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[Concerned American]

Honest question, I don't know how it may have worked in other states.)

These stipends usually are negotiated in the union contract--different in different districts.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Teachers, at least most of them, do not get an "hourly ******* rate" they get paid by the contract year. If they don't fulfil the contract year (say for example someone retires February 1st) residual pay is determined based on the number of days worked, not an hourly rate.

WW

Pay is annualized dumbass. If you quit, you get all funds held for you summer pay. Now you are just making shit up!

Why are you such a dick? Is it the TDS impacting your personality?

 

[WorldWatcher]

These stipends usually are negotiated in the union contract--different in different districts.

We don't have union contracts with teachers here in Virginia, teacher contracts are defined by state code and the School Board sets supplement amounts for athletics and co-curricular activities.

WW

 

[WorldWatcher]

Pay is annualized dumbass. If you quit, you get all funds held for you summer pay. Now you are just making shit up!

Not for out teachers. Pay is not "annualized" it's payed over 10-months (20-pay periods).

We don't have "summer pay". Teacher can set up an account with the local credit union to have a portion of their pay deposited from each check, then the credit union pays them. But as a school system 10-month employees don't have a "summer pay" (more commonly referred to as delayed pay).

Why are you such a dick? Is it the TDS impacting your personality?

Who is being a dick? I'm just informing you of the real world and what teachers are viewed as under pay rules and FLSA.

You were corrected and because triggered now that you were shown to be wrong (I posted the Department of Labor information) you want to rant and hem and haw and bluster like you know what you are talking about when it appears you don't.

WW

 

[Concerned American]

We don't have union contracts with teachers here in Virginia, teacher contracts are defined by state code and the School Board sets supplement amounts for athletics and co-curricular activities.

WW

School boards set these amounts on the west coast as well---during negotiations with the teacher's unions.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Not for out teachers. Pay is not "annualized" it's payed over 10-months (20-pay periods).

We don't have "summer pay". Teacher can set up an account with the local credit union to have a portion of their pay deposited from each check, then the credit union pays them. But as a school system 10-month employees don't have a "summer pay" (more commonly referred to as delayed pay).



Who is being a dick? I'm just informing you of the real world and what teachers are viewed as under pay rules and FLSA.

You were corrected and because triggered now that you were shown to be wrong (I posted the Department of Labor information) you want to rant and hem and haw and bluster like you know what you are talking about when it appears you don't.

WW

You quoted your district policy which is unheard of in the civilized world, and because you are uninformed, you acted like an asshole. We had that same policy in the 1990s. Maybe it's about time you grew up!

 

[WorldWatcher]

School boards set these amounts on the west coast as well---during negotiations with the teacher's unions.

OK, I'm in Virignia. We don't negotiate with teacher unions as there are no union contracts.

We have a budget process. Teacher representatives (AFT/NEA) are welcome to review the public documents and submit comments sure? But there are no union contract negotiations.

WW

 

[WorldWatcher]

You quoted your district policy which is unheard of in the civilized world, and because you are uninformed, you acted like an asshole. We had that same policy in the 1990s. Maybe it's about time you grew up!

Go back and check post #49.

I posted Department of Labor identifying teachers as exampt from the Fair Labor and Standard Act which government exempt vs. non-exempt status, not local policy.

WW

 

[WorldWatcher]

Once again, stay in your own lane and don't talk out of your area.

Well apparently you suck at your job!

Again, that has nothing to with the subject, so STFU.

You can quote shit all you want,

Maybe in your tiny little world, but the rest of us worked in the real world, jackass. FOAD!

Pay is annualized dumbass.

You quoted your district policy which is unheard of in the civilized world, and because you are uninformed, you acted like an asshole. We had that same policy in the 1990s. Maybe it's about time you grew up!

Instead of accusing me of being an asshole for discussing a matter as an adult, you should look to your own posts before calling someone an asshole.

I know your old and sick, but that's no excuse to be rude.

WW

 

[braalian]

Pay is annualized dumbass. If you quit, you get all funds held for you summer pay. Now you are just making shit up!

Why are you such a dick? Is it the TDS impacting your personality?

Just out of curiosity, how come teachers’ unions don’t fight to switch to an hourly wage system?

With all the unpaid overtime you seem to work, it seems you’d make more overall that way in the long run. Just save up for the summer months

 

[Concerned American]

Just save up for the summer months

Many districts will spread the salary out over 12 months.

 

[braalian]

Many districts will spread the salary out over 12 months.

right, I was just thinking an hourly wage system would be better for the teachers cause they work so much unpaid overtime

 

[WorldWatcher]

Many districts will spread the salary out over 12 months.

Agreed, is true.

In such systems 10-month employees take a lower check amount during the year to fund checks over the summer.

It helps v people plan their budgets.

WW

 

[WorldWatcher]

right, I was just thinking an hourly wage system would be better for the teachers cause they work so much unpaid overtime

This is the hard part for some to get.

It’s not unpaid overtime. It’s that as professionals there are job related tasks that exist outside the hours the children are in the building.

WW

 

[braalian]

This is the hard part for some to get.

It’s not unpaid overtime. It’s that as professionals there are job related tasks that exist outside the hours the children are in the building.

WW

OK, if you say so, you would know obviously

personally, I would find the idea of working extra hours without being compensated fairly for them to be an intolerable deal breaker

 

[Concerned American]

It’s not unpaid overtime.

That isn't entirely true. Those hours spent at home planning, preparing and grading are overlooked as is the out-of-pocket expenditures that are made in order to make the experience more enjoyable for their charges.

 

[WorldWatcher]

That isn't entirely true. Those hours spent at home planning, preparing and grading are overlooked as is the out-of-pocket expenditures that are made in order to make the experience more enjoyable for their charges.

As salaried employees, they aren’t “overlooked”.

They are part of the primary job.

The question then becomes, what is fair compensation for the duties required to complete the primary job?

The problem is that “fair” is a qualitative term not a quantitative term.

Ask teacher groups and they will say “fair” means pay raises for the time,

Ask tax payers to fund those raises and they will say that teachers pay is already “fair”.

WW

 

[Concerned American]

As salaried employees, they aren’t “overlooked”.

Yeah, they are and they aren't required in any contract nor do all teachers provide those hours. In many districts the contracted time is figured down to the minute and those minutes are all during the school day. When extra time is required for conferences etc, those hours are returned to the employee in comp time in most districts

Ask teacher groups and they will say “fair” means pay raises for the time,

I just did. I am related to a current teacher and a retired teacher.

Ask tax payers to fund those raises and they will say that teachers pay is already “fair”.

In states that don't fully fund their education system e.g. WA and ID, it isn't uncommon for taxpayers to defeat levies and most of those teachers eat the losses because they are dedicated. CA OTOH fully funds their education system and the unions pay their teachers handsomely.
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[WorldWatcher]

Yeah, they are and they aren't required in any contract nor do all teachers provide those hours. In many districts the contracted time is figured down to the minute and those minutes are all during the school day. When extra time is required for conferences etc, those hours are returned to the employee in comp time in most districts

I just did. I am related to a current teacher and a retired teacher.

In states that don't fully fund their education system e.g. WA and ID, it isn't uncommon for taxpayers to defeat levies and most of those teachers eat the losses because they are dedicated.

Thanks for basically confirming what I said.

Ask teachers (teacher groups) and they will say compensation isn't "fair" because they are overlooked.

Ask the common tax payer and they will say "ya" compensation is "fair" because they don't want to fund tax increases.

CA OTOH fully funds their education system and the unions pay their teachers handsomely.
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Unions don't pay teachers, the school system does. In some states the unions negotiate contracts, but the pay still comes from public coffers. I work in Virginia and there unions don't negotiate with out school system. They can make comments during the public budget process same as individuals - during board meetings, but there is no contract with a union on pay.

WW

 

[Concerned American]

Ask the common tax payer and they will say "ya" compensation is "fair" because they don't want to fund tax increases.

In ID, a beginning teachers salary with a masters degree is a hair over $48K. I don't think you'll find ANYONE that would say that is FAIR compensation. It is no wonder that young folks are opting for other occupations--for crying out loud a fast food worker in CA makes $44K. SMH.