Elon Musk publicized the names of government employees he wants to cut. It’s terrifying federal workers

[initforme]

My impression is that you are never going to considered among the best employees

Libs who constantly complain are a pain in the ass

I'm long retired. When I had a bad employer I let them know. It an employees duty.

 

[JoeB131]

In Germany but not in America

In America, they didn't need to. I should point out that Volkswagen was all for unionizing their plants, but the workers in Jesusland rejected it. Since American workers are already getting all the benefits that their German counterparts are getting, there was no need.

Thats not entirely untrue

American engineering is often 2nd best

The Japanese in particular have excellent engineers

And both German and Japanese cultures are obsessed with quality and hard work that many American union members lack

It's completely true. For instance, the US manufacturers insisted on continuing to make gas guzzlers when the market in the late 70's demanded fuel efficiency. That's where the Japanese got their foot into the door. People of my Dad's Generation would never buy a Toyota because they were still pissed about Pearl Harbor, but my generation looked at the gas prices and said, "that looks good!"

if you take a look at the worst cars ever produced, you usually have the Yugo and then a bunch of American cars. American cars have included such gems as the Edsel, the Chevette, and the Gremlin.

As for Japanese quality- here's the thing. they learned that from us.

After WWII, when Japan was rebuilding its industries, a fellow named Demming went over there and showed them how to do it. The slapped Japanese names on these things like Kaizen, 5S, Kan-Ban, and we all think they are geniuses.

 

[JoeB131]

They want people terrified. Anyone who doesn't think exactly like they do. They're convinced they deserve revenge, payback.

The country hasn't seen this before, although the world has.

Yes, Vichy Mac, and you helped it happen by not supporting the Democrats.

Don't you feel proud.

 

[Independent thinker]

So do most of these Federal workers.



Yet amazingly, the mail gets delivered. How does that work, if they are all lazy? 318 Million pieces of mail delivered DAILY.

The point was there are many pointless government jobs which could be eliminated, without affecting anyone but those on the gravy train.

 

[22lcidw]

But the question is, will we be better off?

When Nana's social security check starts coming in late because half the bureaucracy that keeps things running has moved on to the private sector, and the nitwits Trump and Elon put in their place have no idea what they are doing (and don't really give a shit about Nana anyway) is that going to be a good thing?

To Progs all of the government employees are intertwined. Fauci is the one who sends Nana's check out in Prog world.

 

[Mac-7]

In America, they didn't need to. I should point out that Volkswagen was all for unionizing their plants, but the workers in Jesusland rejected it. Since American workers are already getting all the benefits that their German counterparts are getting, there was no need.



It's completely true. For instance, the US manufacturers insisted on continuing to make gas guzzlers when the market in the late 70's demanded fuel efficiency. That's where the Japanese got their foot into the door. People of my Dad's Generation would never buy a Toyota because they were still pissed about Pearl Harbor, but my generation looked at the gas prices and said, "that looks good!"

if you take a look at the worst cars ever produced, you usually have the Yugo and then a bunch of American cars. American cars have included such gems as the Edsel, the Chevette, and the Gremlin.

As for Japanese quality- here's the thing. they learned that from us.

After WWII, when Japan was rebuilding its industries, a fellow named Demming went over there and showed them how to do it. The slapped Japanese names on these things like Kaizen, 5S, Kan-Ban, and we all think they are geniuses.

America ignored Demming

Japan listened and learned

Worst American cars: quality wise Edsel and Grimlin were not bad

They just didnt appeal to American tastes

 

[Jarlaxle]

Let the private sector handle mailing Nana's social security checks.

Fine them when they're late as part of the contract.

Mailing? Is this 1999? They have been 100% electronic deposit for at least ten years.

Thosevwho have paid into SS their whole lives are entitled to it. Refute this lesser.

Are you drunk?

Lisa always wants other people to suffer, probably because her own miserable life turned out to be such a disappointment.

This, class, is a typical example of Joey projecting his faults on others.

60 is too old to be working. If this nation wants people in their 60s working that is so wrong. Beyond wrong. Evil.

Then you should probably save for retirement!

Ss is one of the greatest things this nation has ever created. There is no dispute here.

That's stupid. There is no dispute here.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Uh, guy, German and Japanese unions are stronger than American Unions. They even have a say in who runs the company.

the only reason why they put a few factories in Jesusland was because Reagan threatened to hit them with tariffs if they didn't.

Joey...do you EVER get tired of being wrong? Honda was building plants in Ohio in 1979. Nissan was planning what became Smyrna Assembly in 1979, and broke ground in 1980. Toyota built a plant in California in 1972, to avoid a tax imposed by Johnson. VW opened their Westmoreland, PAS plant in 1978.

They mostly hire union guys from the Big Three who are already collecting their pensions.

You, of course, will not ever ATTMPT to back up this idiotic lie.

 

[Contumacious]

So apparently the goal isn't just to cut out waste and save money, it's also to intimidate and terrify other people, in this case the federal workforce. Sadly, this is not news to me.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/27/busi...ex.html?iid=cnn_buildContentRecirc_end_recirc

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When President-elect Donald Trump said Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy would recommend major cuts to the federal government in his administration, many public employees knew that their jobs could be on the line.​

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Now they have a new fear: becoming the personal targets of the world’s richest man – and his legions of followers.​

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Last week, in the midst of the flurry of his daily missives, Musk reposted two X posts that revealed the names and titles of people holding four relatively obscure climate-related government positions. Each post has been viewed tens of millions of times, and the individuals named have been subjected to a barrage of negative attention. At least one of the four women named has deleted her social media accounts.​

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Although the information he posted on those government positions is available through public online databases, these posts target otherwise unknown government employees in roles that do not deal directly with the public.​

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Several current federal employees told CNN they’re afraid their lives will be forever changed – including physically threatened – as Musk makes behind-the-scenes bureaucrats into personal targets. Others told CNN that the threat of being in Musk’s crosshairs might even drive them from their jobs entirely – achieving Musk’s smaller government goals without so much as a proper review.​

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“These tactics are aimed at sowing terror and fear at federal employees,” said Everett Kelley, president of the American Federation of Government Employees, which represents more than 800,000 of the 2.3 million civilian federal employees. “It’s intended to make them fearful that they will become afraid to speak up.”​

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This isn’t new behavior for Musk, who has often singled out individuals who he claims have made mistakes or stand in his way. One former federal employee, previously targeted by Musk, said she experienced something very similar.​

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“It’s his way of intimidating people to either quit or also send a signal to all the other agencies that ‘you’re next’,” said Mary “Missy” Cummings, an engineering and computer science professor at George Mason University, who drew Musk’s ire because of her criticisms of Tesla when she was at the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.​

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Going dark after attacks​

Last week Musk reposted an account with the handle Fentasyl and the name “Datahazard,” which describes itself as “Unincorporated Think Tank ~~ Focus: Govt Efficiency, Civil Rights, Victim Advocacy.”​

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One of the posts reads: “I don’t think the US taxpayers should pay for the employment of a ’Director of Climate Diversification (she/her)’ at the US International Development Finance Corporation,” with a partial screengrab of an employee and her location.​

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Musk, who called himself “super pro climate” in an X post last year, reposted and commented: “So many fake jobs.” The post has received more than 33 million views and a storm of negative comments. Some called the role a “fraud job” and others demanded Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency cut jobs like it. One user commented: “Gravy train is over.”​

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It appears the woman Musk targeted has since gone dark on social media, shutting down her accounts. The agency, the US International Development Finance Corporation, says it supports investment in climate mitigation, resilience and adaptation in low-income countries experiencing the most devastating effects of climate change. A DFC official said the agency does not comment on individual personnel positions or matters.​

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Related articleRemote work crackdown: How Trump’s DOGE could push federal workers to quit​

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Musk also called out the Department of Energy’s chief climate officer in its loan programs office. The office funds fledgling energy technologies in need of early investment and awarded $465 million to Tesla Motors in 2010, helping to position Musk’s electric vehicle company as an EV industry leader. The chief climate officer works across agencies to “reduce barriers and enable clean energy deployment” according to her online bio.​

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Another woman, who serves as senior advisor on environmental justice and climate change at the Department of Health and Human Services, was another Musk target. HHS focuses on protecting the public health from pollution and other environmental hazards, especially in low-income communities and communities of color that are experiencing a higher share of exposures and impacts. The office first launched at Health and Human Services under the Biden administration in 2022.​

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A senior adviser to climate at the Department of Housing and Urban Development was also singled out. The original X post said the woman “should not be paid $181,648.00 by the US taxpayer to be the ‘Climate advisor’ at HUD.” Musk reposted with the comment: “But maybe her advice is amazing.” Followed by two laughing emojis.​

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CNN reached out to all four federal employees who either declined comment or were unable to be reached. CNN also reached out to HHS, DOE and HUD for comment.​

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X did not respond to an email seeking comment.​

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The AFGE public union pointed out that as a federal contractor, Musk himself has benefited from government programs, with $750 billion per year spent on federal contractors compared to about $200 billion for the civilian federal workforce. “We are a comparative steal, and we want to help clean it up too,” Kelley said.​

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Putting people in harm’s way​

Musk has done this kind of thing before – and it’s led to real danger for the people named.​

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Missy Cummings angered Musk when she was appointed a senior advisor at the NHTSA because her research and public comments were critical of Tesla’s driver-assist programs and she had called for regulating the systems.​

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Musk targeted Cummings on what was then called Twitter, and his legions of fans followed.​

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In an interview, Cummings said she received a torrent of attacks, including death threats, and had to temporarily relocate before she eventually moved.​

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Cummings said she already knows of federal employees who “have dedicated their lives to civil service,” already quitting their jobs in anticipation of what’s to come.​

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“He intended for them, for people just like this, to be intimidated and just go ahead and quit so he didn’t have to fire them. So his plan, to some extent, is working,” she said.​

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CNN reached out to multiple experts and academics who specialize in cyber harassment, doxing and online abuse. But several declined to comment on the record for fear of themselves becoming Musk’s targets.​

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“What has happened has an incredible and horrific chilling effect,” one of them said.​

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Another said they are “not surprised” with Musk’s re-posts, adding they are an example of a “classic pattern” of cyber harassment.​

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Ramaswamy did not directly respond to questions about singling out individual federal employees but told CNN: “Most federal employees, like most human beings, are fundamentally good people and deserve to be treated with respect, but the real problem is the bureaucracy.”​

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“Our opponent is not any particular individual. Our opponent is the bureaucracy,” he added.​

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In a follow-up post, the Fentasyl account, which itself is anonymous, wrote: “It goes without saying that you should not harass someone solely because they hold a senior government plum job that should probably not exist,” the account posted. “But senior government officials are not mere rank-and-file employees. We deserve to know who is running our government & what they do.”​

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Cummings, who was also one of the first female fighter pilots in the US Navy, said she felt an obligation to speak out.​

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“Somebody has got to speak out,” she said. “I’m just not going to let him win on this point.”

The swamp, the Deep Administrative State the so -called "civil servants" deserve to be treated like shit after the Lawfare - the character assassination campaign conducted against President Trump

 

[SweetTea]

They want people terrified. Anyone who doesn't think exactly like they do

You mean like calling people Hitler?

 

[Mac1958]

You mean like calling people Hitler?

Take it up with someone who has done that, Trumpster.

 

[Jarlaxle]

In America, they didn't need to. I should point out that Volkswagen was all for unionizing their plants, but the workers in Jesusland rejected it. Since American workers are already getting all the benefits that their German counterparts are getting, there was no need.

That's wrong (as usual), but you're convinced of your infallibility. The UAW DID unionize VW's first US plant. That is one reason it closed after less than ten years.

It's completely true. For instance, the US manufacturers insisted on continuing to make gas guzzlers when the market in the late 70's demanded fuel efficiency. That's where the Japanese got their foot into the door. People of my Dad's Generation would never buy a Toyota because they were still pissed about Pearl Harbor, but my generation looked at the gas prices and said, "that looks good!"

if you take a look at the worst cars ever produced, you usually have the Yugo and then a bunch of American cars. American cars have included such gems as the Edsel, the Chevette, and the Gremlin.

More "alternative facts" from Joey.

The worst car ever sold in the United States was the VW bug. (Yes, a Yugo was better.) It was a fossil from the 30s that did nothing well except "cute" and should have been euthanized by 1960.

The Chevette was NOT an American design-it was GM's first "world car," a joint venture with Isuzu and Opel, also sold as the Isuzu and Holden Gemini, Vauxhall Chevette, and Opel Kadett. Note that the Chevette was a home run for GM, selling in enormous numbers. (It was the best-selling compact in the country for two years.)

The Edsel was a decent car (mechanically, it was simply a big Ford), but poorly marketed, awkwardly styled, expensive, and had some innovations (notably, the electric pushbutton transmission controls) that simply weren't ready for mass-marketing.

The Gremlin was an attempt (and a successful one) to build a compact on a shoestring budget. (Mechanically, it was a shortened Hornet.) It was successful and sold fairly well. Chrysler did the same thing at the same time, and the result was Chrysler's best-selling car for several years.

 

[SweetTea]

Take it up with someone who has done that, Trumpster.

You may not call Trump Hitler, but you promote the false narrative that he will be an authoritarian. Hardly much different.

 

[airplanemechanic]

They want people terrified. Anyone who doesn't think exactly like they do. They're convinced they deserve revenge, payback.

The country hasn't seen this before, although the world has.

The country hasn't seen politicians weaponizing gov't law enforcement agencies to go after their political rivals.

 

[eagle1462010]

 

[TheGreatSatan]

Elon Musk is an American hero.

Elon Musk

OCCUPY MARS!!!

 

[airplanemechanic]

Maybe BETTER government is what you should aim for, rather than smaller, or larger govt. Nobody is talking about making it better.

Smaller IS better.

 

[para bellum]

In fact, the number of people employed by the Federal Government has been pretty stable at around 3 million since the 1950's.

In 1950 the Federal workforce was capped at 2 Million by law. That has been monkeyed with over the decades, but the upshot is that the bulk of the growth has been in contract workers who are not included in that OPM number.

The real number has to include the number of federal contract and grant workers, which in 2019 stood at 5.3 million. I don't know where that stands today, but I doubt seriously it has gone down.

Total Fed employees if you include the USPS and Military (in 2019) was 9.1 Million.

https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/438242-the-federal-government-is-the-largest-employer-in-the-nation/

 

[The Irish Ram]

Maybe BETTER government is what you should aim for, rather than smaller, or larger govt. Nobody is talking about making it better.

Better government means a smaller, efficient government. Enough of them meeting every day to tell us what we need and what we don't, and how much more of our money they need, and passing more laws to restrict us. That is not what our founding fathers had in mind.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Better government means a smaller, efficient government. Enough of them meeting every day to tell us what we need and what we don't, and how much more of our money they need, and passing more laws to restrict us. That is not what our founding fathers had in mind.

Not necessarily. It's finding the right balance. What that balance is might be difficult for us to see from afar.