Election Reform

[my2¢]

After these last 2 presidential elections my biggest concern is all the crying over the results by the losers.

 

[JoeB131]

People don’t claim their vote was stolen if they don’t ever try to vote. In case you weren’t aware, most people don’t vote. You have better than a 50/50 shot of the name you are picking not voting.

But that's the point. Even 50/50, you have a good chance of getting caught. You guys haven't caught anyone, yet.

Maybe they would get an ID if they needed to vote. If it was important to them they would.. Much like if they want to fly, be able to get into an over 21 night-club and a multitude of other simple pleasures.

Nobody has carded me in a bar in years... not sure what your point here is.

Yes, because unlike you pollyannas, we aren’t stupid. More government control with national ids will lead to less privacy and government suppression. Take a look around the world. Why on earth would you want to give the government more control over you. I guess this is the natural progression of things when you worship government instead of God.

Uh, guy, corporate America has more information on us than the government does. We gleefully give it to them. You all worry about the government putting a microchip in your ass to locate you, but you already have several corporate ones in you Cell phone and credit cards. We worry about the government spying on us, then we spew our innermost thoughts on Social Media.

The difference between God and Government is that Government exists. I ask for government help, I either get it or I get a reason why I don't.

No, it isn’t. We aren’t Socialists, yet. There will ALWAYS be winners in losers in a society where hard work and ingenuity is rewarded. What you seem to want is a society where we are all equally rewarded. The everybody gets a trophy syndrome.

There would be no trophies at all... Just everyone getting fairly rewarded for their labor.

Frankly, I don't want a trophy, What I want is to be able to put in a 40 hour week and be fairly compensated for my time and labor. That's...you know, actually reasonable.

 

[DBA]

But that's the point. Even 50/50, you have a good chance of getting caught. You guys haven't caught anyone, yet

It is not 50/50. Even an imbecile could could figure out that using a name of a person in a nursing home with demenital would be a safe bet. What happens when everyone is registered when they get a drivers license? That would make it even easier. Here is an idea. Make people prove they are who they say they are before voting. Novel concept.

Nobody has carded me in a bar in years... not sure what your point here is.

That is because you are clearly over the age of 21. There is no way to clearly determine that someone is who they say they are unless they provide proof.

h, guy, corporate America has more information on us than the government does. We gleefully give it to them. You all worry about the government putting a microchip in your ass to locate you, but you already have several corporate ones in you Cell phone and credit cards. We worry about the government spying on us, then we spew our innermost thoughts on Social Media.

The difference between God and Government is that Government exists. I ask for government help, I either get it or I get a reason why I don't

Our current administration is in kaboots with big tech. That should scare normal folks, but Democrats are no longer normal folks.

Your dismissal of God is your problem. Governement doesn’t care one iota about you, only their bottom line. The sooner you figure that out, the better all of us will be as we will not have to suffer their wrath.

There would be no trophies at all... Just everyone getting fairly rewarded for their labor.

Frankly, I don't want a trophy, What I want is to be able to put in a 40 hour week and be fairly compensated for my time and labor. That's...you know, actually reasonable.

In a Capitalistic society, we are fairly rewarded based on our strengths and our effort. I don’t hear Democrats complaining too much about pro athletes salaries, only CEO and owner salaries. I wonder why that is? You see, maybe Patrick Mahomes is worth 500 million because that is what the owner decided to pay him. The owner clearly determined that he cann’t find another guy that can do what Mahomes does for 50k/yr. If he could, he would hire that guy instead. That exact sentiment goes all the way down to the guy emptying the trash. Why would a business owner want to pay that guy a high salary when he is a dime a dozen? In fact, he may be replaced by a robot who can do the same job, doesn’t need benefits, doesn’t complain and works 24/7 365 days per year. Every wage isn’t meant to be a living wage. People need to gain some skills that make them at least somewhat unique and their salary will not so magically increase.

 

[JoeB131]

It is not 50/50. Even an imbecile could could figure out that using a name of a person in a nursing home with demenital would be a safe bet. What happens when everyone is registered when they get a drivers license? That would make it even easier. Here is an idea. Make people prove they are who they say they are before voting. Novel concept.

Again, the problem with that is, someone is going to check up to see if Granny Dementia actually voted or not. If there was actual vote fraud, which you guys have been claiming but haven't proven one case of.

That is because you are clearly over the age of 21. There is no way to clearly determine that someone is who they say they are unless they provide proof.

But you see, that's the point. Like literacy tests and poll taxes, they would be selectively enforced. Sure, you look fine, but you we are going to have to card. Sure you look like a nice respectable Republican voter, but man, that guy from the hood, we better card him and put his ballot in the provisional pile anyway.

Our current administration is in kaboots with big tech. That should scare normal folks, but Democrats are no longer normal folks.

Right. You guys have big tech now because they took out Trump after they created him to start with.

Your dismissal of God is your problem. Governement doesn’t care one iota about you, only their bottom line. The sooner you figure that out, the better all of us will be as we will not have to suffer their wrath.

First, government workers are like any other worker... They really do want to do a good job and a lot of them got into it to help people. I think most people who run for office do it because they want to do some good.

And, no rejecting bronze age fairy tales is not a problem.

In a Capitalistic society, we are fairly rewarded based on our strengths and our effort.

Wow? Really? I'm sorry, have you heard Trump Speak? The guy's a fucking moron. But he was a moron born with a silver spoon in his mouth.

I don’t hear Democrats complaining too much about pro athletes salaries, only CEO and owner salaries. I wonder why that is? You see, maybe Patrick Mahomes is worth 500 million because that is what the owner decided to pay him.

Because the stars actually make the difference. CEO's, not so much, and they insist on the 8 figure salaries even when they fail miserably. SHit, the CEO of GM ran the company into the ground, had to get a government bailout and STILL insisted he was worth 8 figures.

 

[P@triot]

So you got nothing. As was known before you got started.

Ohhh...look at the headlines today! 78% were fraudulent. Keep pretending, CC.

Judge Orders New Election After 78 Percent of Mail-In Ballots Found Invalid, Notary Arrested

www.theepochtimes.com

 

[candycorn]

So you got nothing. As was known before you got started.

Ohhh...look at the headlines today! 78% were fraudulent. Keep pretending, CC.

Judge Orders New Election After 78 Percent of Mail-In Ballots Found Invalid, Notary Arrested

www.theepochtimes.com

Ahh, the Epoch times.

You were doing well until you had to bring out the crazy-for-koko-puffs conspiracy site.

The total number of fraudulent ballots--FROM YOUR SITE--66. In a local election. From June 2020.

You got to do better than that.

 

[JoeB131]

Ohhh...look at the headlines today! 78% were fraudulent. Keep pretending, CC.

Oooh, look the Epoch Times...

Did Biden win Mississippi?

 

[DBA]

Again, the problem with that is, someone is going to check up to see if Granny Dementia actually voted or not. If there was actual vote fraud, which you guys have been claiming but haven't proven one case of.

It is a very safe bet than a demented invalid in nursing home would not be voting particularly if she would have to REQUEST a mail in ballot. In-person voting along with required voter ID solves these issues, but Democrats absolutely LOVE the pandemic rules voting method because it is SO easy to fabricate votes. There is a reason ”election reform” is HR1. Democrats want the fix for all future elections. Not surprisingly, lemmings don’t understand the threat.

But you see, that's the point. Like literacy tests and poll taxes, they would be selectively enforced. Sure, you look fine, but you we are going to have to card. Sure you look like a nice respectable Republican voter, but man, that guy from the hood, we better card him and put his ballot in the provisional pile anyway.

Voter ID should be a requirement as well as in person voting, with few exceptions. Easy. I would argue Democrats would be more likely to let someone slide without an ID than Republicans, but regardless, ID should be required and enforced. A few may slip through the cracks, but nothing like NO voter ID at all.

Right. You guys have big tech now because they took out Trump after they created him to start with

Republicans have big tech? What planet are you on? Trump and his supporters took advantage or a free speech platform in leiu of a clearly biased MSM. Those same free speech platforms decided to start SELECTIVELY censoring Republican sentiments just before the election to help crooked Joe using a lame misinformation excuse. They have their “fact checkers” that only seem to find fault with one side of the aisle. They will continue to crack down to a point where only left-wing ideals will be allowed. Yes, that is where it is headed.

Wow? Really? I'm sorry, have you heard Trump Speak? The guy's a fucking moron. But he was a moron born with a silver spoon in his mouth

Do you really want to start talking about qualifications for president? All that matters is that he was elected. Biden was a elected and the man can’t tie his own shoes. The ”job” was to get elected and both Trump and (evidently) Biden did that.

Because the stars actually make the difference. CEO's, not so much, and they insist on the 8 figure salaries even when they fail miserably. SHit, the CEO of GM ran the company into the ground, had to get a government bailout and STILL insisted he was worth 8 figures

I guess there is no reason for me to list the number of multi-millionaire athletes that got huge contracts and never panned out. Many are retired in their 30’s living on a beach somewhere. The only reason Democrats don’t bring this up is because, like with everything, race is the preeminent issue in their minds. Since many of these are African American, it is ok. Many CEO’s are white so it is not, but it is the SAME thing.

 

[JoeB131]

It is a very safe bet than a demented invalid in nursing home would not be voting particularly if she would have to REQUEST a mail in ballot. In-person voting along with required voter ID solves these issues, but Democrats absolutely LOVE the pandemic rules voting method because it is SO easy to fabricate votes. There is a reason ”election reform” is HR1. Democrats want the fix for all future elections. Not surprisingly, lemmings don’t understand the threat.

Except you guys haven't proven that was done. Come back to me with proof someone submitted a significant amount of votes for people in nursing homes. Hey, has it ever occurred to you that people in nursing homes might find it in their best interests to NOT vote for the people who want to cut their Social Security and Medicare to give tax cuts to billionaires?

But nope, you want to make it harder for people who legitimately want to vote because someone MIGHT cheat the system. That's... kind of nuts.

Voter ID should be a requirement as well as in person voting, with few exceptions. Easy. I would argue Democrats would be more likely to let someone slide without an ID than Republicans, but regardless, ID should be required and enforced. A few may slip through the cracks, but nothing like NO voter ID at all.

Except you guys haven't proven vote fraud is happening, and Bill Barr admitted that the elections were fair. So did the cyber security guy. Trump fired them both.

Republicans have big tech? What planet are you on? Trump and his supporters took advantage or a free speech platform in leiu of a clearly biased MSM. Those same free speech platforms decided to start SELECTIVELY censoring Republican sentiments just before the election to help crooked Joe using a lame misinformation excuse. They have their “fact checkers” that only seem to find fault with one side of the aisle. They will continue to crack down to a point where only left-wing ideals will be allowed. Yes, that is where it is headed.

You mean you guys can't lie to your deluded supporters? That would be awful.

Do you really want to start talking about qualifications for president? All that matters is that he was elected. Biden was a elected and the man can’t tie his own shoes. The ”job” was to get elected and both Trump and (evidently) Biden did that.

Except he wasn't elected. The people said No. But hey, this weird system devised by dead slave rapists allowed him to win, so let's go with that. And then let's leave him in office despite manifest unfitness for office.

I guess there is no reason for me to list the number of multi-millionaire athletes that got huge contracts and never panned out.

No, that would be pointless. Most of them didnt' work out because they were injured...

The only reason Democrats don’t bring this up is because, like with everything, race is the preeminent issue in their minds. Since many of these are African American, it is ok. Many CEO’s are white so it is not, but it is the SAME thing.

No, the difference is, Athletes get there on their own talent. Nobody goes to the sporting event because the grounds crew is really good at their jobs, but they at least get union wages. They go there to see the Athletes. Most NFL players don't get the big contracts, but they end up suffering from concussive head injuries anyway.

Meanwhile, nobody buys a product because they like the CEO. They buy a product because the people who make it are good at their jobs.

 

[P@triot]

The total number of fraudulent ballots--FROM YOUR SITE--66.

Here we go again. From, “we have totally secure elections” to “well it’s only 66 illegal votes”.

It’s tells us everything we need to know that you’re cool with 66 illegal votes (I would be ok with even one).

But here’s the best part. That’s one little county. Let’s pretend that no other county had more fraud than that. Now extrapolate that out for 3,006 counties. That comes to 198,396. Let me guess... it’s “only” 200,000 illegal votes?

And that fact is, we know there infinitely more in massive counties like LA county. In other words, millions of fraudulent votes across the US. This thread hasn’t gone very well for you, hon.

 

[candycorn]

The total number of fraudulent ballots--FROM YOUR SITE--66.

Here we go again. From, “we have totally secure elections” to “well it’s only 66 illegal votes”.

It’s tells us everything we need to know that you’re cool with 66 illegal votes (I would be ok with even one).

C'mon dude....

I never said "totally secure elections" to the best of my knowledge.

In case you're interested, here is what I said:

4. We have the most secure elections already. As was attested by the blob's AG.

I demonstrated it with mathematics showing less than 3 tenths of 1% fraudulent ballots in Presidential elections alone...not counting the midterms and off year elections which would have driven the already minuscule amount of voter fraud even lower.

But here’s the best part. That’s one little county. Let’s pretend that no other county had more fraud than that. Now extrapolate that out for 3,006 counties. That comes to 198,396. Let me guess... it’s “only” 200,000 illegal votes?

And that fact is, we know there infinitely more in massive counties like LA county. In other words, millions of fraudulent votes across the US. This thread hasn’t gone very well for you, hon.

You're doing quite a bit of pretending.

Again I demonstrated it mathematically that the 480,000,000 votes in presidential elections 2008, 2012, 2016, and 2020...if the number of fraudulent ballots was 1.3 million...the percentage would have been 3/10 of 1%.

You started out well...you quoted the Heritage foundation. A reputable right wing think tank. But when you got your ass kicked, you devolved to the Epoch Times.... And now you're just making shit up "millions of fraudulent votes across the US".

Again. We have the most secure elections on earth. As is proven by the mathematics. Your blob lost. Deal with it.

 

[P@triot]

Except you guys haven't proven vote fraud is happening, and Bill Barr admitted that the elections were fair. So did the cyber security guy. Trump fired them both.

Bwahahaha!!! The “cybersecurity guy” (aka Chris as been proven to be a liar. He wants someone else to hire him so he had to say he did a good job. But the facts (those things you despise) say otherwise:

Election Supervisor Shows on Video How Dominion Software Allows Changing, Adding Votes

www.theepochtimes.com

Attorney: Michigan Vote Flip Happened Due to Computer Program, Not Human Error

www.theepochtimes.com

Over 1,400 Votes Changed During School Board Election in Michigan: Forensics Company Report

www.theepochtimes.com

Fraud Analyst Finds Average of 2 to 3 Percent Shift for Biden in Counties That Used Dominion

www.theepochtimes.com

Some Dominion Machines Can Connect to Internet, CEO Acknowledges

www.theepochtimes.com

DNI John Ratcliffe Confirmed There Was Foreign Interference in November Elections: Report

www.theepochtimes.com

White House Adviser Navarro: 379,000 ‘Possibly Illegal Ballots’ Cast in Michigan

www.theepochtimes.com

 

[BluesLegend]

Put the top 2,000 Dem traitors in prison, there I solved the election fraud problem.

 

[P@triot]

C'mon dude....

I never said "totally secure elections" to the best of my knowledge.

In case you're interested, here is what I said:

4. We have the most secure elections already. As was attested by the blob's AG.

Well what in the world does “the most secure elections” mean to you?!? To me, that means totally secure.

 

[candycorn]

C'mon dude....

I never said "totally secure elections" to the best of my knowledge.

In case you're interested, here is what I said:

4. We have the most secure elections already. As was attested by the blob's AG.

Well what in the world does “the most secure elections” mean to you?!? To me, that means totally secure.

That standard simply doesn't exist in a free society. 120,000,000 votes are cast (minimum) in each presidential election. Polling places change often, people who "know" the person at the voting place are waved through when they don't have a valid ID, and yes, there are 1,311 confirmed cases (since 2005) of people purposely committing fraud. When you have 120M people involved, you'll have some people who are not honest.

Your moronic "pretending" that there are "millions" of illegal votes cast is just fantasy.

What "most secure" means to me is that our elections are the most secure of any nation on the face of the planet. The mathematics prove it.

 

[XponentialChaos]

1. Eliminate all campaign finance. Not a single $1 permitted for a campaign
2. Eliminate party affiliations on ballots
3. Moved to a “ranked-choice” ballot (but with different “scoring”)
4. Secure elections and arrange for transparent audits

1. Fine with me but probably not realistic. I think limiting finances would be more realistic.
2. Fine with me but now you run into a problem of voters knowing very little of what their candidate stands for considering the lack of campaign finances.
3. 100% agree. Ranked choice voting is the way to go.
4. Fine with me but it won’t matter. I think our system is fine as it is. I also think that half the country is going to whine fraud regardless when their candidate loses.

 

[JoeB131]

Here we go again. From, “we have totally secure elections” to “well it’s only 66 illegal votes”.

It’s tells us everything we need to know that you’re cool with 66 illegal votes (I would be ok with even one).

66 votes out of hundreds of millions? Um, yeah, most industries don't have that low of a defect rate.

The question is, how many legitimate votes are you willing to throw out to try to get rid of those small number of supposedly illegal votes? Probably a lot, given you target minorities and the poor with your measures.

 

[DBA]

When you have 120M people involved, you'll have some people who are not honest.

Yes you will have some that are dishoest and most of them won’t get caught with our pandemic rules voting methods. You guys act as if there were actually only 1200 cases of fraud with 140 million votes cast. That is complete nonsense. That would be complete nonsense even with voter ID and in person voting.

The point is that since “some” people will be dishonest, we need to limit their opportunities to be so. Have in person voting and require an ID. It really isn’t much to ask.

 

[DBA]

Here we go again. From, “we have totally secure elections” to “well it’s only 66 illegal votes”.

It’s tells us everything we need to know that you’re cool with 66 illegal votes (I would be ok with even one).

66 votes out of hundreds of millions? Um, yeah, most industries don't have that low of a defect rate.

The question is, how many legitimate votes are you willing to throw out to try to get rid of those small number of supposedly illegal votes? Probably a lot, given you target minorities and the poor with your measures.

Yeah, only 66 votes were illegal out of 140 million. Common sense tells you that if 66 people can easily get away with scamming the system, many more can and likely did as well. If there is well known(by hackers) security hole in a computer system holding sensitive data but only one hacker can actually be identified, do you make the assumption that he is the only one that obtained access to the sensitive data or that perhaps the others covered their tracks? Maybe if you are a Democrat you do, but the rest of us aren’t so naive.

 

[JoeB131]

Yeah, only 66 votes were illegal out of 140 million. Common sense tells you that if 66 people can easily get away with scamming the system, many more can and likely did as well. If there is well known(by hackers) security hole in a computer system holding sensitive data but only one hacker can actually be identified, do you make the assumption that he is the only one that obtained access to the sensitive data or that perhaps the others covered their tracks? Maybe if you are a Democrat you do, but the rest of us aren’t so naive.

Well, clearly, they DIDN'T get away with it, they were caught.

the point is, you guys claim all day that there was massive voter fraud going on, but there really wasn't. In fact, there's this little gem.

Study: No partisan benefit from mail voting in 2020 election

Former President Donald Trump last year publicly worried that the explosion in voting by mail during the coronavirus pandemic would increase turnout so much that "you'd never have a Republican elected in this country again. " But a new study shows the record rates of mail voting in 2020 didn't...

mynbc15.com

What? Wait....


Former President Donald Trump last year publicly worried that the explosion in voting by mail during the coronavirus pandemic would increase turnout so much that "you'd never have a Republican elected in this country again." But a new study shows the record rates of mail voting in 2020 didn't help Democrats or lead to an increase in voting.


The research is only the latest in a years-long number of studies finding no partisan benefit to mail voting. But it also draws the conclusion that making it easier to vote did not increase voting levels because voters were already highly motivated to participate in the 2020 contest.

"We find a pretty precisely zero effect on turnout," said Jesse Yoder, one of the study's authors and a Ph.D. student in political science at Stanford University. "Voter interest was really driving turnout more than these convenience voting forms."

The researchers proved this with a novel approach — examining turnout rates in Texas, which, unlike many states, did not ease its mail voting restrictions during the pandemic. Voters 65 and older could vote by mail automatically, while younger ones still had to provide a legally justified excuse.