Education Dept. : BDS activity against Israel will be defined as anti-Semitism

[Shusha]

How many of those are newly created in occupied/disputed territory vs long established? Not all Jewish or Arab towns are settlements, the term has a specific meaning.

Yes. It does have a specific meaning. One that applies only to Jews. That alone is problematic.

You are still trying to justify why what amounts to a discriminatory act.

 

[Sixties Fan]

The very idea of "settlements" (places where Jews are not permitted to live) is anti-semitic.

We agree.

Well, these are settlements where non Jews are not allowed to live.

There are settlements where non-Jews are not permitted to live? Examples?

According to Wikipedia: On 30 June 2014, according to the Yesha Council, 382,031 Israeli citizens lived in the 121 officially recognised Israeli settlements in the West Bank, almost exclusively Jewish citizens of Israel.

The law might say discrimination isn’t allowed but it de facto occurs and there seems little effort to discourage it or encourage diversity.

Likewise, ALL of Areas A and B and Gaza and all Arab villages and towns in Area C are exclusively Arab. We are AGREEING that this is discriminatory, yes? Therefore, your arguments AGAINST places where Jews live, without an equal and opposite argument AGAINST places where Arabs, live is discriminatory.

How many of those are newly created in occupied/disputed territory vs long established? Not all Jewish or Arab towns are settlements, the term has a specific meaning.

Whichever the reason, one is forgetting all the Jews who found themselves expelled from various areas of Judea and Samaria from 1929 to 1948.

It is actually re-settlement of Jewish villages and towns which used to exist in Judea and Samaria until the Arabs expelled them by force between 1929 and 1948.

How many Arab settlements were established out of the ones in which Jews were expelled during that time?

How did the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem become Arab after 1948?

 

[rylah]

FOR CONTEXT:

TEXTS ADOPTED
P8_TA(2017)0243 - Combating anti-semitism European Parliament
resolution of 1 June 2017 on combating anti-Semitism

2.Calls on the Member States and the Union institutions and agencies to adopt and apply the working definition of anti-Semitism employed by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) in order to support the judicial and law enforcement authorities in their efforts to identify and prosecute anti-Semitic attacks more efficiently and effectively, and encourages Member States to follow the example of the UK and Austria in this regard;

WORKING DEFINITION OF ANTISEMITISM

• Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.
• Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
• Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
• Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
• Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.

Examples of the ways in which antisemitism manifests itself with regard to the State of Israel taking into account the overall context could include:

• Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
• Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
• Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
• Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
• Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.

However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic.
Antisemitic acts are criminal when they are so defined by law (for example, denial of the Holocaust or distribution of antisemitic materials in some countries).

Criminal acts are antisemitic when the targets of attacks, whether they are people or property – such as buildings, schools, places of worship and cemeteries – are selected because they are, or are perceived to be, Jewish or linked to Jews.

English (English) | European Forum on Antisemitism

Cool, that leaves BDS off the hook.

Every antisemitic example listed in the document,
is used by BDS in schools and media on a systematic basis.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Arab cannot start a war to preempt Jewish Independence action and then blame the result of the conflict outcome on the Israelis.

Here again, you are basing your conclusions on false premise.

The Palestinians did not initiate any violence against anybody. The first violence was by the Zionist settler colonial project. The Palestinians have always been in the defensive position.

Palestinian civilians have been under military attack for a hundred years. Yet the Palestinian's response to these attacks is expected to be pristine.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Whichever the reason, one is forgetting all the Jews who found themselves expelled from various areas of Judea and Samaria from 1929 to 1948.

That was a response to the attacks by the Zionist's settler colonial project.

 

[rylah]

Whichever the reason, one is forgetting all the Jews who found themselves expelled from various areas of Judea and Samaria from 1929 to 1948.

That was a response to the attacks by the Zionist's settler colonial project.

And what was the excuse for Arab Pogroms against Palestinian Jews before Zionism?
Yep...it were the same antisemitic blood libels, BDS is just the same.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Whichever the reason, one is forgetting all the Jews who found themselves expelled from various areas of Judea and Samaria from 1929 to 1948.

That was a response to the attacks by the Zionist's settler colonial project.

And what was the excuse for Arab Pogroms against Palestinian Jews before Zionism?
Yep...it were the same antisemitic blood libels, BDS is just the same.

Like?

 

[Hollie]

Whichever the reason, one is forgetting all the Jews who found themselves expelled from various areas of Judea and Samaria from 1929 to 1948.

That was a response to the attacks by the Zionist's settler colonial project.

What attacks?

Link?

 

[rylah]

GERMAN INTELLIGENCE AGENCY DEEMS BDS ANTISEMITIC
This is believed to be the first instance of a German domestic intelligence agency labeling BDS as antisemitic and a security threat.

This is believed to be the first instance of a German domestic intelligence agency labeling BDS as antisemitic and a security threat.

The intelligence report, which was published on May 24, said propaganda by the neo-Nazi party Der Dritte Weg (The Third Way) to boycott Israeli products "roughly recalls similar measures against German Jews by the National Socialists, for example, on April 1 1933 (the slogan: 'Germans! Defend yourselves! Don't buy from Jews!')."

The intelligence agency quoted a January 2017 text from The Third Way's website stating that "the Israeli economy is very dependent on exports... and therefore, as active help for the Palestinian freedom struggle, one should avoid Israeli products when shopping in local supermarkets and all products manufactured by foreign companies that invest in Israel."

According to the Baden-Württemberg intelligence report, The Third Way's articles range from "right-wing extremism to neo-Nazi."

In 2017, The Jerusalem Post reported that The Third Way's website published a report on the group’s visit to Lebanon to champion Hezbollah’s 2006 war against Israel.

The Third Way uses the online payment service PayPal to raise funds for its activities. When asked about the Third Way, a PayPal representative told the Post: "Due to customer confidentiality, we cannot comment on the details of any specific PayPal account. However, we would like to stress that PayPal has zero tolerance for the use of our secure payments platform to facilitate illegal activities. We make every effort to comply with laws and regulations around the world. Compliance with these laws is something we take very seriously. We carefully review questionable activities reported to us, and discontinue our relationship with account holders found to violate our policies."

Labeling BDS as antisemitic could have far-reaching consequences for German politicians and public and private organizations that engage in pro-BDS activity.

Several German banks retain BDS-related accounts. The Bank for Social Economy holds four accounts enabling BDS — the highest number in Germany, according to research conducted by the Post.

Last week, German Jewish shareholders called for a probe into the bank's BDS-linked accounts. The Central Welfare Board of Jews in Germany is a partial owner of the Bank for Social Economy and has told the bank to terminate its promotion of BDS activity.

German intelligence agency deems BDS antisemitic

 

[rylah]

Whichever the reason, one is forgetting all the Jews who found themselves expelled from various areas of Judea and Samaria from 1929 to 1948.

That was a response to the attacks by the Zionist's settler colonial project.

And what was the excuse for Arab Pogroms against Palestinian Jews before Zionism?
Yep...it were the same antisemitic blood libels, BDS is just the same.

Like?

Like the Damascus Affair which resulted in consequent waves of pogroms,
like the 33 days of rape, murder and expulsion of Palestinian Jews from their holy cities at the hands of their Arab neighbors.

Q.What language and excuses were used to incite Arab pogroms
against Palestinian Jews before Zionism?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Education Dept. : BDS activity against Israel will be defined as anti-Semitism
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

As a general rule, criticizing or discussing on the need for change in government policy (foreign and domestic) is suppose to be a healthy thing. It encourages citizen participation and engagement.

IF the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) Movement were to stick to the legal and moral debate about the Israeli Occupation and the legitimacy of Israeli seizures of [Annexation and Settlements (two different types of seizure)] real estate and territory, THEN that would not be anti-Semetic. That would be perfectly acceptable. Provided that the treatise used is not anti-Semitic - in and by itself.

Criticizing government policy and actions is not anti Semitic.

(COMMENT)

But I do not believe that anti-Semitism should be able to hide behind the color of law. (The appearance of a legal right.).

This is especially true when the speech takes on a character that tends to incite the audience to violence or encourage others to commit criminal acts (where otherwise legal advocacy is bound to produce incite or promote imminent lawless action).

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

Whichever the reason, one is forgetting all the Jews who found themselves expelled from various areas of Judea and Samaria from 1929 to 1948.

That was a response to the attacks by the Zionist's settler colonial project.

What attacks?

Link?

 

[rylah]

Whichever the reason, one is forgetting all the Jews who found themselves expelled from various areas of Judea and Samaria from 1929 to 1948.

That was a response to the attacks by the Zionist's settler colonial project.

What attacks?

Link?

Why do all such presentations start in the middle of the conflict?
No mention of Arab pogroms and systematic discrimination against Palestinian Jews ,
that preceded it all.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Education Dept. : BDS activity against Israel will be defined as anti-Semitism
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

As a general rule, criticizing or discussing on the need for change in government policy (foreign and domestic) is suppose to be a healthy thing. It encourages citizen participation and engagement.

IF the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) Movement were to stick to the legal and moral debate about the Israeli Occupation and the legitimacy of Israeli seizures of [Annexation and Settlements (two different types of seizure)] real estate and territory, THEN that would not be anti-Semetic. That would be perfectly acceptable. Provided that the treatise used is not anti-Semitic - in and by itself.

Criticizing government policy and actions is not anti Semitic.

(COMMENT)

But I do not believe that anti-Semitism should be able to hide behind the color of law. (The appearance of a legal right.).

This is especially true when the speech takes on a character that tends to incite the audience to violence or encourage others to commit criminal acts (where otherwise legal advocacy is bound to produce incite or promote imminent lawless action).

Most Respectfully,
R

OK, I can agree, but where does BDS run afoul of these principles

 

[rylah]

RE: Education Dept. : BDS activity against Israel will be defined as anti-Semitism
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

As a general rule, criticizing or discussing on the need for change in government policy (foreign and domestic) is suppose to be a healthy thing. It encourages citizen participation and engagement.

IF the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) Movement were to stick to the legal and moral debate about the Israeli Occupation and the legitimacy of Israeli seizures of [Annexation and Settlements (two different types of seizure)] real estate and territory, THEN that would not be anti-Semetic. That would be perfectly acceptable. Provided that the treatise used is not anti-Semitic - in and by itself.

Criticizing government policy and actions is not anti Semitic.

(COMMENT)

But I do not believe that anti-Semitism should be able to hide behind the color of law. (The appearance of a legal right.).

This is especially true when the speech takes on a character that tends to incite the audience to violence or encourage others to commit criminal acts (where otherwise legal advocacy is bound to produce incite or promote imminent lawless action).

Most Respectfully,
R

OK, I can agree, but where does BDS run afoul of these principles

Promoting murderous slogans and blood libels is protected by which US law?

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Education Dept. : BDS activity against Israel will be defined as anti-Semitism
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

As a general rule, criticizing or discussing on the need for change in government policy (foreign and domestic) is suppose to be a healthy thing. It encourages citizen participation and engagement.

IF the Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) Movement were to stick to the legal and moral debate about the Israeli Occupation and the legitimacy of Israeli seizures of [Annexation and Settlements (two different types of seizure)] real estate and territory, THEN that would not be anti-Semetic. That would be perfectly acceptable. Provided that the treatise used is not anti-Semitic - in and by itself.

Criticizing government policy and actions is not anti Semitic.

(COMMENT)

But I do not believe that anti-Semitism should be able to hide behind the color of law. (The appearance of a legal right.).

This is especially true when the speech takes on a character that tends to incite the audience to violence or encourage others to commit criminal acts (where otherwise legal advocacy is bound to produce incite or promote imminent lawless action).

Most Respectfully,
R

OK, I can agree, but where does BDS run afoul of these principles

Promoting murderous slogans and blood libels is protected by which US law?

Links?

 

[rylah]

Trump's Education Department weighs in on anti-Semitism case

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump’s Education Department has reopened an old discrimination case against Rutgers University and is revisiting what constitutes anti-Semitism.

The case stems from a 2011 event sponsored at Rutgers by an outside organization that was accused of charging Jewish attendees for admission while allowing others in for free.

The initial investigation was closed by the department under President Barack Obama’s administration in 2014. But the Zionist Group of America says the department has reopened the case based on its appeal.

In a letter to the group, Kenneth Marcus, the assistant secretary of education for civil rights, cites a broad definition of anti-Semitism that includes, among other things, “holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.”

That language was adopted in 2016 by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance, an intergovernmental group that includes the United States and European Union states, and was embraced by the State Department under the Obama administration.

In his letter, Marcus also said discrimination “on the basis of actual or perceived shared ancestry or ethnic characteristics” would violate federal discrimination laws and falls under the agency’s description. The statement appears to indicate that the department is considering anti-Semitism as discrimination against an ethnic group, not a religious one.

 

[member]

Whichever the reason, one is forgetting all the Jews who found themselves expelled from various areas of Judea and Samaria from 1929 to 1948.

That was a response to the attacks by the Zionist's settler colonial project.

What attacks?

Link?

Link?

 

[rylah]

WORKING DEFINITION OF ANTISEMITISM

• Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.
• Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
• Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
• Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
• Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.

Examples of the ways in which antisemitism manifests itself with regard to the State of Israel taking into account the overall context could include:

• Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
• Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
• Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
• Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
• Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.

However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic.
Antisemitic acts are criminal when they are so defined by law (for example, denial of the Holocaust or distribution of antisemitic materials in some countries).

Criminal acts are antisemitic when the targets of attacks, whether they are people or property – such as buildings, schools, places of worship and cemeteries – are selected because they are, or are perceived to be, Jewish or linked to Jews.

English (English) | European Forum on Antisemitism



Q. Any category from the hate list that BDS doesn't employ on a systematic basis?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Trump's Education Department weighs in on anti-Semitism case

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump’s Education Department has reopened an old discrimination case against Rutgers University and is revisiting what constitutes anti-Semitism.

The case stems from a 2011 event sponsored at Rutgers by an outside organization that was accused of charging Jewish attendees for admission while allowing others in for free.

The initial investigation was closed by the department under President Barack Obama’s administration in 2014. But the Zionist Group of America says the department has reopened the case based on its appeal.

In a letter to the group, Kenneth Marcus, the assistant secretary of education for civil rights, cites a broad definition of anti-Semitism that includes, among other things, “holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.”

That language was adopted in 2016 by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance, an intergovernmental group that includes the United States and European Union states, and was embraced by the State Department under the Obama administration.

In his letter, Marcus also said discrimination “on the basis of actual or perceived shared ancestry or ethnic characteristics” would violate federal discrimination laws and falls under the agency’s description. The statement appears to indicate that the department is considering anti-Semitism as discrimination against an ethnic group, not a religious one.