now, GE is eight years behind it orders for turbines. Wind and solar can be built out in less than a year, for much less money per Megawatt.

Lazard​

Lazard's Levelized Cost of Energy+ (LCOE+) report provides a comprehensive analysis of energy generation technologies, including renewables, gas, and battery storage. The report highlights the following key findings:

• Renewables remain competitive: On an unsubsidized basis, renewable energy is the most cost-competitive form of new-build generation.
  
  1
• Gas generation increasing competitiveness: The gap between the LCOE of new wind and solar and the marginal cost of operating combined cycle gas turbines (CCGTs) has widened due to low gas prices and high energy demand.
  
  1
• Battery storage cost decline: Utility-scale and C&I battery energy storage systems have seen notable declines in their LCOEs, driven by market dynamics and technological advancements.
  
  1
• Energy storage tariffs increase uncertainty: The increasing cost of tariffs on energy storage systems presents uncertainty for the industry.
  
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  These findings underscore the importance of diversifying energy portfolios and investing in innovative technologies to meet the growing power demands and ensure grid reliability. Lazard's LCOE+ report serves as a valuable resource for industry stakeholders, policymakers, and investors to make informed decisions in the evolving energy landscape.
  
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A.I. needs will gobble up all extra energy in time. Enjoy the surplus while you can.

 

[Old Rocks]

There never will be a green anergy transition. Demand of AI is greater then any green energy can supply. Building it will create an energy shortage catastrophe. America has stopped subsidies and is building nuclear and fossil fuel power.

Gotta love it when you fools make absolutely nonsensical statements. And the following is in spite of the fact that the Trumpanzees are doing all they can to stop solar;

Solar​

Solar electricity is poised to dominate America's energy expansion in 2025, with developers planning to add 33 gigawatts (GW) of solar photovoltaic capacity, representing more than half of the 64 GW of new generating capacity planned for the year. This surge positions solar as the leading technology in the nation’s ongoing energy transition, according to the latest data from the US Energy Information Administration (EIA). The planned 64 GW of total new capacity additions for 2025 would surpass the previous record set in 2002, when developers added 58 GW to the grid – though that earlier milestone was achieved almost entirely through natural gas installations (57 GW). This contrast highlights how dramatically the energy landscape has evolved over the past two decades, with renewable technologies and energy storage now leading the expansion of capacity.

SEIA

 

[Old Rocks]

A.I. needs will gobble up all extra energy in time. Enjoy the surplus while you can.

If you order a turbine for a nuke or fossil fuel plant from GE, it will take 8 years before they can even start on your turbine. But they can put in a wind or solar farm in a year. And wind and solar emit no poisons, nor do they melt down or create dangerous waste products that no one wants to store.

 

[Hafar1014]

Gotta love it when you fools make absolutely nonsensical statements. And the following is in spite of the fact that the Trumpanzees are doing all they can to stop solar;

Solar​

Solar electricity is poised to dominate America's energy expansion in 2025, with developers planning to add 33 gigawatts (GW) of solar photovoltaic capacity, representing more than half of the 64 GW of new generating capacity planned for the year. This surge positions solar as the leading technology in the nation’s ongoing energy transition, according to the latest data from the US Energy Information Administration (EIA). The planned 64 GW of total new capacity additions for 2025 would surpass the previous record set in 2002, when developers added 58 GW to the grid – though that earlier milestone was achieved almost entirely through natural gas installations (57 GW). This contrast highlights how dramatically the energy landscape has evolved over the past two decades, with renewable technologies and energy storage now leading the expansion of capacity.
SEIA

Renewables are no longer subsidized and America will use fossil fuels and nuclear power as its main source of energy. Solar power doesnt work at night and drops when it gets cloudy. That means we need an alternate source. That drives up the cost. In addition solar cant meet the demand of AI. That will lead to an energy shortage catastrophe that will shut down the economy for months. Trump has wisely stopped d=supporting all renewable energy.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Thanks to rapid growth in renewables for most of the world, energy growth has exceeded energy use. Because of the rapid deployment of renewables in India and China, both nations saw a decline in emissions.
"Worldwide solar and wind power generation has outpaced electricity demand this year, and for the first time on record, renewable energies combined generated more power than coal, according to a new analysis.

Global solar generation grew by a record 31% in the first half of the year, while wind generation grew by 7.7%, according to the report by the energy think tank Ember, which was released after midnight Tuesday London time. Solar and wind generation combined grew by more than 400 terawatt hours, which was more than overall global demand increased in the same period, it found.

In the first six months of the year, China added more solar and wind than the rest of the world combined, and its fossil fuel generation fell by 2%, the report said.

India saw record solar and wind growth that outpaced the growth in demand. India's fossil fuel generation also dropped.

In both nations, emissions fell."

MSN

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Baloney.

 

[Hafar1014]

System owners clear about $50,000 per acre after costs each year, which exceeds crop income. Land renters receive about $1,100 per acre with zero startup expenses. Water preservation is equally substantial."

Baloney.

Dont forget to include the tax subsidies without tax payer support it dies. If taxes are needed that means it isnt viable financially. IN any case it cant meet the demand of AI so renewables are dead in America.

 

[Sunsettommy]

Renewables are no longer subsidized and America will use fossil fuels and nuclear power as its main source of energy. Solar power doesnt work at night and drops when it gets cloudy. That means we need an alternate source. That drives up the cost. In addition solar cant meet the demand of AI. That will lead to an energy shortage catastrophe that will shut down the economy for months. Trump has wisely stopped d=supporting all renewable energy.

The world largest Solar plant closed down recently never meeting it goals as it was an abject failure.

Muahahahahahahahahahaha!!!