Electric Car Sales Double

[Indofred]

I visited a test house at a local university last week.

No electricity cable going into the house but it had air conditioning, fans, TV and everything else you'd expect in any standard building.

The lighting was very low power but highly efficient low voltage LEDs and the rest of the kit was the lowest power units available.
The electricity was generated by solar and wind with battery backup.

Electricity bill - Zero, nothing, not a sausage.
Pollution - the same - none.

The set up costs were terrible but that's experimental units for you. Common technology becomes cheap as this will in time.

The same will apply to electric cars as time goes on but we may well see solar panels charging the car so less or no need to plug it in.

 

[westwall]

The Tesla's are kicking ass at present. The Tesla S performance, 4.2, 0 to 60 mph, 134 mph top end, is excellent, and the quality is equal or better than any car in it's class. Total battery change can be done in 90 seconds, so upgrading to a much higher capacity battery as they are developed will not be a problem in the future. One can expect to see their 250 mile range Tesla converted to a 500 to 1000 mile range vehicle in the near future.

Let's see it in a race. How about the 24 hours of Le Mans? That would be a good test of the technology.

 

[westwall]

Not bad for a tech that is still growing into its own. Wait another 8-10 years and the electric car will be kicking its ass.

Maybe.... You forget they are upgrading the ICE cars too..

And the cost of fuel continues to rise. While the cost of a home PV system continues to fall. And hook a small generator on a trailer behind your EV, and you have unlimited range. Until the ongoing battery development creates EV's with 500 to 1000 mile range. And that will sooner rather than later.

Thanks to government interference at the behest of the investors in all those battery companies! I wonder how big a kickback Obama is getting?

 

[westwall]

The Tesla's are kicking ass at present. The Tesla S performance, 4.2, 0 to 60 mph, 134 mph top end, is excellent, and the quality is equal or better than any car in it's class. Total battery change can be done in 90 seconds, so upgrading to a much higher capacity battery as they are developed will not be a problem in the future. One can expect to see their 250 mile range Tesla converted to a 500 to 1000 mile range vehicle in the near future.

westwall wants Tesla -an American Company- to fail but-----but already Tesla has a 300 mile range on a one hour charge (IOW, about the same as a 15 gal, 20 MPG gas powered car) and-----and the cost is projected to cost about $35K (before rebates, credits and coupons) in 2014 and-----and a comparable gas powered sedan will cost about $57 bucks in fuel to travel 300 miles (15 gal X $3.80/gal = $57/tankful) OTOH, the Tesla will cost about 11¢/hour of charging (1 hour charge/fuel = 300 miles)


Give it up carbon suckers, every year alternative energies take over a higher and higher percentage of the energy market. Seems to me the smart thing to do would be, invest in this growth industry,
i.e. live cleaner, make money-----win-win.

To see how screwed up Republican/carbon suckers are, check out this
website Your Questions Answered | Tesla Motors
.

Wrong again. I want TESLA to succeed. But I want it to succeed on its own merits. Musk is a billionaire and yet he has received over 450 million from the public treasury.....paid for by people who will NEVER be able to afford one of his toys. Once again the poor are paying for the rich...doesn't that bother you even a little bit? You're a good socialist...it should bug the heck out of you..

No I want them to succeed and succeed big...but I want them to do it the old fashioned way. On merit.

 

[flacaltenn]

The Tesla's are kicking ass at present. The Tesla S performance, 4.2, 0 to 60 mph, 134 mph top end, is excellent, and the quality is equal or better than any car in it's class. Total battery change can be done in 90 seconds, so upgrading to a much higher capacity battery as they are developed will not be a problem in the future. One can expect to see their 250 mile range Tesla converted to a 500 to 1000 mile range vehicle in the near future.

westwall wants Tesla -an American Company- to fail but-----but already Tesla has a 300 mile range on a one hour charge (IOW, about the same as a 15 gal, 20 MPG gas powered car) and-----and the cost is projected to cost about $35K (before rebates, credits and coupons) in 2014 and-----and a comparable gas powered sedan will cost about $57 bucks in fuel to travel 300 miles (15 gal X $3.80/gal = $57/tankful) OTOH, the Tesla will cost about 11¢/hour of charging (1 hour charge/fuel = 300 miles)


Give it up carbon suckers, every year alternative energies take over a higher and higher percentage of the energy market. Seems to me the smart thing to do would be, invest in this growth industry,
i.e. live cleaner, make money-----win-win.

To see how screwed up Republican/carbon suckers are, check out this
website Your Questions Answered | Tesla Motors
.

So using the equivalent of 120 households of electricity to charge that Tesla in an hour has no implications for you?? Why am I being harrassed to pull 1W chargers out of the wall, while some millionaire tanks his trophy car with 120,000 Watts?

Where is that 120,000 Watts gonna come from?
What problem do you THINK you are solving here?

 

[RGR]

So using the equivalent of 120 households of electricity to charge that Tesla in an hour has no implications for you??

Now my that is a silly metric. As houses become more efficient, pretty soon you'll be able to declare " so using the equivalent of A MILLION households of electricity!!" and yet nothing changed except building codes requiring smart construction, better insulation, some PVs on the roof.

And guess what, as those houses use less, you can dump that electricity into the cars because the house won't need it any more!

This is great!

Why am I being harrassed to pull 1W chargers out of the wall, while some millionaire tanks his trophy car with 120,000 Watts?

So that the electricity which once was WASTED on the house can now be put to a good use...putting it into your Volt! Or Leaf! No one is REQUIRING you only buy top of the line, why do you think GM made both the Chevy and Cadillac brands? Chevy for the working stiff, Cadillac for the rich folks! So when Tesla gets bought by GM, they'll be able to do the same thing to the EV market, Volts for the working guys, and Tesla sports cars for the sports car rich folks!

It is a PERFECT business model!

Where is that 120,000 Watts gonna come from?

All those houses which don't need it anymore...obviously!

What problem do you THINK you are solving here?

The "idiot soccer mom burning liquid fuels to move her and little johnie down to the practice field while wasting a precious chemical feedstock" problem...again...OBVIOUSLY.

The sooner we put a stop to driving involving liquid fuels, the sooner we save the planet, become green, eco-fascists will stop burning down ski resorts, the world will be happier! Cheer up FlaCalTenn, the world will need electricity, we will just do better things with it!

 

[GHook93]

Of course, just double is only 47,000. 94,000 next year. 188,000 in two years, ect. LOL, the numbers get big very quickly.

How many car owners are there in the US? 180 mil? 190 mil? 200 mil? Either way you cut it the electric car has a long way to go, but I am excited sales are up. Electric cars are the wave of the future and the way the world can say FUCK YOU to OPEC, the Middle East and Russia!

 

[flacaltenn]

So using the equivalent of 120 households of electricity to charge that Tesla in an hour has no implications for you??

Now my that is a silly metric. As houses become more efficient, pretty soon you'll be able to declare " so using the equivalent of A MILLION households of electricity!!" and yet nothing changed except building codes requiring smart construction, better insulation, some PVs on the roof.

And guess what, as those houses use less, you can dump that electricity into the cars because the house won't need it any more!

This is great!

Why am I being harrassed to pull 1W chargers out of the wall, while some millionaire tanks his trophy car with 120,000 Watts?

So that the electricity which once was WASTED on the house can now be put to a good use...putting it into your Volt! Or Leaf! No one is REQUIRING you only buy top of the line, why do you think GM made both the Chevy and Cadillac brands? Chevy for the working stiff, Cadillac for the rich folks! So when Tesla gets bought by GM, they'll be able to do the same thing to the EV market, Volts for the working guys, and Tesla sports cars for the sports car rich folks!

It is a PERFECT business model!

Where is that 120,000 Watts gonna come from?

All those houses which don't need it anymore...obviously!

What problem do you THINK you are solving here?

The "idiot soccer mom burning liquid fuels to move her and little johnie down to the practice field while wasting a precious chemical feedstock" problem...again...OBVIOUSLY.

The sooner we put a stop to driving involving liquid fuels, the sooner we save the planet, become green, eco-fascists will stop burning down ski resorts, the world will be happier! Cheer up FlaCalTenn, the world will need electricity, we will just do better things with it!

It's NOT a stupid metric -- It's realistic H.S. math that's being ignored.

The Leaf and the Tesla roadster may have different battery capacities, but their efficiencies of operation are approx the same. The leaf goes 75 miles on about 30KWhrs.

That's 0.4KWhr/mile.. Every 2.5 mi you drive -- you use the equivalent of an hours worth of energy from America's average household. At 60 mph, you are burning an hours worth of home electricity every 2.5 minutes...

((Average hourly household is about 1KWhr to make the math easier.))

Now that doesn't take into account charging rates and the energy you need to push them to shorter times. A Tesla with a 300mi range -- has about a 120KWhr battery farm.

You charge that in an hour and the POWER REQUIRED FROM THE GRID is 120KWatts.
For an hour.. That's 120 households.

You lie like Tesla does about doing that in 15 minutes --- and you'd need generation capabilities of 480KWatts.. ((and a blast shelter)) See where this is going? Fast charging taxes the grid more than slow charging.

These are meaningful numbers that are wholly being ignored in the public discussion.
And saying that all this is gonna come from household savings is a cop-out to continue ignoring the implications..

That 75miles on a Leaf uses just over a DAY'S worth of your household energy. You're not gonna make that up pulling chargers out of the wall when not in use or going to heat pumps that no longer work when it's freezing outside..

 

[RGR]

That's 0.4KWhr/mile.. Every 2.5 mi you drive -- you use the equivalent of an hours worth of energy from America's average household. At 60 mph, you are burning an hours worth of home electricity every 2.5 minutes...

Well then what I said makes perfect sense, the more efficient the houses become, the more electricity we can pump into our cars! Certainly I have always thought it was neater doing burnouts in a car than mowing the lawn and doing things in the house, so we should put our efforts into the things we enjoy!

You lie like Tesla does about doing that in 15 minutes --- and you'd need generation capabilities of 480KWatts.. ((and a blast shelter)) See where this is going? Fast charging taxes the grid more than slow charging.

I don't charge my Volt fast. Slow and steady at 120V does it for me. So does that make me better, in the eyes of the utility?

That 75miles on a Leaf uses just over a DAY'S worth of your household energy. You're not gonna make that up pulling chargers out of the wall when not in use or going to heat pumps that no longer work when it's freezing outside..

So if homes use half as much, every two homes which do this can then support charging a Tesla without any other changes? Again, I don't see the downside here? Certainly not 1 in 2 houses will have a Tesla, therefore we don't even need to cut house consumption in half, but only by 10% to create a Tesla charging capability for every 10 homes!

That sounds pretty reasonable...?

 

[flacaltenn]

That's 0.4KWhr/mile.. Every 2.5 mi you drive -- you use the equivalent of an hours worth of energy from America's average household. At 60 mph, you are burning an hours worth of home electricity every 2.5 minutes...

Well then what I said makes perfect sense, the more efficient the houses become, the more electricity we can pump into our cars! Certainly I have always thought it was neater doing burnouts in a car than mowing the lawn and doing things in the house, so we should put our efforts into the things we enjoy!

You lie like Tesla does about doing that in 15 minutes --- and you'd need generation capabilities of 480KWatts.. ((and a blast shelter)) See where this is going? Fast charging taxes the grid more than slow charging.

I don't charge my Volt fast. Slow and steady at 120V does it for me. So does that make me better, in the eyes of the utility?

That 75miles on a Leaf uses just over a DAY'S worth of your household energy. You're not gonna make that up pulling chargers out of the wall when not in use or going to heat pumps that no longer work when it's freezing outside..

So if homes use half as much, every two homes which do this can then support charging a Tesla without any other changes? Again, I don't see the downside here? Certainly not 1 in 2 houses will have a Tesla, therefore we don't even need to cut house consumption in half, but only by 10% to create a Tesla charging capability for every 10 homes!

That sounds pretty reasonable...?

When the public discussion starts accounting for the real numbers involved -- it starts to be reasonable..

You're not gonna be able to control "fast charging" other than commercial providers charging a premium for the boost. If this plan goes forward as concieved, fast charging will astronomically effect the grid demand during peak commute hours.

And you're way too optimistic about cutting household use in half.. I'm already stuck with a govt designed heat pump that is useless and curly bulbs that are now obsolete and make my home look like Kmart lighting.

You ridden that "conservation" pony pretty far down the trail pardner..

 

[mamooth]

You're not gonna be able to control "fast charging" other than commercial providers charging a premium for the boost. If this plan goes forward as concieved, fast charging will astronomically effect the grid demand during peak commute hours.

In a world where grid improvements and smart charging are impossible, sure. But we're talking about the real world, not your fantasy world where every car is replaced by an electric tomorrow.

And you're way too optimistic about cutting household use in half.. I'm already stuck with a govt designed heat pump that is useless and curly bulbs that are now obsolete and make my home look like Kmart lighting.

Was there any point to that raving? Again, the real world is what matters, and efficiency standards in the real world have worked very well.

 

[Old Rocks]

The Tesla's are kicking ass at present. The Tesla S performance, 4.2, 0 to 60 mph, 134 mph top end, is excellent, and the quality is equal or better than any car in it's class. Total battery change can be done in 90 seconds, so upgrading to a much higher capacity battery as they are developed will not be a problem in the future. One can expect to see their 250 mile range Tesla converted to a 500 to 1000 mile range vehicle in the near future.

westwall wants Tesla -an American Company- to fail but-----but already Tesla has a 300 mile range on a one hour charge (IOW, about the same as a 15 gal, 20 MPG gas powered car) and-----and the cost is projected to cost about $35K (before rebates, credits and coupons) in 2014 and-----and a comparable gas powered sedan will cost about $57 bucks in fuel to travel 300 miles (15 gal X $3.80/gal = $57/tankful) OTOH, the Tesla will cost about 11¢/hour of charging (1 hour charge/fuel = 300 miles)


Give it up carbon suckers, every year alternative energies take over a higher and higher percentage of the energy market. Seems to me the smart thing to do would be, invest in this growth industry,
i.e. live cleaner, make money-----win-win.

To see how screwed up Republican/carbon suckers are, check out this
website Your Questions Answered | Tesla Motors
.

Wrong again. I want TESLA to succeed. But I want it to succeed on its own merits. Musk is a billionaire and yet he has received over 450 million from the public treasury.....paid for by people who will NEVER be able to afford one of his toys. Once again the poor are paying for the rich...doesn't that bother you even a little bit? You're a good socialist...it should bug the heck out of you..

No I want them to succeed and succeed big...but I want them to do it the old fashioned way. On merit.

Once again you lie by failing to include the whole story. Tesla has paid back that loan in full, including interest. It was a damned good investment. We now have this nation producing the premier electric car.

When they started building the transcontinental railroad, who do you think provided the money? Yes, the government does help introduce technologies that we need to get off of the ground. From aviation to interstate highways.

 

[RGR]

When the public discussion starts accounting for the real numbers involved -- it starts to be reasonable..

Some of us are already doing just that! And really enjoying our freedom from funding the jihadists of the world as well!

You're not gonna be able to control "fast charging" other than commercial providers charging a premium for the boost. If this plan goes forward as concieved, fast charging will astronomically effect the grid demand during peak commute hours.

Maybe. Or during off-peak hours when they charge at home. In either case, I imagine all of this will get worked out just the same way gasoline distribution to tens of thousands of distribution points spanning America and Canada in some period of time.

And you're way too optimistic about cutting household use in half.. I'm already stuck with a govt designed heat pump that is useless and curly bulbs that are now obsolete and make my home look like Kmart lighting.

I recommend membership on the local planning commission to make sure codes get done right! And the beauty of conservation is, they can demand you install any old thing, but they can't make you turn it on! So do your part, refuse to use the heat pump, open some windows and breath the still free air!

And buy an EV to stop funding jihadists!

You ridden that "conservation" pony pretty far down the trail pardner..

Maybe. But then I've also lived it, and if some half assed non-handy gizmo geek like me can get it done without undue stress, no reason most other people can't as well.

 

[PredFan]

Yup. Sold one last year, sold two this year. Double sales! Yay!

 

[Star]

westwall wants Tesla -an American Company- to fail but-----but already Tesla has a 300 mile range on a one hour charge (IOW, about the same as a 15 gal, 20 MPG gas powered car) and-----and the cost is projected to cost about $35K (before rebates, credits and coupons) in 2014 and-----and a comparable gas powered sedan will cost about $57 bucks in fuel to travel 300 miles (15 gal X $3.80/gal = $57/tankful) OTOH, the Tesla will cost about 11¢/hour of charging (1 hour charge/fuel = 300 miles)


Give it up carbon suckers, every year alternative energies take over a higher and higher percentage of the energy market. Seems to me the smart thing to do would be, invest in this growth industry,
i.e. live cleaner, make money-----win-win.

To see how screwed up Republican/carbon suckers are, check out this
website Your Questions Answered | Tesla Motors
.

Wrong again. I want TESLA to succeed. But I want it to succeed on its own merits. Musk is a billionaire and yet he has received over 450 million from the public treasury.....paid for by people who will NEVER be able to afford one of his toys. Once again the poor are paying for the rich...doesn't that bother you even a little bit? You're a good socialist...it should bug the heck out of you..

No I want them to succeed and succeed big...but I want them to do it the old fashioned way. On merit.

Once again you lie by failing to include the whole story. Tesla has paid back that loan in full, including interest. It was a damned good investment. We now have this nation producing the premier electric car.

When they started building the transcontinental railroad, who do you think provided the money? Yes, the government does help introduce technologies that we need to get off of the ground. From aviation to interstate highways.

Just a guess but-----but I'm guessing most EV's have GPS-----GPS invented by government
research, not to mention the research ordered by the Dick Nixon into highway aerodynamics which is used to improve fuel efficiency and-----and of course the internet we're using to tell Republicans their anti-American government rants make them nuttier than fruitcakes was in it's infancy funded by-----funded by... wait for it-----government. And if you're wearing scratch resistant glasses while surfing the internet -- thank the government.

Self described Republicans are-----are obviously, ideologically challenged.
.

 

[westwall]

Wrong again. I want TESLA to succeed. But I want it to succeed on its own merits. Musk is a billionaire and yet he has received over 450 million from the public treasury.....paid for by people who will NEVER be able to afford one of his toys. Once again the poor are paying for the rich...doesn't that bother you even a little bit? You're a good socialist...it should bug the heck out of you..

No I want them to succeed and succeed big...but I want them to do it the old fashioned way. On merit.

Once again you lie by failing to include the whole story. Tesla has paid back that loan in full, including interest. It was a damned good investment. We now have this nation producing the premier electric car.

When they started building the transcontinental railroad, who do you think provided the money? Yes, the government does help introduce technologies that we need to get off of the ground. From aviation to interstate highways.

Just a guess but-----but I'm guessing most EV's have GPS-----GPS invented by government
research, not to mention the research ordered by the Dick Nixon into highway aerodynamics which is used to improve fuel efficiency and-----and of course the internet we're using to tell Republicans their anti-American government rants make them nuttier than fruitcakes was in it's infancy funded by-----funded by... wait for it-----government. And if you're wearing scratch resistant glasses while surfing the internet -- thank the government.

Self described Republicans are-----are obviously, ideologically challenged.
.

Of course your problem is I'M NOT A REPUBLICAN! I'M a DEMOCRAT! You're just as factually challenged as olfraud I see.

 

[flacaltenn]

When the public discussion starts accounting for the real numbers involved -- it starts to be reasonable..

Some of us are already doing just that! And really enjoying our freedom from funding the jihadists of the world as well!

You're not gonna be able to control "fast charging" other than commercial providers charging a premium for the boost. If this plan goes forward as concieved, fast charging will astronomically effect the grid demand during peak commute hours.

Maybe. Or during off-peak hours when they charge at home. In either case, I imagine all of this will get worked out just the same way gasoline distribution to tens of thousands of distribution points spanning America and Canada in some period of time.

And you're way too optimistic about cutting household use in half.. I'm already stuck with a govt designed heat pump that is useless and curly bulbs that are now obsolete and make my home look like Kmart lighting.

I recommend membership on the local planning commission to make sure codes get done right! And the beauty of conservation is, they can demand you install any old thing, but they can't make you turn it on! So do your part, refuse to use the heat pump, open some windows and breath the still free air!

And buy an EV to stop funding jihadists!

You ridden that "conservation" pony pretty far down the trail pardner..

Maybe. But then I've also lived it, and if some half assed non-handy gizmo geek like me can get it done without undue stress, no reason most other people can't as well.

That's some funny laid back chit right there.. LMAO...
"you don't have to turn them on.. "... ROFLing.

You've gotten a lot more tolerable since Gungha hit the Colorado market son....
Light one up for me -- will ya?

 

[GHook93]

westwall wants Tesla -an American Company- to fail but-----but already Tesla has a 300 mile range on a one hour charge (IOW, about the same as a 15 gal, 20 MPG gas powered car) and-----and the cost is projected to cost about $35K (before rebates, credits and coupons) in 2014 and-----and a comparable gas powered sedan will cost about $57 bucks in fuel to travel 300 miles (15 gal X $3.80/gal = $57/tankful) OTOH, the Tesla will cost about 11¢/hour of charging (1 hour charge/fuel = 300 miles)


Give it up carbon suckers, every year alternative energies take over a higher and higher percentage of the energy market. Seems to me the smart thing to do would be, invest in this growth industry,
i.e. live cleaner, make money-----win-win.

To see how screwed up Republican/carbon suckers are, check out this
website Your Questions Answered | Tesla Motors
.

Wrong again. I want TESLA to succeed. But I want it to succeed on its own merits. Musk is a billionaire and yet he has received over 450 million from the public treasury.....paid for by people who will NEVER be able to afford one of his toys. Once again the poor are paying for the rich...doesn't that bother you even a little bit? You're a good socialist...it should bug the heck out of you..

No I want them to succeed and succeed big...but I want them to do it the old fashioned way. On merit.

Once again you lie by failing to include the whole story. Tesla has paid back that loan in full, including interest. It was a damned good investment. We now have this nation producing the premier electric car.

When they started building the transcontinental railroad, who do you think provided the money? Yes, the government does help introduce technologies that we need to get off of the ground. From aviation to interstate highways.

They did it ahead of schedule also.

 

[westwall]

Wrong again. I want TESLA to succeed. But I want it to succeed on its own merits. Musk is a billionaire and yet he has received over 450 million from the public treasury.....paid for by people who will NEVER be able to afford one of his toys. Once again the poor are paying for the rich...doesn't that bother you even a little bit? You're a good socialist...it should bug the heck out of you..

No I want them to succeed and succeed big...but I want them to do it the old fashioned way. On merit.

Once again you lie by failing to include the whole story. Tesla has paid back that loan in full, including interest. It was a damned good investment. We now have this nation producing the premier electric car.

When they started building the transcontinental railroad, who do you think provided the money? Yes, the government does help introduce technologies that we need to get off of the ground. From aviation to interstate highways.

They did it ahead of schedule also.

And, what do we find when we actually look into the claims????? Why this.... of course...how very unsurprising.....

"The latest round of Tesla wonderment came when it reported its first quarterly profit earlier this month. TSLA stock darned near doubled in a week. Musk then borrowed $150 million from Goldman Sachs (shocking!) and floated a cool billion in new stock and long-term debt. That’s how we—the taxpayers—were repaid.
Tesla didn’t generate a profit by selling sexy cars, but rather by selling sleazy emissions “credits,” mandated by the state of California’s electric vehicle requirements. The competition, like Honda, doesn’t have a mass market plug-in to meet the mandate and therefore must buy the credits from Tesla, the only company that does. The bill for last quarter was $68 million.

Absent this shakedown of potential car buyers, Tesla would have lost $57 million, or $11,400 per car. As the company sold 5,000 cars in the quarter, though, $13,600 per car was paid by other manufacturers, who are going to pass at least some of that cost on to buyers of their products. Folks in the new car market are likely paying a bit more than simply the direct tax subsidy."


How Tesla Motors Really Makes Money? From Taxpayers | FrontPage Magazine

 

[Quantum Windbag]

They doubled? Does that mean they finally broke into 3 figures?