Endless Palestinian Demands

[Roudy]

Maybe you should work with the other psychopath and figure out which biological weapon can eliminate these pesky people that are so inherently bad they don't deserve to live.

Strange how a psychopath calls Aris a psychopath when Aris knows so much more than this boiler room gal/guy. However, I am sure all the other psychopaths in the boiler room would agree with this gal/guy.

Do you know what the term psychopath means? I think not. When you propose to murder or otherwise eliminate millions of people through the use of biological weapons or propose that millions of people continue to be oppressed because they do not meet one's expectations in terms of contributions to culture, society, science etc. That's a psychopath.

Being an evenhanded observer of a conflict that would like to see an equitable resolution to a long standing conflict, is not psychopathic.

IslamoNazi worshipper considers himself an even handed observer. Ha ha ha.

 

[aris2chat]

Palestine?
Independent state? Culture? Unique contribution to religion? Library of literature? Contribution to knowledge, science, medicine, building, math? Language? Law? Discovery or exploration? Economy or trade?
Not every country, district or sanjuk have a right to statehood. What of the slavery and oppression they inflict on their own kind or what they have done to their hosts and neighbors in the last 50 yrs? The cost to the world to absorb them, especially in the much of the muslim world would have been far less than the cost of wars and global charity to keep them as they are or perpetuate hope for their "demands". They should be contributing to society instead of draining it.
They did not have to leave, they could have taken settlement for lost property, they could have even had a state years ago if they had been willing to make some compromise.
The oppression they suffer is of arab making or their own. When Israel took control of gaza and WB the lot of the palestinians not in refugee camps improved considerably. Jordan and Egypt did little for them. Jordan tried to make them citizens so they could better provide for them, but palestinians attack them.
They won't even renounce violence or recognize Israel's right to exist. What have they don't to deserve the right to their own state? More than half of the called palestinians at the end of the mandate had been immigrated to the mandate and required only to have been there for two years. Most of those who were there pre-mandate were not registered land owns or tax payers. They worked the land for other people. They did no mandatory military service. They did not even recognize themselves as "palestinians" but as arab or syrian.
The mandate was made of many sanjuks, it was not a separate region with it's own government or sub-government. It had no supportable economy. Until the mandate it was under populated and under developed.
Jordan became an arab state. The UN offered the rest of the arabs their own state alongside Israel, but they refused. What gives them more right to their own state than a group like the Kurds?
What gives them more rights than dozens of tribes that had language, historical and cultural distinctions that were part of the Ottoman empire when it fell?
What makes the "palestinians" unique enough to independence and not just arabs that could be part of any nations in the region? Most were not born in the mandate or less than one or two generations from immigrants to the mandate. When were they ever a unique singular group of distinct people before the mandate?
What are they willing to do or give up in a peace agreement to have their own state? How are they going to support a state, and their people, if they had one?
Why do they deserve the right to stand before the UN as their own state? What contribution to the world will they make?

Maybe you should work with the other psychopath and figure out which biological weapon can eliminate these pesky people that are so inherently bad they don't deserve to live.

I spent a lot of time in the camps and years trying to help and represent the palestinians. I also got to learn truths they did not want told. Very nearly killed three times. Forced to leave to protect my family.
I don't advocate their extermination, never have. I won't support the lies and endless demands without giving up the violence and hate against Israel, jews and anyone that believes Israel has a right to exist. I've seen and experienced what both sides can do. I know what it is to be scared physically and emotionally by war.
I am not armchair quarterbacking about something I am not very familiar with. Close to fifty years I've been actively involved in event in the middle east, though now it is via my computer and through my contact there.
I doubt you or many others have been as involved. Spouting palestinian propaganda and lies is not really helping them, it just perpetuates the hate and destruction. It prolongs the suffering in the region.
I grew up in the military. I understand war. I've seen too much of it. I have always tried to work towards peace.

 

[Phoenall]

I only post facts and back them up with links to neutral sites. I never lie, you on the other hand do nothing but parrot propaganda. I did not "supposedly" quote the United States Department of State, I quoted it directly and provided a link to their site. For your information, the United State Department of State is equivalent to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in other countries. And, if you find the facts that I post "funny" then you are more of a simpleton than your prose leads me to believe.

Ha ha ha. That was funny and delusional. Actually, FYI the entire board considers you a terrorist worshiper and false propagandist. With exception of other terrorist ass kissers like yourself that is. Your futile agenda is quite transparent and entertaining at the same time.

You spend hours and hours posting worthless pro Islamist propaganda and demonizing Jews and Israel. Do you really think anybody is falling for your idiotic lie that the Christian world is concerned about "Jewish oppression and persecution of Christians"? Or perhaps it's intolerant, violent, terroristic, Muslims who have zero respect for other religions and the sanctity of life?

I don't know what planet you live on, but it's not Earth. But it doesn't surprise me that you are so disconnected with reality, most Pali terrorist supporters are.

Have you thought about getting some professional help?

Have you ?

 

[Phoenall]

Palestine?
Independent state? Culture? Unique contribution to religion? Library of literature? Contribution to knowledge, science, medicine, building, math? Language? Law? Discovery or exploration? Economy or trade?
Not every country, district or sanjuk have a right to statehood. What of the slavery and oppression they inflict on their own kind or what they have done to their hosts and neighbors in the last 50 yrs? The cost to the world to absorb them, especially in the much of the muslim world would have been far less than the cost of wars and global charity to keep them as they are or perpetuate hope for their "demands". They should be contributing to society instead of draining it.
They did not have to leave, they could have taken settlement for lost property, they could have even had a state years ago if they had been willing to make some compromise.
The oppression they suffer is of arab making or their own. When Israel took control of gaza and WB the lot of the palestinians not in refugee camps improved considerably. Jordan and Egypt did little for them. Jordan tried to make them citizens so they could better provide for them, but palestinians attack them.
They won't even renounce violence or recognize Israel's right to exist. What have they don't to deserve the right to their own state? More than half of the called palestinians at the end of the mandate had been immigrated to the mandate and required only to have been there for two years. Most of those who were there pre-mandate were not registered land owns or tax payers. They worked the land for other people. They did no mandatory military service. They did not even recognize themselves as "palestinians" but as arab or syrian.
The mandate was made of many sanjuks, it was not a separate region with it's own government or sub-government. It had no supportable economy. Until the mandate it was under populated and under developed.
Jordan became an arab state. The UN offered the rest of the arabs their own state alongside Israel, but they refused. What gives them more right to their own state than a group like the Kurds?
What gives them more rights than dozens of tribes that had language, historical and cultural distinctions that were part of the Ottoman empire when it fell?
What makes the "palestinians" unique enough to independence and not just arabs that could be part of any nations in the region? Most were not born in the mandate or less than one or two generations from immigrants to the mandate. When were they ever a unique singular group of distinct people before the mandate?
What are they willing to do or give up in a peace agreement to have their own state? How are they going to support a state, and their people, if they had one?
Why do they deserve the right to stand before the UN as their own state? What contribution to the world will they make?

Maybe you should work with the other psychopath and figure out which biological weapon can eliminate these pesky people that are so inherently bad they don't deserve to live.

They don't while they are mass murdering children which is a crime against humanity

 

[Phoenall]

Maybe you should work with the other psychopath and figure out which biological weapon can eliminate these pesky people that are so inherently bad they don't deserve to live.

Strange how a psychopath calls Aris a psychopath when Aris knows so much more than this boiler room gal/guy. However, I am sure all the other psychopaths in the boiler room would agree with this gal/guy.

Do you know what the term psychopath means? I think not. When you propose to murder or otherwise eliminate millions of people through the use of biological weapons or propose that millions of people continue to be oppressed because they do not meet one's expectations in terms of contributions to culture, society, science etc. That's a psychopath.

Being an evenhanded observer of a conflict that would like to see an equitable resolution to a long standing conflict, is not psychopathic.

And that defines the muslims of the world perfectly. If you were even handed then you would calling on the muslims to stop all belligerence and terrorism and sit down and talk mutually agreed borders.

 

[montelatici]

Strange how a psychopath calls Aris a psychopath when Aris knows so much more than this boiler room gal/guy. However, I am sure all the other psychopaths in the boiler room would agree with this gal/guy.

Do you know what the term psychopath means? I think not. When you propose to murder or otherwise eliminate millions of people through the use of biological weapons or propose that millions of people continue to be oppressed because they do not meet one's expectations in terms of contributions to culture, society, science etc. That's a psychopath.

Being an evenhanded observer of a conflict that would like to see an equitable resolution to a long standing conflict, is not psychopathic.

And that defines the muslims of the world perfectly. If you were even handed then you would calling on the muslims to stop all belligerence and terrorism and sit down and talk mutually agreed borders.

While I don't believe a two state solution is possible, I would strongly recommend that the Palestinian Muslims and Christians adopt a non-violent and peaceful approach and just wait it out.

 

[Sally]

Palestine?
Independent state? Culture? Unique contribution to religion? Library of literature? Contribution to knowledge, science, medicine, building, math? Language? Law? Discovery or exploration? Economy or trade?
Not every country, district or sanjuk have a right to statehood. What of the slavery and oppression they inflict on their own kind or what they have done to their hosts and neighbors in the last 50 yrs? The cost to the world to absorb them, especially in the much of the muslim world would have been far less than the cost of wars and global charity to keep them as they are or perpetuate hope for their "demands". They should be contributing to society instead of draining it.
They did not have to leave, they could have taken settlement for lost property, they could have even had a state years ago if they had been willing to make some compromise.
The oppression they suffer is of arab making or their own. When Israel took control of gaza and WB the lot of the palestinians not in refugee camps improved considerably. Jordan and Egypt did little for them. Jordan tried to make them citizens so they could better provide for them, but palestinians attack them.
They won't even renounce violence or recognize Israel's right to exist. What have they don't to deserve the right to their own state? More than half of the called palestinians at the end of the mandate had been immigrated to the mandate and required only to have been there for two years. Most of those who were there pre-mandate were not registered land owns or tax payers. They worked the land for other people. They did no mandatory military service. They did not even recognize themselves as "palestinians" but as arab or syrian.
The mandate was made of many sanjuks, it was not a separate region with it's own government or sub-government. It had no supportable economy. Until the mandate it was under populated and under developed.
Jordan became an arab state. The UN offered the rest of the arabs their own state alongside Israel, but they refused. What gives them more right to their own state than a group like the Kurds?
What gives them more rights than dozens of tribes that had language, historical and cultural distinctions that were part of the Ottoman empire when it fell?
What makes the "palestinians" unique enough to independence and not just arabs that could be part of any nations in the region? Most were not born in the mandate or less than one or two generations from immigrants to the mandate. When were they ever a unique singular group of distinct people before the mandate?
What are they willing to do or give up in a peace agreement to have their own state? How are they going to support a state, and their people, if they had one?
Why do they deserve the right to stand before the UN as their own state? What contribution to the world will they make?

Maybe you should work with the other psychopath and figure out which biological weapon can eliminate these pesky people that are so inherently bad they don't deserve to live.

I spent a lot of time in the camps and years trying to help and represent the palestinians. I also got to learn truths they did not want told. Very nearly killed three times. Forced to leave to protect my family.
I don't advocate their extermination, never have. I won't support the lies and endless demands without giving up the violence and hate against Israel, jews and anyone that believes Israel has a right to exist. I've seen and experienced what both sides can do. I know what it is to be scared physically and emotionally by war.
I am not armchair quarterbacking about something I am not very familiar with. Close to fifty years I've been actively involved in event in the middle east, though now it is via my computer and through my contact there.
I doubt you or many others have been as involved. Spouting palestinian propaganda and lies is not really helping them, it just perpetuates the hate and destruction. It prolongs the suffering in the region.
I grew up in the military. I understand war. I've seen too much of it. I have always tried to work towards peace.

Aris, I am sure most of the readers laugh at this boiler room crackpot calling you a psychopath. You know so much more than that gang in the boiler room who must be psychopaths themselves. For all we know, maybe the boiler room is actually in some mental institution and they give the patients there computers to pass the time of day, thereby not bothering the institution's staff too much. The readers of this forum are very fortunate to have someone of your caliber posting here.

 

[Roudy]

Do you know what the term psychopath means? I think not. When you propose to murder or otherwise eliminate millions of people through the use of biological weapons or propose that millions of people continue to be oppressed because they do not meet one's expectations in terms of contributions to culture, society, science etc. That's a psychopath.

Being an evenhanded observer of a conflict that would like to see an equitable resolution to a long standing conflict, is not psychopathic.

And that defines the muslims of the world perfectly. If you were even handed then you would calling on the muslims to stop all belligerence and terrorism and sit down and talk mutually agreed borders.

While I don't believe a two state solution is possible, I would strongly recommend that the Palestinian Muslims and Christians adopt a non-violent and peaceful approach and just wait it out.

Wait a few more years and you won't have anything to whine about, Mohomod Latici.

Gaza proved that this is not and has never been about land. Israel will soon annex the West Bank, call it by it's correct name for 3000 years JUDEAH AND SAMARIA, before the Arab invaders changed it's name to "West Bank" in 1948, and get this thing over with.

 

[aris2chat]

Maybe you should work with the other psychopath and figure out which biological weapon can eliminate these pesky people that are so inherently bad they don't deserve to live.

I spent a lot of time in the camps and years trying to help and represent the palestinians. I also got to learn truths they did not want told. Very nearly killed three times. Forced to leave to protect my family.
I don't advocate their extermination, never have. I won't support the lies and endless demands without giving up the violence and hate against Israel, jews and anyone that believes Israel has a right to exist. I've seen and experienced what both sides can do. I know what it is to be scared physically and emotionally by war.
I am not armchair quarterbacking about something I am not very familiar with. Close to fifty years I've been actively involved in event in the middle east, though now it is via my computer and through my contact there.
I doubt you or many others have been as involved. Spouting palestinian propaganda and lies is not really helping them, it just perpetuates the hate and destruction. It prolongs the suffering in the region.
I grew up in the military. I understand war. I've seen too much of it. I have always tried to work towards peace.

Aris, I am sure most of the readers laugh at this boiler room crackpot calling you a psychopath. You know so much more than that gang in the boiler room who must be psychopaths themselves. For all we know, maybe the boiler room is actually in some mental institution and they give the patients there computers to pass the time of day, thereby not bothering the institution's staff too much. The readers of this forum are very fortunate to have someone of your caliber posting here.

It is just so much hot air, but it really is a disservice to the palestinians who are seeking a peaceful solution with Israel.

 

[montelatici]

And that defines the muslims of the world perfectly. If you were even handed then you would calling on the muslims to stop all belligerence and terrorism and sit down and talk mutually agreed borders.

While I don't believe a two state solution is possible, I would strongly recommend that the Palestinian Muslims and Christians adopt a non-violent and peaceful approach and just wait it out.

Wait a few more years and you won't have anything to whine about, Mohomod Latici.

Gaza proved that this is not and has never been about land. Israel will soon annex the West Bank, call it by it's correct name for 3000 years JUDEAH AND SAMARIA, before the Arab invaders changed it's name to "West Bank" in 1948, and get this thing over with.

As long as the non-Jews in Judeah and Samaria or whatever it will be called, I have no problem with Israel annexing the area as long as the Muslims and Christians that live there are granted equal rights and protections.

 

[Roudy]

While I don't believe a two state solution is possible, I would strongly recommend that the Palestinian Muslims and Christians adopt a non-violent and peaceful approach and just wait it out.

Wait a few more years and you won't have anything to whine about, Mohomod Latici.

Gaza proved that this is not and has never been about land. Israel will soon annex the West Bank, call it by it's correct name for 3000 years JUDEAH AND SAMARIA, before the Arab invaders changed it's name to "West Bank" in 1948, and get this thing over with.

As long as the non-Jews in Judeah and Samaria or whatever it will be called, I have no problem with Israel annexing the area as long as the Muslims and Christians that live there are granted equal rights and protections.

They will be treated as Israeli citizens with equal rights just as the 1.8 million Arab Muslim Israelis that live inside Israel. Despite your false propaganda and lies Israel is a tolerant democrat society and a great host for all three world religions.

 

[montelatici]

Wait a few more years and you won't have anything to whine about, Mohomod Latici.

Gaza proved that this is not and has never been about land. Israel will soon annex the West Bank, call it by it's correct name for 3000 years JUDEAH AND SAMARIA, before the Arab invaders changed it's name to "West Bank" in 1948, and get this thing over with.

As long as the non-Jews in Judeah and Samaria or whatever it will be called, I have no problem with Israel annexing the area as long as the Muslims and Christians that live there are granted equal rights and protections.

They will be treated as Israeli citizens with equal rights just as the 1.8 million Arab Muslim Israelis that live inside Israel. Despite your false propaganda and lies Israel is a tolerant democrat society and a great host for all three world religions.

Well, I am all for that Roudy.

 

[Phoenall]

Do you know what the term psychopath means? I think not. When you propose to murder or otherwise eliminate millions of people through the use of biological weapons or propose that millions of people continue to be oppressed because they do not meet one's expectations in terms of contributions to culture, society, science etc. That's a psychopath.

Being an evenhanded observer of a conflict that would like to see an equitable resolution to a long standing conflict, is not psychopathic.

And that defines the muslims of the world perfectly. If you were even handed then you would calling on the muslims to stop all belligerence and terrorism and sit down and talk mutually agreed borders.

While I don't believe a two state solution is possible, I would strongly recommend that the Palestinian Muslims and Christians adopt a non-violent and peaceful approach and just wait it out.

Not enough Christians left in Palestine to make a Bridge hand, the Palestinian muslims have either mass murdered them or driven them out. The Palestinian muslims are incapable of being non-violent so will end up getting wiped out by all their neighbours eventually. Remember what Jordan and Egypt did to them ?

 

[Phoenall]

While I don't believe a two state solution is possible, I would strongly recommend that the Palestinian Muslims and Christians adopt a non-violent and peaceful approach and just wait it out.

Wait a few more years and you won't have anything to whine about, Mohomod Latici.

Gaza proved that this is not and has never been about land. Israel will soon annex the West Bank, call it by it's correct name for 3000 years JUDEAH AND SAMARIA, before the Arab invaders changed it's name to "West Bank" in 1948, and get this thing over with.

As long as the non-Jews in Judeah and Samaria or whatever it will be called, I have no problem with Israel annexing the area as long as the Muslims and Christians that live there are granted equal rights and protections.

Most of the Christians already have equal rights as they now live in Israel were they are safe from rape and murder. Many have joined the IDF to exact revenge on those that raped and beat them in Palestine.

 

[Phoenall]

As long as the non-Jews in Judeah and Samaria or whatever it will be called, I have no problem with Israel annexing the area as long as the Muslims and Christians that live there are granted equal rights and protections.

They will be treated as Israeli citizens with equal rights just as the 1.8 million Arab Muslim Israelis that live inside Israel. Despite your false propaganda and lies Israel is a tolerant democrat society and a great host for all three world religions.

Well, I am all for that Roudy.

BUT they will have to exercise free determination and accept Israel as a Jewish nation and to live in peace within its borders and by the laws of Israel. To renounce all terrorism, violence and dissent on pain of expulsion to gaza.

 

[montelatici]

And that defines the muslims of the world perfectly. If you were even handed then you would calling on the muslims to stop all belligerence and terrorism and sit down and talk mutually agreed borders.

While I don't believe a two state solution is possible, I would strongly recommend that the Palestinian Muslims and Christians adopt a non-violent and peaceful approach and just wait it out.

Not enough Christians left in Palestine to make a Bridge hand, the Palestinian muslims have either mass murdered them or driven them out. The Palestinian muslims are incapable of being non-violent so will end up getting wiped out by all their neighbours eventually. Remember what Jordan and Egypt did to them ?

"I am a Palestinian Christian, now a U.S. citizen, and my own experience and that of my family attest to the falsity of Ambassador Oren's assertion. I was born in East Jerusalem, Jordan in 1952, only a few years after my family and the majority of Palestinians fled from their homes when the newly established Jewish state took over three-quarters of historical Palestine. My family, like almost all the other Palestinians who fled -- Christians and Muslims alike -- became refugees, losing their fields, orchards, homes and practically everything else, to Israel. Israel defied the international consensus and a U.N. resolution calling on it to allow the Palestinian refugees to return.

Had Israel allowed the Palestinians to return, it would not have become a majority Jewish state. Israel's fear of a Palestinian presence within its borders continues to drive its brutal policies of occupation, which victimize Palestinian Christians as well as Muslims. Israel occupied the rest of historical Palestine in 1967, gaining control over a large Palestinian Arab population which many Israelis view as a threat to the "Jewish character" of their country.

Palestinian Christians are, indeed, worried about the militancy of extremists who cloak themselves in distorted Islamic rhetoric. Yet, the majority of Palestinian Muslims and Christians have chosen peaceful resistance. To say that Hamas is the cause of the declining Christian population in the occupied Palestinian territories is standing the truth on its head.

Our people are fleeing their homeland because the Israelis are confiscating the land of Palestinians -- Muslims and Christians alike -- to build Jewish-only settlements and the Apartheid Wall which is ghettoizing many Palestinian communities. Palestinian Christians are leaving because of Israeli checkpoints and barriers that severely restrict the freedom of movement of Palestinians, destroying their economy and preventing their access to their holy places in Jerusalem. They are leaving because Israel diverts Palestinian water resources in a way that gives illegal Jewish settlements the right to enjoy swimming pools while the fields of Palestinian farmers next door go fallow for lack of water."


Philip Farah: Palestinian Christians Against the Occupation

 

[GHook93]

Here we go again. Israel is to do all the giving & the Palestinians all the receiving only to result in more Palestinian terrorists to attack Israel & kill Israeli citizens. Is there anyone in their right mind who supports these endless Palestinian demands on Israel so peace talks can resume?

Palestinians publish new list of demands: PM must agree to East Jerusalem as... - Israel News, Ynetnews

And those are the demands just for the fat cat Palestinian leaders to get to the table.
I say Israel should INCREASE the HOME building in the ALL of JERUSALEM, going to build up more and more of the Israeli cities on Judea and Samaria but concentrate them along the so called green line and on the border with the eastern side of Jerusalem and lastly do whatever they can to push more and more Palestinians out of Jerusalem and further inland in Judea and Samaria.

 

[aris2chat]

Wait a few more years and you won't have anything to whine about, Mohomod Latici.

Gaza proved that this is not and has never been about land. Israel will soon annex the West Bank, call it by it's correct name for 3000 years JUDEAH AND SAMARIA, before the Arab invaders changed it's name to "West Bank" in 1948, and get this thing over with.

As long as the non-Jews in Judeah and Samaria or whatever it will be called, I have no problem with Israel annexing the area as long as the Muslims and Christians that live there are granted equal rights and protections.

Most of the Christians already have equal rights as they now live in Israel were they are safe from rape and murder. Many have joined the IDF to exact revenge on those that raped and beat them in Palestine.

 

[montelatici]

As long as the non-Jews in Judeah and Samaria or whatever it will be called, I have no problem with Israel annexing the area as long as the Muslims and Christians that live there are granted equal rights and protections.

Most of the Christians already have equal rights as they now live in Israel were they are safe from rape and murder. Many have joined the IDF to exact revenge on those that raped and beat them in Palestine.

1. Many Christians have not joined the IDF. Of the about 2,000 Arabs that joined the IDF in 2012 250-300 were Christian.

2. Christians do not have equal rights, for example, Israeli Christians do not have the right of return and do not have the ability to buy land as Jews do.

Your demonizing of Muslims may work with the fascists that ply their trade on this site, but having grown up in Arab countries as a Christian and having lived for decades in the Middle East. You don't fool me. You are basically a racist cheerleader with a pathological hate for people of a certain religion. Were Jews the object of your hate, you would accused of antisemitism.

 

[aris2chat]

Most of the Christians already have equal rights as they now live in Israel were they are safe from rape and murder. Many have joined the IDF to exact revenge on those that raped and beat them in Palestine.

1. Many Christians have not joined the IDF. Of the about 2,000 Arabs that joined the IDF in 2012 250-300 were Christian.

2. Christians do not have equal rights, for example, Israeli Christians do not have the right of return and do not have the ability to buy land as Jews do.

Your demonizing of Muslims may work with the fascists that ply their trade on this site, but having grown up in Arab countries as a Christian and having lived for decades in the Middle East. You don't fool me. You are basically a racist cheerleader with a pathological hate for people of a certain religion. Were Jews the object of your hate, you would accused of antisemitism.

Israeli christians are Israel. If you are talking about christians from around the world, no they have no birth right to move to Israel. If they want they can apply like any one else to move to and work there. It takes a couple of years and the applicant must learn hebrew.
It is similar to applying in the US, only the applicant must work in Israel.
No there are fewer christian soldiers than arab but they are increasing.
Number of Christians Joining the IDF On the Rise - Defense/Security - News - Israel National News