Awww: Parents Upset Over Daytime Concerts at School

[80zephyr]

Not in any of my other occupations. Your mileage may vary.

When was the last non teaching job you had?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

My "lane" is Human Resources setting up contracts and pay jobs for teachers.

WW
Human Resources Information Administrator

Well apparently you suck at your job!

 

[WorldWatcher]

It is NOT a salaried position. If all of the unpaid hours were calculated into that salary, teachers wouldn't be bitching about lousy pay. You never get 2-3 months off. It's more like 6 weeks.

It's also not just one day a year. That is the point. Did you see my list of other after-school activities that are unpaid? We always completed our annual training requirements for about a week before school started. One year, I was not hired until the day before the school year started. I had to attend training after school for 3 hours each day for 18 days spread throughout the school year. My pay for that extra time? $0.

Not trying to be pain in the ass here, but if you don’t punch a time clock, isn’t that salary by definition?

Sounds to me like you’d be better off punching a clock in and out than whatever your current compensation situation is

He's incorrect. Under Federal Fair Labor and Standards Act Teachers are salaried and exempt from overtime.

"Teachers are exempt if their primary duty is teaching, tutoring, instructing or lecturing in the activity of imparting knowledge, and if they are employed and engaged in this activity as a teacher in an educational establishment. Exempt teachers include, but are not limited to, regular academic teachers; kindergarten or nursery school teachers; teachers of gifted or disabled children; teachers of skilled and semi-skilled trades and occupations; teachers engaged in automobile driving instruction; aircraft flight instructors; home economics teachers; and vocal or instrument music teachers. The salary and salary basis requirements do not apply to bona fide teachers. Having a primary duty of teaching, tutoring, instructing or lecturing in the activity of imparting knowledge includes, by its very nature, exercising discretion and judgment."

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Fact Sheet #17D: Exemption for Professional Employees Under the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA)

www.dol.gov

 

[WorldWatcher]

Well apparently you suck at your job!

No I'm very good at my job.

Maybe you should stay in your lane when it comes to labor law and teachers being FLSA since it isn't your field.

(And no, having been a teacher does not make you knowledgeable about Federal Fair Labor and Standards Act requirements.)

WW

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

When was the last non teaching job you had?

Government contractor for the US Army. 4 years when I had to retire due to illness. I have worked for car dealerships, AT&T, insurance sales, grocery stores, etc.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

No I'm very good at my job.

Maybe you should stay in your lane when it comes to labor law and teachers being FLSA since it isn't your field.

(And no, having been a teacher does not make you knowledgeable about Federal Fair Labor and Standards Act requirements.)

WW

Again, that has nothing to with the subject, so STFU.

 

[80zephyr]

Government contractor for the US Army. 4 years when I had to retire due to illness. I have worked for car dealerships, AT&T, insurance sales, grocery stores, etc.

Almost everyone I know gets some non paid training of some kind.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Almost everyone I know gets some non paid training of some kind.

I guarantee teachers have far more. I also never mentioned CE requirements to renew your certification.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Again, that has nothing to with the subject, so STFU.

Sorry you were shown to be wrong about Teachers not being salaried and you got triggered.

"Teachers are exempt if their primary duty is teaching, tutoring, instructing or lecturing in the activity of imparting knowledge, and if they are employed and engaged in this activity as a teacher in an educational establishment. Exempt teachers include, but are not limited to, regular academic teachers; kindergarten or nursery school teachers; teachers of gifted or disabled children; teachers of skilled and semi-skilled trades and occupations; teachers engaged in automobile driving instruction; aircraft flight instructors; home economics teachers; and vocal or instrument music teachers. The salary and salary basis requirements do not apply to bona fide teachers. Having a primary duty of teaching, tutoring, instructing or lecturing in the activity of imparting knowledge includes, by its very nature, exercising discretion and judgment."

WW
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Fact Sheet #17D: Exemption for Professional Employees Under the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA)

www.dol.gov

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Sorry you were shown to be wrong about Teachers not being salaried and you got triggered.

"Teachers are exempt if their primary duty is teaching, tutoring, instructing or lecturing in the activity of imparting knowledge, and if they are employed and engaged in this activity as a teacher in an educational establishment. Exempt teachers include, but are not limited to, regular academic teachers; kindergarten or nursery school teachers; teachers of gifted or disabled children; teachers of skilled and semi-skilled trades and occupations; teachers engaged in automobile driving instruction; aircraft flight instructors; home economics teachers; and vocal or instrument music teachers. The salary and salary basis requirements do not apply to bona fide teachers. Having a primary duty of teaching, tutoring, instructing or lecturing in the activity of imparting knowledge includes, by its very nature, exercising discretion and judgment."

WW
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Fact Sheet #17D: Exemption for Professional Employees Under the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA)

www.dol.gov

You can quote shit all you want, but the fact is teachers are paid a set rate for a certain number of hours per day for a contract period of a certain number of days. That is how I was paid in 7 districts in two states and for the DoD. It was how I was paid as an assistant principal also. I dont see you ******* point.

 

[80zephyr]

I guarantee teachers have far more. I also never mentioned CE requirements to renew your certification.

I wouldn't know about that.

 

[WorldWatcher]

You can quote shit all you want, but the fact is teachers are paid a set rate for a certain number of hours per day for a contract period of a certain number of days. That is how I was paid in 7 districts in two states and for the DoD. It was how I was paid as an assistant principal also. I dont see you ******* point.

That well you are wrong. You stated: "It is NOT a salaried position. ".

That is false. Teachers are exempt employees under the FLSA (meaning they are salaried employees in the common usage). They are NOT paid a set rate per hour per hours per day. They are contracted to a certain number of days and paid a per diem rate resulting in their salary. If they work less hours than in their contract, their pay is not reduced - because they ARE salaried. If they work more hours per day (for example grading papers, grading test, developing lesson plans, etc, etc.) than the contract school day they are NOT paid extra because those are core functions associated with their primary job function. (Athletics and Co-Curricular sponsor activities are in addition to their primary job and whey most school systems pay them a stipend.)

So you should really say in your land and leave compensation issues to the professionals.

And I provided an explanation for you from the Department of Labor (in post #49) - you know the people that actually classify jobs as exempt (salaried, not subject to FLSA) or non-exempt (subject to FLSA).

Now go back to your lane and shake your fist at a cloud.

WW

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

That well you are wrong. You stated: "It is NOT a salaried position. ".

That is false. Teachers are exempt employees under the FLSA (meaning they are salaried employees in the common usage). They are NOT paid a set rate per hour per hours per day. They are contracted to a certain number of days and paid a per diem rate resulting in their salary. If they work less hours than in their contract, their pay is not reduced - because they ARE salaried. If they work more hours per day (for example grading papers, grading test, developing lesson plans, etc, etc.) than the contract school day they are NOT paid extra because those are core functions associated with their primary job function. (Athletics and Co-Curricular sponsor activities are in addition to their primary job and whey most school systems pay them a stipend.)

So you should really say in your land and leave compensation issues to the professionals.

And I provided an explanation for you from the Department of Labor (in post #49) - you know the people that actually classify jobs as exempt (salaried, not subject to FLSA) or non-exempt (subject to FLSA).

Now go back to your lane and shake your fist at a cloud.

WW

You are parsing words. If you get an hourly ******* rate you aren't not on a salary, no matter what you appratchiks call it.

 

[SweetSue92]

Seems to me you are like those retired generals, admirals, and intel experts that run their yaps and sign letters now that they can't be held to account.

What like giving away state secrets? Dude, I taught Hot Cross Buns on the recorder....it's not that serious lol

 

[1srelluc]

What like giving away state secrets? Dude, I taught Hot Cross Buns on the recorder....it's not that serious lol

She has the same mindset like they do now that she's retired. Like them she would have been fired talking that shit while employed. Disingenuousness.

 

[WorldWatcher]

You are parsing words. If you get an hourly ******* rate you aren't not on a salary, no matter what you appratchiks call it.

Teachers, at least most of them, do not get an "hourly ******* rate" they get paid by the contract year. If they don't fulfil the contract year (say for example someone retires February 1st) residual pay is determined based on the number of days worked, not an hourly rate.

WW

 

[braalian]

You can quote shit all you want, but the fact is teachers are paid a set rate for a certain number of hours per day for a contract period of a certain number of days. That is how I was paid in 7 districts in two states and for the DoD. It was how I was paid as an assistant principal also. I dont see you ******* point.

Ive never been a salaried employee in my life, so I’ll admit I’m not familiar with it

But what you’re describing sure sounds like a salary to me. A predetermined yearly amount paid weekly (or biweekly), with no regard for days off nor overtime

If you aren’t hourly, you must be salaried. What else is there?

 

[WorldWatcher]

If you aren’t hourly, you must be salaried. What else is there?

For us, that applies to pretty much every FT (Full-time) employee, however there are other models:

• Full-time paid by the hour.
• Full-Time paid salary (which doesn't have to be annual it can be - for us - 10, 11, or 12 month periods).
• Part-time paid a salary for a contract period.
• Temporary paid a per diem rate (daily rate).
• Temporary paid a lump sum after the completion of specified work.
• Temporary paid a stipend/supplement (similar to a salary) for a specified period for certain work.

Must people focus on just full-time, but there are other pay models for different situations.

WW

 

[initforme]

I could understand why a working parent would not think too much of that BS.

Following the OP's line of "thinking" maybe sporting events/practices should be held during the school day too.

No more Friday Night football for you! Texas would just love that.

It would seem to me that the contract teachers sign on to would cover certain evening events. Music teachers/coaches in particular.

Tell the whiny parents to shut up and take the day off. Or skip it.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Teachers, at least most of them, do not get an "hourly ******* rate" they get paid by the contract year. If they don't fulfil the contract year (say for example someone retires February 1st) residual pay is determined based on the number of days worked, not an hourly rate.

WW

Maybe in your tiny little world, but the rest of us worked in the real world, jackass. FOAD!