Election Reform

[candycorn]

When you have 120M people involved, you'll have some people who are not honest.

Yes you will have some that are dishoest and most of them won’t get caught with our pandemic rules voting methods. You guys act as if there were actually only 1200 cases of fraud with 140 million votes cast. That is complete nonsense. That would be complete nonsense even with voter ID and in person voting.

The point is that since “some” people will be dishonest, we need to limit their opportunities to be so. Have in person voting and require an ID. It really isn’t much to ask.

And we do limit their opportunities as the near zero cases of fraud and near zero arrests indicate.

multiple states have been using mail in voting exclusively for years. About the same amount of fraud in the restrictive states.

You got nothing.

 

[candycorn]

Here we go again. From, “we have totally secure elections” to “well it’s only 66 illegal votes”.

It’s tells us everything we need to know that you’re cool with 66 illegal votes (I would be ok with even one).

66 votes out of hundreds of millions? Um, yeah, most industries don't have that low of a defect rate.

The question is, how many legitimate votes are you willing to throw out to try to get rid of those small number of supposedly illegal votes? Probably a lot, given you target minorities and the poor with your measures.

Yeah, only 66 votes were illegal out of 140 million. Common sense tells you that if 66 people can easily get away with scamming the system, many more can and likely did as well. If there is well known(by hackers) security hole in a computer system holding sensitive data but only one hacker can actually be identified, do you make the assumption that he is the only one that obtained access to the sensitive data or that perhaps the others covered their tracks? Maybe if you are a Democrat you do, but the rest of us aren’t so naive.

read the link.

the 66 votes were in June, not November

 

[SweetTea]

But nope, you want to make it harder for people who legitimately want to vote because someone MIGHT cheat the system. That's... kind of nuts.

You want to make it easier for those that MIGHT cheat the system to cheat the system. Any voting rule in theory makes it harder to vote, but if there aren’t any rules, then voting doesn’t matter. The number one rule should be to enforce 1 vote per eligible citizen. The only way to enforce that rule is to require that a person proves who they say they are. It isn’t complicated, but evidently, according to your side, there are too many Democrats who just can’t make this happen. Funny, because on the other hand it is us Trump supporters who are, according to you, stupid and poor but you don’t hear us complaining about voter I’d limiting out ability vote. Let me give a a hint, it is because Republicans are by and large the responsible folks. You party has a HUGE subsection that isn’t and thus they will be disenfranchised if they have to do virtually anything to vote other than check a box. Your politicians know it and so do you deep down, which is why you fight for such nonsense.

Except you guys haven't proven vote fraud is happening, and Bill Barr admitted that the elections were fair. So did the cyber security guy. Trump fired them both.

They did prove it happened. You don’t need to find every vote to show that it is happening. If you only find $10 in the car of a bank robber, despite having him on video tape running out of the bank with mask, a gun and carrying a black bag with bills hanging out of it, that doesn’t mean he only stole $10. Common sense is a trait indoctrinated lemmings lost a long time ago. I guess that explain why so many losers continute to vote for the Democratic party.

You mean you guys can't lie to your deluded supporters? That would be awful.

Lie? You mean like say that Hunter Biden‘s laptop has some pretty revealing things on it? LOL..just because you don’t want to believe it is true, doesn’t make it so.

You are FULLY indoctrinated. You are lied to on a daily basis by the MSM, but you don’t even realize it. Democrats LOVE your kind.

Except he wasn't elected. The people said No. But hey, this weird system devised by dead slave rapists allowed him to win, so let's go with that. And then let's leave him in office despite manifest unfitness for office.

No, the people said yes. There you go again wanting to change the rules because you didn’t get your way. The electoral college was a brilliant idea by our founding fathers. It limits group think lemmings in large cities from running the entire country.

No, that would be pointless. Most of them didnt' work out because they were injured

Factually wrong.

Meanwhile, nobody buys a product because they like the CEO. They buy a product because the people who make it are good at their jobs.

The best player won’t succeed without a good coach and good play calling. A good CEO plans the direction of the company. If he chooses the wrong route, it doesn’t matter how well the widget is made by the employee, it won’t sell and the company goes under. There are many that are capable of making said widget, but not as many who can make the call as to which widget will sell. I see why you are not in upper management. You don’t understand business at all.

 

[candycorn]

Here we go again. From, “we have totally secure elections” to “well it’s only 66 illegal votes”.

It’s tells us everything we need to know that you’re cool with 66 illegal votes (I would be ok with even one).

66 votes out of hundreds of millions? Um, yeah, most industries don't have that low of a defect rate.

The question is, how many legitimate votes are you willing to throw out to try to get rid of those small number of supposedly illegal votes? Probably a lot, given you target minorities and the poor with your measures.

It was during an election in June; not the general

 

[SweetTea]

When you have 120M people involved, you'll have some people who are not honest.

Yes you will have some that are dishoest and most of them won’t get caught with our pandemic rules voting methods. You guys act as if there were actually only 1200 cases of fraud with 140 million votes cast. That is complete nonsense. That would be complete nonsense even with voter ID and in person voting.

The point is that since “some” people will be dishonest, we need to limit their opportunities to be so. Have in person voting and require an ID. It really isn’t much to ask.

And we do limit their opportunities as the near zero cases of fraud and near zero arrests indicate.

multiple states have been using mail in voting exclusively for years. About the same amount of fraud in the restrictive states.

You got nothing.

We do not limit their opportunities, but there is no appetite by the left to investigate any of them and due to the nature of the system it is very difficult to prove it is mass because each individual case would have to be investigated and that is not feasible. This is exactly why the Democrats LOVE the system. There is a simple fix, but the Democrats want no part of it, in fact, they are doing everything they can to make it LESS secure, particularly in states like CA. The illegals flooding into the country now are potential votes for Democrats and the politicians know it.

 

[GMCGeneral]

As with most problems we face, the solutions are quite simple. Here is all we need to do:

1. Eliminate all campaign finance. Not a single $1 permitted for a campaign
2. Eliminate party affiliations on ballots
3. Moved to a “ranked-choice” ballot (but with different “scoring”)
4. Secure elections and arrange for transparent audits

That’s it. That’s all it takes to solve all of our problems with regards to politicians. These steps will ensure better candidates, a better informed electorate, and restore faith in our election process.

Actually-

1) Ban big money, dark money and other buying of politicians. Transfer of wealth is not speech.
2) Get rid of Gerrymandering
3) Get rid of the Electoral College
4) Shorten the election to only a few months. No reason why it should take a year to do this.
5) Allow mail in ballots universally.
6) Move voting day to a Saturday or make it a holiday.

When will you far Left loons learn? Doing away with the EC ensures leftist shitholes get ALL the say in the Presidential contests.

 

[candycorn]

1. Eliminate all campaign finance. Not a single $1 permitted for a campaign
2. Eliminate party affiliations on ballots
3. Moved to a “ranked-choice” ballot (but with different “scoring”)
4. Secure elections and arrange for transparent audits

1. Fine with me but probably not realistic. I think limiting finances would be more realistic.
2. Fine with me but now you run into a problem of voters knowing very little of what their candidate stands for considering the lack of campaign finances.
3. 100% agree. Ranked choice voting is the way to go.
4. Fine with me but it won’t matter. I think our system is fine as it is. I also think that half the country is going to whine fraud regardless when their candidate loses.

Ranked choice is nonsense to me. Someone who is everyone’s second choice could beat a first choice...right?

 

[SweetTea]

As with most problems we face, the solutions are quite simple. Here is all we need to do:

1. Eliminate all campaign finance. Not a single $1 permitted for a campaign
2. Eliminate party affiliations on ballots
3. Moved to a “ranked-choice” ballot (but with different “scoring”)
4. Secure elections and arrange for transparent audits

That’s it. That’s all it takes to solve all of our problems with regards to politicians. These steps will ensure better candidates, a better informed electorate, and restore faith in our election process.

Actually-

1) Ban big money, dark money and other buying of politicians. Transfer of wealth is not speech.
2) Get rid of Gerrymandering
3) Get rid of the Electoral College
4) Shorten the election to only a few months. No reason why it should take a year to do this.
5) Allow mail in ballots universally.
6) Move voting day to a Saturday or make it a holiday.

When will you far Left loons learn? Doing away with the EC ensures leftist shitholes get ALL the say in the Presidential contests.

They know this. JoeB is under the impression that he lives in paradise near Chicago and those of us in poor ole red states all live in double-wides. He wants everyone to experience his paradise. He actually doesn’t realize how bad he has it compared to most red counties in red states. It is both funny and a little sad.

 

[GMCGeneral]

As with most problems we face, the solutions are quite simple. Here is all we need to do:

1. Eliminate all campaign finance. Not a single $1 permitted for a campaign
2. Eliminate party affiliations on ballots
3. Moved to a “ranked-choice” ballot (but with different “scoring”)
4. Secure elections and arrange for transparent audits

That’s it. That’s all it takes to solve all of our problems with regards to politicians. These steps will ensure better candidates, a better informed electorate, and restore faith in our election process.

Actually-

1) Ban big money, dark money and other buying of politicians. Transfer of wealth is not speech.
2) Get rid of Gerrymandering
3) Get rid of the Electoral College
4) Shorten the election to only a few months. No reason why it should take a year to do this.
5) Allow mail in ballots universally.
6) Move voting day to a Saturday or make it a holiday.

When will you far Left loons learn? Doing away with the EC ensures leftist shitholes get ALL the say in the Presidential contests.

They know this. JoeB is under the impression that he lives in paradise near Chicago and those of us in poor ole red states all live in double-wides. He wants everyone to experience his paradise. He actually doesn’t realize how bad he has it compared to most red counties in red states. It is both funny and a little sad.

FWIW, Liberals also don't realize that red states have a far lower cost of living than their socialist utopias that are riddled with high crime and corruption.

 

[Flash]

The best election reform - outlaw the filthy dishonest Democrat Party.

 

[JoeB131]

You want to make it easier for those that MIGHT cheat the system to cheat the system. Any voting rule in theory makes it harder to vote, but if there aren’t any rules, then voting doesn’t matter. The number one rule should be to enforce 1 vote per eligible citizen. The only way to enforce that rule is to require that a person proves who they say they are. It isn’t complicated, but evidently, according to your side, there are too many Democrats who just can’t make this happen.

Actually, you can do that without denying people their right to vote. You have a voter roll. You go up and say your name. they check the list, your name is on the list. You mail in a ballot, they check if your name is on the list. This isn't complicated.

Unless you want to make it complicated.

I mean, in principle, Poll taxes and Literacy Tests "sound" nice. Until you realize what their purpose was.

It's a simple equation. Eliminating 100 legitimate votes to stop one invalid vote isn't practical. Especially when you can't really prove that one invalid vote is even happening to start with.

Funny, because on the other hand it is us Trump supporters who are, according to you, stupid and poor but you don’t hear us complaining about voter I’d limiting out ability vote. Let me give a a hint, it is because Republicans are by and large the responsible folks. You party has a HUGE subsection that isn’t and thus they will be disenfranchised if they have to do virtually anything to vote other than check a box. Your politicians know it and so do you deep down, which is why you fight for such nonsense.

Actually, you guys are stupid, because you keep voting to let the rich screw you. because they learned long ago you are happy as long as you have a little more than the Darkies. It's how they got you guys to catch bullets in the Civil war, it's how they get you to screw yourselves over now.

Voter ID. Brought to you by the same people who brought you Poll Taxes and Literacy tests.

They did prove it happened. You don’t need to find every vote to show that it is happening. If you only find $10 in the car of a bank robber, despite having him on video tape running out of the bank with mask, a gun and carrying a black bag with bills hanging out of it, that doesn’t mean he only stole $10. Common sense is a trait indoctrinated lemmings lost a long time ago. I guess that explain why so many losers continute to vote for the Democratic party.

Uh, guy, you really want to use that analogy. They hanged a German Immigrant for killing the Lindbergh baby on the dubious evidence that he had some bills of the ransom money. The consensus today is that he didn't do it.

Richard Hauptmann - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Common sense is you actually present evidence before you do something. You guys have been making claims about 'voter fraud" ever since it was pretty clear you guys can't win honest elections where everyone votes. What we haven't seen in the last 20 years of these claims is any evidence it happens on a widespread scale or even a small scale.

Lie? You mean like say that Hunter Biden‘s laptop has some pretty revealing things on it? LOL..just because you don’t want to believe it is true, doesn’t make it so.

Again, you have that little problem of evidence. If the laptop was seized from Hunter's home, then that would be valid evidence. It wasn't. Someone who claims Hunter dropped them off, and then claims that he for some reason started looking at the files inside (which you don't do for a repair, usually) claims to have found supposedly incriminating stuff that Russian Agents had been trying to sell a year before.

Lap tops have serial numbers on them. It should be no problem to track the serial numbers to the manufacturer and who they sold them to. Yet no one has been able to do that.

No, the people said yes. There you go again wanting to change the rules because you didn’t get your way. The electoral college was a brilliant idea by our founding fathers. It limits group think lemmings in large cities from running the entire country.

Most people in this country live in the cities... Hello. yes, you are all for democracy, except for the places people actually live.

The best player won’t succeed without a good coach and good play calling. A good CEO plans the direction of the company. If he chooses the wrong route, it doesn’t matter how well the widget is made by the employee, it won’t sell and the company goes under. There are many that are capable of making said widget, but not as many who can make the call as to which widget will sell. I see why you are not in upper management. You don’t understand business at all.

Yeah, I've been working at enough companies, and never saw a CEO who wasn't a clueless moron. The best ones were the ones who just let us get on with our jobs. There's really no excuse for a CEO to make eight figures, other than they have control of the cookie jar and can allot themselves the most cookies.

 

[JoeB131]

FWIW, Liberals also don't realize that red states have a far lower cost of living than their socialist utopias that are riddled with high crime and corruption.

They also have higher poverty rates, with is why Cleetus doesn't tell me what state he lives in.

 

[GMCGeneral]

FWIW, Liberals also don't realize that red states have a far lower cost of living than their socialist utopias that are riddled with high crime and corruption.

They also have higher poverty rates, with is why Cleetus doesn't tell me what state he lives in.

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Better that than getting assraped in taxes for worthless social programs that do nothing but breed more dependence on big daddy government.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Ranked choice is nonsense to me. Someone who is everyone’s second choice could beat a first choice...right?

We tend to agree on most things. I’m surprised we don’t agree on this.

I started a thread on this a while back. If you’re interested, I explained the reasons I support this idea here:

CDZ - Ranked Voting

Ranked voting. Why are we not using this? If you don't understand how this works, here's a short video explaining this idea. In my opinion, this simple idea would fix many of the issues in our political system. It simply baffles me why we're not using this. Here are some of the benefits...

www.usmessageboard.com

There’s also nice video that breaks down how it works.

 

[P@triot]

That standard simply doesn't exist in a free society.

What does freedom have to do with clean and fair elections? We could have that standard, but the left knows they will never win another election.

It's not that hard to ensure voter registration and then require ID at the polling location.

 

[P@triot]

2. Fine with me but now you run into a problem of voters knowing very little of what their candidate stands for considering the lack of campaign finances.

Not at all. Not in this era of social media, 24x7 news coverage, PBS/C-SPAN, and of course, old fashioned newspapers.

 

[P@triot]

66 votes out of hundreds of millions?

Uh...there were not "millions" of votes cast in that podunk little county.

 

[P@triot]

Your moronic "pretending" that there are "millions" of illegal votes cast is just fantasy.

I just did the math for you, CC

If a mere 66 fraudulent votes are cast in all 3,006 counties, that comes out to almost 200,000 fraudulent votes. And you know damn well that massive counties like LA county (population: over 10 million), there are exponentially more than 66 fraudulent votes cast.

 

[Desperado]

As with most problems we face, the solutions are quite simple. Here is all we need to do:

1. Eliminate all campaign finance. Not a single $1 permitted for a campaign
2. Eliminate party affiliations on ballots
3. Moved to a “ranked-choice” ballot (but with different “scoring”)
4. Secure elections and arrange for transparent audits

That’s it. That’s all it takes to solve all of our problems with regards to politicians. These steps will ensure better candidates, a better informed electorate, and restore faith in our election process.

#1 Agree
#2 Party Affiliations should be displayed prominently if not color coded
#3 Ranked Voting betrays the one person one vote system- No Way
#4 Agree

 

[candycorn]

Your moronic "pretending" that there are "millions" of illegal votes cast is just fantasy.

I just did the math for you, CC

If a mere 66 fraudulent votes are cast in all 3,006 counties, that comes out to almost 200,000 fraudulent votes. And you know damn well that massive counties like LA county (population: over 10 million), there are exponentially more than 66 fraudulent votes cast.

You are not doing math; you’re producing nonsense.

But using your fairy tale number; the percent of fraud ballots in a presidential election?

Again, we have the most secure elections on the planet. You keep proving my point.