Eisenhower.s death camps in Germany

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Sorry its going to be a long one, but I watch documentaries on the Second World War often. Never stopping the learning process.

I used to believe that most knew as well but I've come to believe its far more complicated than that unfortunately, some far more guilty than others. We'd like to have an easy explanation and lay collective blame but it's very fuzzy in many cases. Also, there was little poor farming families could do regardless. I'm not excusing, I'd like to think I would join the Resistance if I could. Much easier to say than do, especially if one is a 60 year old. It was the role of Western militaries to fight and win.

The camps were primarily hidden from the local population unless they lived nearby and then they would only really know about the atrocities when they saw men, women and children marched out to their deaths in a field or something. In other cases they could smell the strong, unusual smell from the chimney soot. Still in other cases, the local population helped round up Jewish people. Did they know they were sending them to their deaths? I would think they would suspect that.

Those who did know and didn't find a way to spread the word will have to pay for their sins. G-d will decide who was on which side of the ledger, there were plenty who fell on either side.

These camps were situated hundreds of miles from civilization. Guarded from peering eyes even if you did wander nearby. When those who lived close by knew and/or suspected, far more didn't. Even those who did suspect were living in the boonies. Places that didn't even have telephones or running This isn't to excuse it, but not unlike people today who live in big cities and don't understand the poisoning of some former manufacturing and industrial communities in rural towns, or don't see a problem with illegal immigration (until they were sent by bus up north).

There were multiple instances in which even Jews themselves, the prime objective of the Final Solution who didn't believe the stories they were being told, as confirmed when two men escaped Auschwitz I believe and made their way to Hungary. The Hungarian Jewish community at first thought the stories couldn't be true, they were skeptical at first. The head of the Jewish congress there was murdered in Israel in the 50s for not believing and doing enough to save the Jews. People were enraged.

This man foolishly tried to make a backroom deal with the Germans to try and save some, but he was slow to publish the whistleblower escapees accounts of what happened there. Finally BBC read the report and ran the story and the U.S expressed condemnation .

People also shouldnt forget that the U.S, Canada and others rejected boats of Jews, many eventually captured again and sent to their deaths, that is highly offensive to me and does make my blood boil. This man saved I think 1500 people while 10s of thousands were murdered due to his delays and negotiating when he should have encouraged people to leave before the nazis starting sending them on trains He was a controversial figure and despised by many, still praised in other corners for those 1500 who lived.

We look back and take for granted that we know the depths of their evil. At that time no one could expect these radical, industrialized murder, it was incomprehensible. Who would do this to human beings?

This war and its evils have been an interest of mine since High School. We should educate ourselves as much as possible. Including finding some glimmers of hope in humanity to those who risked their lives or even lost it by not collaborating.

Courage is in short supply today, which does worry me greatly.

You have obviously never been to Europe. There is almost no point on the entire continent that is hundreds of miles from civilization.

 

[luiza]

have you heard of them?

if not, google for Rheinwiesenlager


horrible

Have the Nazis begun another war since ?
No .

Largely also thanks to dear Uncle Pooty who personally recruited Angela Merkel when he was stationed in Dresden .
And Pooty Tooty is now clearing out the Khazarian Mafia ( Nazi Jews) from their Kyiv HQ plus the Nazi US Shadow Government who were running nearly 40 Bio Labs -- most on the Russian border .

Your fellow Germs are apparently being punished as we now see Germ Land in terrible Economic and Financial distress .




QED

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Agreed and his farewell speech about the MIC, had to be hypocritical. He helped build it and did nothing to contain it.

He also likely knew who killed JFK, but said nothing.

Like so many we were told in government school were great Americans, Ike was a disgusting human being.

Yep! You are definitely insane.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Agreed and his farewell speech about the MIC, had to be hypocritical. He helped build it and did nothing to contain it.

He also likely knew who killed JFK, but said nothing.

Like so many we were told in government school were great Americans, Ike was a disgusting human being.

Not only that gipper but he was a traiter to all soviet citizens who tried to escape Russia to get away from Stalins gulags. Him and fellow traiter FDR were the best of pals with stallin,they referred to him as uncle joe.

our friend dale when he was here RIP,he did an excellent job here in this video explaining how stalin sense he helped the allies win the war in Europe in return,he asked Eisenhower to stop the russian civilans fleeing Russia to send them back so he could put them in gulags and that ************ complied and FDR of course knew all about it.



Our history books need to be totally rewritten.

Another thing dale does not talk about in the video is that Ike stood by uncle joe when he let his soldiers rape german women,Ike stood by next to his side having a jolly old good time with him laughing. Our most famous presidents that get all the hype like Eisenhower and FDR,were evil demonic monsters as much as stalin was. staling was the true enemy,not Hitler. the lesser known presidents the media does not talk about or praise like howard taft and john tyler,were the REAL patriotic presidents.

 

[gipper]

Not only that gipper but he was a traiter to all soviet citizens who tried to escape Russia to get away from Stalins gulags. Him and fellow traiter FDR were the best of pals with stallin,they referred to him as uncle joe.

our friend dale when he was here RIP,he did an excellent job here in this video explaining how stalin sense he helped the allies win the war in Europe in return,he asked Eisenhower to stop the russian civilans fleeing Russia to send them back so he could put them in gulags and that ************ complied and FDR of course knew all about it.



Our history books need to be totally rewritten.

Another thing dale does not talk about in the video is that Ike stood by uncle joe when he let his soldiers rape german women,Ike stood by next to his side having a jolly old good time with him laughing. Our most famous presidents that get all the hype like Eisenhower and FDR,were evil demonic monsters as much as stalin was. staling was the true enemy,not Hitler. the lesser known presidents the media does not talk about or praise like howard taft and john tyler,were the REAL patriotic presidents.

I recently read details of the treatment particularly Germans received by Russians, immediately after the war ended. Horrific stuff. Women and girls raped to death and men murdered for one reason. Nothing was done to stop these atrocities.
My father in law escaped Lithuania and was in a work camp in Germany after the war. He said Eleanor Roosevelt gave a speech to the camp. Telling them to return to the USSR. She was booed. No one intended to return and they knew if they did, they’d likely be shot or sent to the gulag.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

Not only that gipper but he was a traiter to all soviet citizens who tried to escape Russia to get away from Stalins gulags. Him and fellow traiter FDR were the best of pals with stallin,they referred to him as uncle joe.

our friend dale when he was here RIP,he did an excellent job here in this video explaining how stalin sense he helped the allies win the war in Europe in return,he asked Eisenhower to stop the russian civilans fleeing Russia to send them back so he could put them in gulags and that ************ complied and FDR of course knew all about it.



Our history books need to be totally rewritten.

Another thing dale does not talk about in the video is that Ike stood by uncle joe when he let his soldiers rape german women,Ike stood by next to his side having a jolly old good time with him laughing. Our most famous presidents that get all the hype like Eisenhower and FDR,were evil demonic monsters as much as stalin was. staling was the true enemy,not Hitler. the lesser known presidents the media does not talk about or praise like howard taft and john tyler,were the REAL patriotic presidents.

here is another great in depth expose that really goes into vivid detail of Eisnenhowers treason dale spoke briefly about in his video. i got to check this out sometime.


and this is a really great informative video as well on his treason i have seen a couple of times


Our history classes teach us that kennedy got us into vietnam it was EISENHOWER that did.This book goes into vivid detail on it that the CA had planned to ESCULATE the war during the last year when Eisenhower was in office and nearly WERE implemented but stalled somehow. Kennedy came in and he of course resisted the policys and once he was assassinated LBJ of course,implemented Eisenhowers policy for esculation.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

gipper​

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the book NEEDS to be called EISENHOWER,KENNEDY,JOHNSON AND THE ORIGINS OF THE VIETNAM WAR.​

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American Tragedy: Kennedy, Johnson, and the Origins of the Vietnam War​

American Tragedy is the first book to draw on complete official documentation to tell the full story of how we became involved in Vietnam--and the story it tells decisively challenges widely held assumptions about the roles of Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Johnson. Using an enormous range of source materials from these administrations, Kaiser shows how the policies that led to the war were developed during Eisenhower's tenure and nearly implemented in the closing days of his administration in response to a crisis in Laos; how Kennedy immediately reversed course on Laos and refused for three years to follow recommendations for military action in Southeast Asia; and how Eisenhower's policies reemerged in the military intervention mounted by the Johnson administration. As he places these findings in the context of the Cold War and broader American objectives, Kaiser offers the best analysis to date of the actual beginnings of the war in Vietnam, the impact of the American advisory mission from 1962 through 1965, and the initial strategy of General Westmoreland.


Kaiser shows how the policies that led to the war were developed during Eisenhower's tenure and nearly implemented in the closing days of his administration in response to a crisis in Laos; how Kennedy immediately reversed course on Laos and refused for three years to follow recommendations for military action in Southeast Asia; and how Eisenhower's policies reemerged in the military intervention mounted by the Johnson administration.

 

[whitehall]

Sorry its going to be a long one, but I watch documentaries on the Second World War often. Never stopping the learning process.

I used to believe that most knew as well but I've come to believe its far more complicated than that unfortunately, some far more guilty than others. We'd like to have an easy explanation and lay collective blame but it's very fuzzy in many cases. Also, there was little poor farming families could do regardless. I'm not excusing, I'd like to think I would join the Resistance if I could. Much easier to say than do, especially if one is a 60 year old. It was the role of Western militaries to fight and win.

The camps were primarily hidden from the local population unless they lived nearby and then they would only really know about the atrocities when they saw men, women and children marched out to their deaths in a field or something. In other cases they could smell the strong, unusual smell from the chimney soot. Still in other cases, the local population helped round up Jewish people. Did they know they were sending them to their deaths? I would think they would suspect that.

Those who did know and didn't find a way to spread the word will have to pay for their sins. G-d will decide who was on which side of the ledger, there were plenty who fell on either side.

These camps were situated hundreds of miles from civilization. Guarded from peering eyes even if you did wander nearby. When those who lived close by knew and/or suspected, far more didn't. Even those who did suspect were living in the boonies. Places that didn't even have telephones or running This isn't to excuse it, but not unlike people today who live in big cities and don't understand the poisoning of some former manufacturing and industrial communities in rural towns, or don't see a problem with illegal immigration (until they were sent by bus up north).

There were multiple instances in which even Jews themselves, the prime objective of the Final Solution who didn't believe the stories they were being told, as confirmed when two men escaped Auschwitz I believe and made their way to Hungary. The Hungarian Jewish community at first thought the stories couldn't be true, they were skeptical at first. The head of the Jewish congress there was murdered in Israel in the 50s for not believing and doing enough to save the Jews. People were enraged.

This man foolishly tried to make a backroom deal with the Germans to try and save some, but he was slow to publish the whistleblower escapees accounts of what happened there. Finally BBC read the report and ran the story and the U.S expressed condemnation .

People also shouldnt forget that the U.S, Canada and others rejected boats of Jews, many eventually captured again and sent to their deaths, that is highly offensive to me and does make my blood boil. This man saved I think 1500 people while 10s of thousands were murdered due to his delays and negotiating when he should have encouraged people to leave before the nazis starting sending them on trains He was a controversial figure and despised by many, still praised in other corners for those 1500 who lived.

We look back and take for granted that we know the depths of their evil. At that time no one could expect these radical, industrialized murder, it was incomprehensible. Who would do this to human beings?

This war and its evils have been an interest of mine since High School. We should educate ourselves as much as possible. Including finding some glimmers of hope in humanity to those who risked their lives or even lost it by not collaborating.

Courage is in short supply today, which does worry me greatly.

WW2 Canadians had a minor impact on the Allied victory and as such modern Canadians might have learned a biased viewpoint about Ike's tactics. Y'all Canuks would be speaking German instead of French today if it wasn't for Ike's strategy.

 

[shockedcanadian]

WW2 Canadians had a minor impact on the Allied victory and as such modern Canadians might have learned a biased viewpoint about Ike's tactics. Y'all Canuks would be speaking German instead of French today if it wasn't for Ike's strategy.

We carried more than our weight, especially as the British generals and leaders used Canadians as fodder to avoid negative death totals back in the U.K.

One mission was particularly horrific when the British navy used Canadians for what was basically a suicide mission and they watched from afar on their ship with binoculars as young Canadian men were mowed down.

 

[whitehall]

It was FDR that turned back German ships loaded with Jewish refugees to face concentration camps.

 

[fncceo]

have you heard of them?

if not, google for Rheinwiesenlager


horrible

If you're here trying to drum up sympathy for Nazis ... I'm guessing you're going to have a tough time.

Have you tried Stormfront?

Or Daily Kos?

 

[whitehall]

Ike liberated the death camps. Blaming them on Eisenhower seems like Russian based disinformation.

 

[Ringo]

 

[Mushroom]

have you heard of them?

if not, google for Rheinwiesenlager


horrible

Did they have gas chambers? Did they regularly march scores of captured soldiers into the woods and make them dig trenches before they machine gunned them into those trenches?

If the answer is no, then they were not "Death Camps".

 

[Mushroom]

You have obviously never been to Europe. There is almost no point on the entire continent that is hundreds of miles from civilization.

Hell, most of them were situated just a couple of miles from towns and cities. One of the most "remote" from a major city was Auschwitz. That was 30 miles outside of Krakow, but surrounded by over a dozen smaller towns and villages less than five miles away.

And BIrkenau was less than 10 miles from Weinheim.

Most of the camps were also a source of slave labor, and would have been of absolutely no use if they were located "hundreds of miles" from towns. Plus the guards and other members of the camp staff needed somewhere to live as well as their families.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Hell, most of them were situated just a couple of miles from towns and cities. One of the most "remote" from a major city was Auschwitz. That was 30 miles outside of Krakow, but surrounded by over a dozen smaller towns and villages less than five miles away.

And BIrkenau was less than 10 miles from Weinheim.

Most of the camps were also a source of slave labor, and would have been of absolutely no use if they were located "hundreds of miles" from towns. Plus the guards and other members of the camp staff needed somewhere to live as well as their families.

On this point, it is readily apparent that the Canuck is talking out of his ass again. Apparently, it comes from being inside 360 days out of the year.

 

[Mushroom]

On this point, it is readily apparent that the Canuck is talking out of his ass again. Apparently, it comes from being inside 360 days out of the year.

A great many people have little to no real understanding of real history. And instead of actually doing their own research they latch onto fantasies that others concoct.

The camps the OP is discussing were POW camps. And were run according to international law and overseen by international bodies like the Red Cross. However, as is common in any POW camp there are high death rates. To start with simply because as would be expected many who arrive had been wounded in battle. With rates expected somewhere around 10-15%.

Of course, this could be higher or lower. The rate of death of Soviet POWs held by the Germans was a staggering 57%. And of Germans held by the Soviets not much better at 35%. Followed by the Japanese held Americans at 33%.

But the death rate of German POWs held by America? 0.15%. However, one also has to remember that by the end of the war, the Americans were holding over 10 million POWs in camps. And of course many were survivors of the final brutal months of the war as they were moving in on Berlin. And as expected, well over a million had already been wounded in battle.

And as others pointed out, there was a severe famine over most of the continent at the time. One of the things that many do not realize is how much Operation Magic Carpet tried to alleviate that. Over 370 ships that spent over a year returning the over 8 million American servicemembers back to the US. However, when going from the US to Europe and Japan those ships were not empty. They were absolutely packed with food and medical supplies to try and help the situation in Europe.

 

[Litwin]

have you heard of them?

if not, google for Rheinwiesenlager


horrible

you misspelled surname Stalin . edit for you :

Stalin´s death camps in Germany​

NKVD special camps in Germany 1945–1950 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

A great many people have little to no real understanding of real history. And instead of actually doing their own research they latch onto fantasies that others concoct.

The camps the OP is discussing were POW camps. And were run according to international law and overseen by international bodies like the Red Cross. However, as is common in any POW camp there are high death rates. To start with simply because as would be expected many who arrive had been wounded in battle. With rates expected somewhere around 10-15%.

Of course, this could be higher or lower. The rate of death of Soviet POWs held by the Germans was a staggering 57%. And of Germans held by the Soviets not much better at 35%. Followed by the Japanese held Americans at 33%.

But the death rate of German POWs held by America? 0.15%. However, one also has to remember that by the end of the war, the Americans were holding over 10 million POWs in camps. And of course many were survivors of the final brutal months of the war as they were moving in on Berlin. And as expected, well over a million had already been wounded in battle.

And as others pointed out, there was a severe famine over most of the continent at the time. One of the things that many do not realize is how much Operation Magic Carpet tried to alleviate that. Over 370 ships that spent over a year returning the over 8 million American servicemembers back to the US. However, when going from the US to Europe and Japan those ships were not empty. They were absolutely packed with food and medical supplies to try and help the situation in Europe.

I truly appreciate your posts. You are one of the few on this forum I can usually agree with on almost every point. I salute you sir!

 

[Mushroom]

I truly appreciate your posts. You are one of the few on this forum I can usually agree with on almost every point. I salute you sir!

Well, largely that is likely because I have no "political axe to grind". I simply stick to the facts, no need to embellish them.