Elon Musk publicized the names of government employees he wants to cut. It’s terrifying federal workers

60 is too old to be working. If this nation wants people in their 60s working that is so wrong. Beyond wrong. Evil.

I'm 62. I feel like working until I'm at least 67.

Here's part of the problem with retirement at 65; when that was set as the age of retirement, most people didn't live that long. Now we have people living well into their 80's, which is a problem in that we have less young people paying into the system.
 
The problem you don’t seem to understand is that it doesn’t take 3-5 people to lick an envelope, just 1. The federal government is known for hiring 3 guys to dig a ditch and hiring 3 more guys to fill it in.

Democrats seem to be the only ones who are unable to see how inefficient our federal government is.

This is where you get stupid.

Currently, 68 million Americans receive some benefit from Social Security.

The Social Security Administration employs 60,000 people. That means they have one employee to lick 1000 envelopes.

They aren't licking an envelope; they are maintaining records for not only the retirees but also the people who are paying in, resolving issues, etc.

Now, here's an area where I had recent experience. I needed to update Mrs. B131's data with Social Security (Change her address and last name.) We waited there for about two hours before we got called up, and then were told we didn't have the right document. (My wife brought a copy of our marriage cert instead of the original.) So we had to go back home, get the original, and wait another two hours.

They had maybe four employees there, with a few dozen people waiting to see someone. Very few of them looked old enough to be retired, and none of them were in wheelchairs or such shit. I suspect they had "Ray from Cleveland" kinds of disabilities.

Now, by your logic, do you really think that situation will be made better by cutting them from four employees to two?
 
This is where you get stupid.

Currently, 68 million Americans receive some benefit from Social Security.

The Social Security Administration employs 60,000 people. That means they have one employee to lick 1000 envelopes.

They aren't licking an envelope; they are maintaining records for not only the retirees but also the people who are paying in, resolving issues, etc.

Now, here's an area where I had recent experience. I needed to update Mrs. B131's data with Social Security (Change her address and last name.) We waited there for about two hours before we got called up, and then were told we didn't have the right document. (My wife brought a copy of our marriage cert instead of the original.) So we had to go back home, get the original, and wait another two hours.

They had maybe four employees there, with a few dozen people waiting to see someone. Very few of them looked old enough to be retired, and none of them were in wheelchairs or such shit. I suspect they had "Ray from Cleveland" kinds of disabilities.

Now, by your logic, do you really think that situation will be made better by cutting them from four employees to two?

Are you trying to make the argument that our federal government is run efficiently? That is a tough row to hoe.
 
That's because there weren't any. Unemployment under Biden ranged from 3.5 to 4.2%. This is a historical low. (Unlike Trump, where he hit 14% and was still at 6% when he left.)

Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!!!

Automotive
The Automotive sector announced the most job cuts in November with 11,506, the highest monthly total since 14,373 cuts were recorded in April. For the year, Automotive companies have announced 45,820, a 59% increase from the 28,803 cuts recorded through November last year.



A newly created part time job at a coffee shop or as an Uber driver does not equal a lost full time manufacturing job with full benefits.
 
That's because there weren't any. Unemployment under Biden ranged from 3.5 to 4.2%. This is a historical low. (Unlike Trump, where he hit 14% and was still at 6% when he left.)

How many people are working multiple jobs now and how many more federal workers were hired?(robbing Peter to pay Paul)
 
IOW, you cannot refute my point.

Why libtards want to keep paying through the nose for a million superfluous federal employees when we are $35T in debt is mind-boggling, but then again, its mind-boggling that they would vote for Harris,

THTW!

You really haven't made the case that they are superfluous, Lisa. In fact, most Federal Agencies are understaffed because they are having a hard time recruiting and retaining talent.


What's mind boggling is that minorities, women, and gays would vote for Trump.

But then again, some Jews voted for Hitler.
 
Yup. These government workers seem to think that nobody ever lost a job before, and that they are entitled to earn full-time salaries (some approaching $200,000) for a few hours behind their laptop in the spare bedroom every morning. Then it’s off for tennis lessons or a matinee movie.
You are ignorant of how work from home is done.
 
A newly created part time job at a coffee shop or as an Uber driver does not equal a lost full time manufacturing job with full benefits.

Are you stupid?

The reality is that manufacturing is facing labor shortages, even with all the outsourcing and automation and process improvement.


A company I worked for had a very hard time maintaining floor workers. They just couldn't find people who could be trained to operate the machines.
 
Always with the red herrings.

For example: If the 47 Federal programs (spread across 3 or 4 Departments) that were identified by the GAO to "promote teacher excellence", were combined into say, 5 programs under the Dept of Ed, and the rest of them were shut down to eliminate bureaucratic replication...

How does that delay Nana's social security check?

Answer: It doesn't have any effect at all. It just cuts out a bunch of "make-work" jobs that bleed off the funding for the objective, which is ostensibly "promoting teacher excellence"...

Every year the GAO comes out with a report on government waste and inefficiency, and never is anything meaningful done with it.

That report is low-hanging fruit for Musk, and a good place to start.

Except it never really works that way.

I've been hearing you guys talk this kind of smack since Ronnie Ray-Gun was president. That dog don't hunt. In fact, the number of people employed by the Federal Government has been pretty stable at around 3 million since the 1950's. Meanwhile, those working for State and Local governments have ballooned.

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Are you trying to make the argument that our federal government is run efficiently? That is a tough row to hoe.

Probably no more or less efficient than the private sector.

Again, I've been hearing this shit since Ronnie Ray-Gun, about how someone was going to come in and make Government "efficient" like business.

And it usually involves some Republican putting private sector guys in there who have no idea how to run things. You know, like "Heckava Job" Brownie.
 
Are you stupid?

The reality is that manufacturing is facing labor shortages, even with all the outsourcing and automation and process improvement.


A company I worked for had a very hard time maintaining floor workers. They just couldn't find people who could be trained to operate the machines.

Tell that to all the laid off auto workers. Biden and Gov. Whitmer have done nothing for them.



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Jobs report revision: US added 818,000 fewer jobs than believed​



 
The measure of govt is how the poor are treated. Priority #1
No, priority #1 is defending the nature from foreign adversaries.

As far as the poor, they already have a safety net with subsided housing, food stamps, Medicaid, and more. These giveaway programs are paid for by the working and middle classes.
 
If I were them I would leave now. The government gravy train is over. How can you complain when Musk is doing them a huge favor in giving them two month’s notice instead of two week’s? With such long notice, they are already receiving their severance pay! So, none needed.
Yup. NewsVine is going on about “terrifying people” - when they are being given two months’ notice AND will get a generous termination package.

Most people get called into HR, told they are getting two weeks’ severance, and directed to clear their desk and leave the premises.

Why these liberals think that government workers who have gotten away with “working” from home a few hours a day are entitled to more than the people who PAY THEIR SALARIES is just another example of misplaced loyalties.
 
No, priority #1 is defending the nature from foreign adversaries.

As far as the poor, they already have a safety net with subsided housing, food stamps, Medicaid, and more. These giveaway programs are paid for by the working and middle classes.
Both are equally important.
 
Both are equally important.
Not really. Defense above all.

The poor are already in subsidized housing, getting free food, free medical, free lunches for their kids, TANF payments, etc., etc. If they want more than that, they will have to acquire valuable job skills.
 
So apparently the goal isn't just to cut out waste and save money, it's also to intimidate and terrify other people, in this case the federal workforce. Sadly, this is not news to me.

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CNN —​
When President-elect Donald Trump said Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy would recommend major cuts to the federal government in his administration, many public employees knew that their jobs could be on the line.​
Now they have a new fear: becoming the personal targets of the world’s richest man – and his legions of followers.​
Last week, in the midst of the flurry of his daily missives, Musk reposted two X posts that revealed the names and titles of people holding four relatively obscure climate-related government positions. Each post has been viewed tens of millions of times, and the individuals named have been subjected to a barrage of negative attention. At least one of the four women named has deleted her social media accounts.​
Although the information he posted on those government positions is available through public online databases, these posts target otherwise unknown government employees in roles that do not deal directly with the public.​

Several current federal employees told CNN they’re afraid their lives will be forever changed – including physically threatened – as Musk makes behind-the-scenes bureaucrats into personal targets. Others told CNN that the threat of being in Musk’s crosshairs might even drive them from their jobs entirely – achieving Musk’s smaller government goals without so much as a proper review.​
“These tactics are aimed at sowing terror and fear at federal employees,” said Everett Kelley, president of the American Federation of Government Employees, which represents more than 800,000 of the 2.3 million civilian federal employees. “It’s intended to make them fearful that they will become afraid to speak up.”​
This isn’t new behavior for Musk, who has often singled out individuals who he claims have made mistakes or stand in his way. One former federal employee, previously targeted by Musk, said she experienced something very similar.​
“It’s his way of intimidating people to either quit or also send a signal to all the other agencies that ‘you’re next’,” said Mary “Missy” Cummings, an engineering and computer science professor at George Mason University, who drew Musk’s ire because of her criticisms of Tesla when she was at the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.​

Going dark after attacks​

Last week Musk reposted an account with the handle Fentasyl and the name “Datahazard,” which describes itself as “Unincorporated Think Tank ~~ Focus: Govt Efficiency, Civil Rights, Victim Advocacy.”​
One of the posts reads: “I don’t think the US taxpayers should pay for the employment of a ’Director of Climate Diversification (she/her)’ at the US International Development Finance Corporation,” with a partial screengrab of an employee and her location.​
Musk, who called himself “super pro climate” in an X post last year, reposted and commented: “So many fake jobs.” The post has received more than 33 million views and a storm of negative comments. Some called the role a “fraud job” and others demanded Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency cut jobs like it. One user commented: “Gravy train is over.”​
It appears the woman Musk targeted has since gone dark on social media, shutting down her accounts. The agency, the US International Development Finance Corporation, says it supports investment in climate mitigation, resilience and adaptation in low-income countries experiencing the most devastating effects of climate change. A DFC official said the agency does not comment on individual personnel positions or matters.​
Related articleRemote work crackdown: How Trump’s DOGE could push federal workers to quit​

Musk also called out the Department of Energy’s chief climate officer in its loan programs office. The office funds fledgling energy technologies in need of early investment and awarded $465 million to Tesla Motors in 2010, helping to position Musk’s electric vehicle company as an EV industry leader. The chief climate officer works across agencies to “reduce barriers and enable clean energy deployment” according to her online bio.​
Another woman, who serves as senior advisor on environmental justice and climate change at the Department of Health and Human Services, was another Musk target. HHS focuses on protecting the public health from pollution and other environmental hazards, especially in low-income communities and communities of color that are experiencing a higher share of exposures and impacts. The office first launched at Health and Human Services under the Biden administration in 2022.​
A senior adviser to climate at the Department of Housing and Urban Development was also singled out. The original X post said the woman “should not be paid $181,648.00 by the US taxpayer to be the ‘Climate advisor’ at HUD.” Musk reposted with the comment: “But maybe her advice is amazing.” Followed by two laughing emojis.​
CNN reached out to all four federal employees who either declined comment or were unable to be reached. CNN also reached out to HHS, DOE and HUD for comment.​
X did not respond to an email seeking comment.​
The AFGE public union pointed out that as a federal contractor, Musk himself has benefited from government programs, with $750 billion per year spent on federal contractors compared to about $200 billion for the civilian federal workforce. “We are a comparative steal, and we want to help clean it up too,” Kelley said.​

Putting people in harm’s way​

Musk has done this kind of thing before – and it’s led to real danger for the people named.​
Missy Cummings angered Musk when she was appointed a senior advisor at the NHTSA because her research and public comments were critical of Tesla’s driver-assist programs and she had called for regulating the systems.​
Musk targeted Cummings on what was then called Twitter, and his legions of fans followed.​
In an interview, Cummings said she received a torrent of attacks, including death threats, and had to temporarily relocate before she eventually moved.​
Cummings said she already knows of federal employees who “have dedicated their lives to civil service,” already quitting their jobs in anticipation of what’s to come.​
“He intended for them, for people just like this, to be intimidated and just go ahead and quit so he didn’t have to fire them. So his plan, to some extent, is working,” she said.​
CNN reached out to multiple experts and academics who specialize in cyber harassment, doxing and online abuse. But several declined to comment on the record for fear of themselves becoming Musk’s targets.​
“What has happened has an incredible and horrific chilling effect,” one of them said.​
Another said they are “not surprised” with Musk’s re-posts, adding they are an example of a “classic pattern” of cyber harassment.​
What do you think?2.3K comments have been posted​
Ramaswamy did not directly respond to questions about singling out individual federal employees but told CNN: “Most federal employees, like most human beings, are fundamentally good people and deserve to be treated with respect, but the real problem is the bureaucracy.”​
“Our opponent is not any particular individual. Our opponent is the bureaucracy,” he added.​
In a follow-up post, the Fentasyl account, which itself is anonymous, wrote: “It goes without saying that you should not harass someone solely because they hold a senior government plum job that should probably not exist,” the account posted. “But senior government officials are not mere rank-and-file employees. We deserve to know who is running our government & what they do.”​
Cummings, who was also one of the first female fighter pilots in the US Navy, said she felt an obligation to speak out.​
“Somebody has got to speak out,” she said. “I’m just not going to let him win on this point.”
Wow, that's a lot of fear....I'm confused because Tumbleweed just told me that y'all aren't scared of us....Hmmmm, strange....
 
Yup. NewsVine is going on about “terrifying people” - when they are being given two months’ notice AND will get a generous termination package.

Most people get called into HR, told they are getting two weeks’ severance, and directed to clear their desk and leave the premises.

Why these liberals think that government workers who have gotten away with “working” from home a few hours a day are entitled to more than the people who PAY THEIR SALARIES is just another example of misplaced loyalties.
And workers are supposed to give employers 2 weeks notice when quitting? Surely not. Most HR departments have a hatred for I r even their best employees.
 

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