Awww: Parents Upset Over Daytime Concerts at School

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Instead of accusing me of being an asshole for discussing a matter as an adult, you should look to your own posts before calling someone an asshole.

I know your old and sick, but that's no excuse to be rude.

WW

I'm sorry! You are an asshole, and I call it like I see it.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Just out of curiosity, how come teachers’ unions don’t fight to switch to an hourly wage system?

With all the unpaid overtime you seem to work, it seems you’d make more overall that way in the long run. Just save up for the summer months

Simple answer: Schools would go bankrupt!

 

[Concerned American]

I know your old and sick, but that's no excuse to be rude.

Maybe you should take some remedial classes and learn the difference between your and you're. Could be compensating your teachers better would have helped that.

 

[WorldWatcher]

In ID, a beginning teachers salary with a masters degree is a hair over $48K. I don't think you'll find ANYONE that would say that is FAIR compensation. It is no wonder that young folks are opting for other occupations--for crying out loud a fast food worker in CA makes $44K. SMH.

You can throw out numbers and I hate to be the bearer of bad news but they don't mean a lot.

Compensation is driven by area markets and there are driven by a lot of factors.

For example you compared ID starting teacher salary as $44K (I'll take that number), and then tried to compare it to fast food workers in CA. That is an apples to oranges comparison. So $44K in ID when compared to starting teacher salaries in CA are $53K to $67K with the lower end being in more rural areas and the $67K being in the larger urban school districts.

There are various factors in play which depend on such things as cost of living, property, retirement programs, health care, etc.

Saying this person here makes this compared to that person there makes that, isn't what compensation analysts look at. They look at the compensation as a market variable with the markets they compete it. Here in the Tidewater Virginia area we aren't competing with ID or CA, we are competing with other area school systems (both public and private) as the basis for total compensation packages.

WW

 

[WorldWatcher]

Maybe you should take some remedial classes and learn the difference between your and you're. Could be compensating your teachers better would have helped that.

When you are reduced to compaining about typos and autocorrect, it shows a lack of ability to focus on the intent.

You have a good evening, I've got a computer game calling my name and will check back later or tomorrow.

Merry Christmas.

WW

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

OK, if you say so, you would know obviously

personally, I would find the idea of working extra hours without being compensated fairly for them to be an intolerable deal breaker

No, actually he doesn't. Teachers are exempt for overtime purposes, but there is no contracted amount of salary like this dickhead WW claims there is. You just work until the job is done, no matter how many hours it adds up to!

He is just relying on his federal definition of "exempt" which is not really applicable to the teaching position. His district is obviously fucked up if they have 20 paydays a year. We did away with that in my school district in 2000 because hardly anyone liked that option. Everyone wanted the pay spread over 12-months, so they didn't have to have a summer job. The districts got their revenge by forcing summer training on teachers unpaid. They also got an interest free loan on the money held back to cover the summer months.

Rent and mortgage payments are 12 months a year, not that his school district knows that!

 

[Concerned American]

You can throw out numbers and I hate to be the bearer of bad news but they don't mean a lot.

Of course you don't think so. They conflict with your assertion.

Compensation is driven by area markets and there are driven by a lot of factors.

Nice fairy tale. Your generalizations haven't born any fruit in this thread so far and this one doesn't either. You need to qualify your assertions to your little corner or quit putting yourself up as an expert.

There are various factors in play which depend on such things as cost of living, property, retirement programs, health care, etc.

I can PROVE my assertions. In two towns, 18 miles apart. Average teacher salaries in one town is $60K and in the other the average teacher salary is $90K. Average housing costs in the first is $579K and the second is $555K. So much for your COL assertion.
The two towns are Liberty Lake, WA and Coeur D'Alene, ID

The average home value in Coeur d'Alene, ID is approximately $579,271 as of late 2025. The median price of a single-family home in Kootenai County is around $547,250.

Coeur d'Alene Press Zillow

The average home value in Liberty Lake, WA is approximately $555,163.

Zillow rentcafe.com

Teacher Pay by State 2026

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[Concerned American]

When you are reduced to compaining about typos and autocorrect, it shows a lack of ability to focus on the intent.

You have a good evening, I've got a computer game calling my name and will check back later or tomorrow.

Merry Christmas.

WW

Run along. Come back when you have a rebuttal.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Unkotare

You disagreed. Are you saying that Teachers are NOT FLSA Excempt employees and as such are not paid a salary for work but are in fact paid by the hour on a time clock punch-in/punch-out basis?

WW

He will NEVER answer.

So far, not a single poster has justified why teachers should take December evenings to put on events for other people's kids. It's your kid, you should be giving up the work time. Not teachers giving up evenings, esp unpaid.

They shouldn't. I agree: cancel all extracurricular activities.

No I'm very good at my job.

Maybe you should stay in your lane when it comes to labor law and teachers being FLSA since it isn't your field.

(And no, having been a teacher does not make you knowledgeable about Federal Fair Labor and Standards Act requirements.)

WW

That well you are wrong. You stated: "It is NOT a salaried position. ".

That is false. Teachers are exempt employees under the FLSA (meaning they are salaried employees in the common usage). They are NOT paid a set rate per hour per hours per day. They are contracted to a certain number of days and paid a per diem rate resulting in their salary. If they work less hours than in their contract, their pay is not reduced - because they ARE salaried. If they work more hours per day (for example grading papers, grading test, developing lesson plans, etc, etc.) than the contract school day they are NOT paid extra because those are core functions associated with their primary job function. (Athletics and Co-Curricular sponsor activities are in addition to their primary job and whey most school systems pay them a stipend.)

So you should really say in your land and leave compensation issues to the professionals.

And I provided an explanation for you from the Department of Labor (in post #49) - you know the people that actually classify jobs as exempt (salaried, not subject to FLSA) or non-exempt (subject to FLSA).

Now go back to your lane and shake your fist at a cloud.

WW

Never contradict the plebe, he KNOWS ALL! If you point out his error, he will scream and yell and insult you, with red face and flying spittle.

Ive never been a salaried employee in my life, so I’ll admit I’m not familiar with it

But what you’re describing sure sounds like a salary to me. A predetermined yearly amount paid weekly (or biweekly), with no regard for days off nor overtime

If you aren’t hourly, you must be salaried. What else is there?

Nothing that applies to teachers, usually. (Offhand, commissioned salespeople or delivery drivers paid by the piece or stop come to mind.)

 

[Jarlaxle]

I'm sorry! You are an asshole, and I call it like I see it.

The irony could be cut with a chainsaw...

 

[Unkotare]

... cancel all extracurricular activities.

...

No.

 

[Unkotare]

... There is no "unpaid time" because they don't punch a clock. ...

There are tons of unpaid time, because of all the work teachers do beyond contractual obligations.

 

[Unkotare]

The irony could be cut with a chainsaw...

Have you thought about actually trying to discuss education - ever?

 

[Unkotare]

So far, not a single poster has justified why teachers should take December evenings to put on events for other people's kids....

Because they give a shit about those kids. Because that's why they became teachers.

 

[SweetSue92]

right, I was just thinking an hourly wage system would be better for the teachers cause they work so much unpaid overtime

No one could afford us. I'm not even kidding.

 

[TheInfiniteSadness]

Teachers are FLSA exempt employees, they are paid to do a certain job. There is no "unpaid time" because they don't punch a clock. The job is to create lesson plans, develop lesson materials, deliver the information in such a way as to motivate the child to learn, check for understanding, provide out of classroom materials to support the lesson objectives (homework), evaluate understanding, and test for matery of the subjects objectives.

There is no "clock to punch" for "paid time vs. unpaid time".

The question becomes what is fair compensation for the amount of work to complete the needed tasks for the skill level required.

Oh, and BTW. Band and Chorus Directors - you know the ones that put together such programs - are some of the MOST passionate teachers that you will ever meet regarding their area.

WW

oh I'm not doubting what teachers do. Up here in Canada all high school sports where I live are coached by teachers. There is no compensation for that.

 

[Unkotare]

I've read this all over social media this year: parents upset outraged because their children's schools are putting on Christmas programs during the day.
..

Nobody cares all that much about this kind of crap.