Education is actually indoctrination

[Disir]

Public schooling is not here to learn and educate childeren, but to
make childrend dumb, conformists, a- creative , stupid and what have you,

It is here to indoctrinate children with bollocks and shite.

I have never let my schooling interfere with my education. -Mark Twain

Proof?

What would you consider proof? A teacher for 25 years in new york who found this out? or what?

What evidence do you have? You start learning this in the second grade.

 

[ObligationLaunch]

I don't think you'll find a smoking gun but giving examples which led you to your opinion would be nice.

I don't hink you'll find a smoking gun

Really?

 

[ObligationLaunch]

What evidence do you have? You start learning this in the second grade.

What do you mean by 'this"?

 

[Rouge Rover]

I don't think you'll find a smoking gun but giving examples which led you to your opinion would be nice.

I don't hink you'll find a smoking gun

Really?

You found two people who agree with you. I'm sure you can find many more. You still haven't given any examples, give a couple from when you were in school.

 

[Disir]

What evidence do you have? You start learning this in the second grade.

What do you mean by 'this"?

You start learning what constitutes evidence in the second grade. What evidence do you have?

 

[ObligationLaunch]

What evidence do you have? You start learning this in the second grade.

What do you mean by 'this"?

You start learning what constitutes evidence in the second grade. What evidence do you have?

lots,

But you can start with the classical book of Jiohn Taylor Gato:

Makes it very very clear!


Besides , nearly everything you learn at school is wrong or at least very skewed!

The are mostly lies! Now, why do you want to learn lies to your kids?

 

[ObligationLaunch]

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You start learning what constitutes evidence in the second grade. What evidence do you have?

This is a cop out of course, What do YOU consider evidence, apart from your schooling?

 

[Disir]

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You start learning what constitutes evidence in the second grade. What evidence do you have?

This is a cop out of course, What do YOU consider evidence, apart from your schooling?

No. This is you opining. Either back up your arguments or get off your mom's computer and get ready for school.

 

[Agit8r]

I have found the smoking gun you are looking for! See now?

 

[ObligationLaunch]

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You start learning what constitutes evidence in the second grade. What evidence do you have?

This is a cop out of course, What do YOU consider evidence, apart from your schooling?

No. This is you opining. Either back up your arguments or get off your mom's computer and get ready for school.

ok, so you can't. That is for sure. And of course an Ad Hominem, Yawn.

 

[ObligationLaunch]

I have found the smoking gun you are looking for! See now?

It is indeed a part of the puzzle, yes!

 

[Disir]

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You start learning what constitutes evidence in the second grade. What evidence do you have?

This is a cop out of course, What do YOU consider evidence, apart from your schooling?

No. This is you opining. Either back up your arguments or get off your mom's computer and get ready for school.

ok, so you can't. That is for sure. And of course an Ad Hominem, Yawn.

You got nothing? I'm shocked. SHOCKED!

Off to ignore land you go.

 

[ObligationLaunch]

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You start learning what constitutes evidence in the second grade. What evidence do you have?

This is a cop out of course, What do YOU consider evidence, apart from your schooling?

No. This is you opining. Either back up your arguments or get off your mom's computer and get ready for school.

ok, so you can't. That is for sure. And of course an Ad Hominem, Yawn.

You got nothing? I'm shocked. SHOCKED!

Off to ignore land you go.

wow, you just JUMP to your conclusions!

And can't even explain what evidence is?

Schooled? LOL

 

[regent]

Public schooling is not here to learn and educate childeren, but to
make childrend dumb, conformists, a- creative , stupid and what have you,

It is here to indoctrinate children with bollocks and shite.

I have never let my schooling interfere with my education. -Mark Twain

So that's why I had to say the pledge of allegiance every school morning.

 

[baileyn45]

It's not the same everywhere. This is what I was referring to in my last post about intelligence. Public school in most of Europe isn't like American public school from what I've read so saying it's all the same just to justify your rant deserves an ad hom.

Well. there are of course small cultural differences but the teachings are

at it's core the same.

But there is indeed one things the stupid american teachers do and that is
a very destructive way of teaching and it is called "common core"

That maked indoctrination even worse then it was!

Why do you think this? Common Core is pretty limited and isn't mandatory. I have more of a problem with too strong a focus on STEM subjects. Too many people today think public school is just for preparing a student for the workforce and the liberal arts focus just isn't there like it used to be in some districts.

I'd have to disagree about the focus on stem being the problem. I went to high school in the late 70s and took what would now be a very heavy stem type curriculum. I had time for art(no music, I have no talent), and played sports year around. From parents I speak to today the waste in their opinion is the over burden of "social" indoctrination. As I've heard parents say more than once, kids can tell you all about billies 2 mommies and anal sex but they can't read. Flippant I know but makes the point. Now I don't have a problem with billies 2 mommies but it shouldn't be the schools job. Teach them critical thinking skills let them make up their own minds.

I often hear it's worse at the university level. I recently watched a video where a prof was talking about a colleague who was required to incorporate social justice into her lecture on tuberous root vegetables. Youtube is full of videos of college students
that could not find texas on a map or tell you the date of the end of the civil war with 100 years, but they can tell you why saying God bless you when some one sneezes is a "micrro-agression. And the worst part is they speak of these social ideas with the same absolute certainty that a scientist would describing water evaporating. Teaching critical thinking skills is a thing of the past.

 

[Rouge Rover]

It's not the same everywhere. This is what I was referring to in my last post about intelligence. Public school in most of Europe isn't like American public school from what I've read so saying it's all the same just to justify your rant deserves an ad hom.

Well. there are of course small cultural differences but the teachings are

at it's core the same.

But there is indeed one things the stupid american teachers do and that is
a very destructive way of teaching and it is called "common core"

That maked indoctrination even worse then it was!

Why do you think this? Common Core is pretty limited and isn't mandatory. I have more of a problem with too strong a focus on STEM subjects. Too many people today think public school is just for preparing a student for the workforce and the liberal arts focus just isn't there like it used to be in some districts.

I'd have to disagree about the focus on stem being the problem. I went to high school in the late 70s and took what would now be a very heavy stem type curriculum. I had time for art(no music, I have no talent), and played sports year around. From parents I speak to today the waste in their opinion is the over burden of "social" indoctrination. As I've heard parents say more than once, kids can tell you all about billies 2 mommies and anal sex but they can't read. Flippant I know but makes the point. Now I don't have a problem with billies 2 mommies but it shouldn't be the schools job. Teach them critical thinking skills let them make up their own minds.

I often hear it's worse at the university level. I recently watched a video where a prof was talking about a colleague who was required to incorporate social justice into her lecture on tuberous root vegetables. Youtube is full of videos of college students
that could not find texas on a map or tell you the date of the end of the civil war with 100 years, but they can tell you why saying God bless you when some one sneezes is a "micrro-agression. And the worst part is they speak of these social ideas with the same absolute certainty that a scientist would describing water evaporating. Teaching critical thinking skills is a thing of the past.

Whenever I see someone complaining about schools the social indoctrination angle is always mentioned. All I ask someone who posts an OP about that is that they give examples.

I agree with you that there are problems in the schools but I think the reason we have problems in the schools is because too many parents are content to spout out vague generalities but aren't willing to do what's needed to fix the problems.

 

[dblack]

It's not the same everywhere. This is what I was referring to in my last post about intelligence. Public school in most of Europe isn't like American public school from what I've read so saying it's all the same just to justify your rant deserves an ad hom.

Well. there are of course small cultural differences but the teachings are

at it's core the same.

But there is indeed one things the stupid american teachers do and that is
a very destructive way of teaching and it is called "common core"

That maked indoctrination even worse then it was!

Why do you think this? Common Core is pretty limited and isn't mandatory. I have more of a problem with too strong a focus on STEM subjects. Too many people today think public school is just for preparing a student for the workforce and the liberal arts focus just isn't there like it used to be in some districts.

I'd have to disagree about the focus on stem being the problem. I went to high school in the late 70s and took what would now be a very heavy stem type curriculum. I had time for art(no music, I have no talent), and played sports year around. From parents I speak to today the waste in their opinion is the over burden of "social" indoctrination. As I've heard parents say more than once, kids can tell you all about billies 2 mommies and anal sex but they can't read. Flippant I know but makes the point. Now I don't have a problem with billies 2 mommies but it shouldn't be the schools job. Teach them critical thinking skills let them make up their own minds.

I often hear it's worse at the university level. I recently watched a video where a prof was talking about a colleague who was required to incorporate social justice into her lecture on tuberous root vegetables. Youtube is full of videos of college students
that could not find texas on a map or tell you the date of the end of the civil war with 100 years, but they can tell you why saying God bless you when some one sneezes is a "micrro-agression. And the worst part is they speak of these social ideas with the same absolute certainty that a scientist would describing water evaporating. Teaching critical thinking skills is a thing of the past.

Whenever I see someone complaining about schools the social indoctrination angle is always mentioned. All I ask someone who posts an OP about that is that they give examples.

When we reflect on what "indoctrination" means, I'm not sure why anyone would dispute that that is at least one of the purposes, if not the overriding goal, of public education. It usually becomes obvious whenever anyone tries to justify a public education. Nearly every reason they cite has to do with ensuring that our children grow up to be citizens with common set of core values.

I don't mind listing the various ways public schools indoctrinate students, but it will need to be later today. In the mean time, in return, I'll challenge anyone who supports public education to justify it without advocating indoctrination. I don't see how you can.

 

[Rouge Rover]

It's not the same everywhere. This is what I was referring to in my last post about intelligence. Public school in most of Europe isn't like American public school from what I've read so saying it's all the same just to justify your rant deserves an ad hom.

Well. there are of course small cultural differences but the teachings are

at it's core the same.

But there is indeed one things the stupid american teachers do and that is
a very destructive way of teaching and it is called "common core"

That maked indoctrination even worse then it was!

Why do you think this? Common Core is pretty limited and isn't mandatory. I have more of a problem with too strong a focus on STEM subjects. Too many people today think public school is just for preparing a student for the workforce and the liberal arts focus just isn't there like it used to be in some districts.

I'd have to disagree about the focus on stem being the problem. I went to high school in the late 70s and took what would now be a very heavy stem type curriculum. I had time for art(no music, I have no talent), and played sports year around. From parents I speak to today the waste in their opinion is the over burden of "social" indoctrination. As I've heard parents say more than once, kids can tell you all about billies 2 mommies and anal sex but they can't read. Flippant I know but makes the point. Now I don't have a problem with billies 2 mommies but it shouldn't be the schools job. Teach them critical thinking skills let them make up their own minds.

I often hear it's worse at the university level. I recently watched a video where a prof was talking about a colleague who was required to incorporate social justice into her lecture on tuberous root vegetables. Youtube is full of videos of college students
that could not find texas on a map or tell you the date of the end of the civil war with 100 years, but they can tell you why saying God bless you when some one sneezes is a "micrro-agression. And the worst part is they speak of these social ideas with the same absolute certainty that a scientist would describing water evaporating. Teaching critical thinking skills is a thing of the past.

Whenever I see someone complaining about schools the social indoctrination angle is always mentioned. All I ask someone who posts an OP about that is that they give examples.

When we reflect on what "indoctrination" means, I'm not sure why anyone would dispute that that is at least one of the purposes, if not the overriding goal, of public education. It usually becomes obvious whenever anyone tries to justify a public education. Nearly every reason they cite has to do with ensuring that our children grow up to be citizens with common set of core values.

I don't mind listing the various ways public schools indoctrinate students, but it will need to be later today. In the mean time, in return, I'll challenge anyone who supports public education to justify it without advocating indoctrination. I don't see how you can.

Indoctrination is a conversation we can have. The OP's accusations on the other hand need some fleshing out.

 

[regent]

Yep, schools do indoctrinate as do traffic signals, the military, hospitals, churches, airports, department stores and most of our institutions. Think of the chaos if institutions did not indoctrinate.

 

[initforme]

The indoctrination rhetoric comes out of the GOP playbook. They don't like public education because they would love to get rid of it so they DONT have to pay for it. Just like whining about taxes. They hate govt services until they need it. Hypocrites.