Zone1 Early Christians believed that the bread and wine used in the Eucharist were transformed into the body and blood of Christ

[ding]

When the Bible states in several places that God has made us priests, the smart thing is to believe it. Why deny a title God has given you?

Because God didn't give it to me. That's your interpretation. I don't believe God gave it to you either. I'm not a priest or a saint or even a very good person. I'm a sinner. I would much rather underestimate my abilities than to overestimate my abilities. That is the smart thing to do.

 

[ding]

The Bible does not specify only the first Christians or only those who were violently persecuted for their beliefs are priests. It says BELIEVERS are priests, and I for one will not refuse a title given me by God. Why would you ever do something like that and spit in God's face?

Oh, and I'm not asking for YOUR opinion of the title God has given me. That's from Him and you have nothing to say about it. And this is the very reason I oppose the Catholic Church creating a class of administrators named priests.

Context says it did. Or have you spoken in tongues? You oppose the HRCC for more than one reason. You and others like you have a deep seated bias against the Church. Personally, I couldn't care less. It's your loss.

 

[The Irish Ram]

I don't see how it is the same. You don't believe it is the body and blood of Christ. Therefore, for you, it's not. For me it is. It's how I suffer with Him.

I believe it represents the blood and the body. It is not actually blood or flesh being handed out.
As for your personal relation to it, if it brings you closer to Jesus, then I applaud your tenderness and desire to share Christ's passion.

 

[hadit]

Because God didn't give it to me. That's your interpretation. I don't believe God gave it to you either. I'm not a priest or a saint or even a very good person. I'm a sinner. I would much rather underestimate my abilities than to overestimate my abilities. That is the smart thing to do.

This is why it was such a bad idea for Catholics to call that group "priests" as well as naming only specific people "saints", because again the Bible says we are ALL saints (so we'd better be acting like it)

Romans 7:

7: To all those in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints:
Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Revelation 5:

8: And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.

1 Corinthians 1:

2: To the church of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints together with all those who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, both their Lord and ours:

See, we are CALLED to be saints, and that has nothing to do with a certifying a certain number of miracles or a large number of good deeds long after someone dies. We are ALL called to be saints. This is why I object to the Catholic Church deifying humans as special kinds of saints, because it pollutes the thinking of believers.

We ARE priests, and we ARE saints, by the grace of God. It has nothing to do with us at all. Read it, love it and live it.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Because God didn't give it to me. That's your interpretation. I don't believe God gave it to you either. I'm not a priest or a saint or even a very good person. I'm a sinner.

Ding, do you believe that that is how God sees you?

 

[ding]

This is why it was such a bad idea for Catholics to call that group "priests" as well as naming only specific people "saints", because again the Bible says we are ALL saints (so we'd better be acting like it)

Romans 7:

7: To all those in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints:
Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Revelation 5:

8: And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.

1 Corinthians 1:

2: To the church of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints together with all those who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, both their Lord and ours:

See, we are CALLED to be saints, and that has nothing to do with a certifying a certain number of miracles or a large number of good deeds long after someone dies. We are ALL called to be saints. This is why I object to the Catholic Church deifying humans as special kinds of saints, because it pollutes the thinking of believers.

We ARE priests, and we ARE saints, by the grace of God. It has nothing to do with us at all. Read it, love it and live it.

Knock yourself out. All I see is the Dunning effect in you. Mark 2:17

 

[hadit]

Context says it did. Or have you spoken in tongues? You oppose the HRCC for more than one reason. You and others like you have a deep seated bias against the Church. Personally, I couldn't care less. It's your loss.

Yes, I have spoken in tongues, what of it? It is a gift of God that has nothing to do with my being made a priest and a saint by God's grace and choice.

As for opposing the Catholic Church, I oppose the heavy burden of tradition and ritual it has imposed on believers who are supposed to be free in Christ. I oppose the corruption it has allowed and its entanglement with political power. I oppose its exclusionary nature, telling those who truly love the Lord that they are unworthy because they attend a church that is not Catholic.

I don't oppose any who truly wish to follow Christ and whose hearts are dedicated to loving Him.

 

[hadit]

Knock yourself out. All I see is the Dunning effect in you. Mark 2:17

What you see is the result of God's work in me, nothing that I have done. If I am now among the well, it is because I was once among the sick and Jesus called me.

 

[ding]

Yes, I have spoken in tongues, what of it? It is a gift of God that has nothing to do with my being made a priest and a saint by God's grace and choice.

As for opposing the Catholic Church, I oppose the heavy burden of tradition and ritual it has imposed on believers who are supposed to be free in Christ. I oppose the corruption it has allowed and its entanglement with political power. I oppose its exclusionary nature, telling those who truly love the Lord that they are unworthy because they attend a church that is not Catholic.

I don't oppose any who truly wish to follow Christ and whose hearts are dedicated to loving Him.

I'm pretty skeptical of those claims. Same goes for snake handlers, people who think they will become gods and door to door salesmen.

 

[hadit]

I'm pretty skeptical of those claims. Same goes for snake handlers, people who think they will become gods and door to door salesmen.

What is private between God and me has no need to prove anything to you. You asked, I answered, that's all.

 

[ding]

What you see is the result of God's work in me, nothing that I have done. If I am now among the well, it is because I was once among the sick and Jesus called me.

I don't see it. For the most part I see you working against God. You remind me of the Pharisees who embraced the form of religion. You worship a book.

 

[ding]

What is private between God and me has no need to prove anything to you. You asked, I answered, that's all.

I'm not asking for proof or for you to convince me.

 

[hadit]

I don't see it. For the most part I see you working against God. You remind me of the Pharisees who embraced the form of religion. You worship a book.

I worship the writer of that book. If something comes at me that is opposed to that book, I do not accept it. That's why I do not accept you telling me I am not a priest or a saint. The writer of the book says I am, and I choose to believe Him.

I find it odd that a Catholic, bound so tightly by written traditions and rituals, accuses me of worshipping a book.

 

[hadit]

I'm not asking for proof or for you to convince me.

You said you were skeptical. That generally indicates that you have an opinion about something I said, to which I responded.

 

[ding]

I worship the writer of that book. If something comes at me that is opposed to that book, I do not accept it. That's why I do not accept you telling me I am not a priest or a saint. The writer of the book says I am, and I choose to believe Him.

I find it odd that a Catholic, bound so tightly by written traditions and rituals, accuses me of worshipping a book.

Men wrote the bible.

 

[hadit]

Men wrote the bible.

As they were inspired by the Holy Spirit. Are you now saying the Scriptures are not the Word of God? That's a whole different ballgame, and it would explain a lot of why you can blithely ignore inconvenient Scriptures.

 

[Meriweather]

Do you maintain that the modern Catholic priest is on par with the Levitical priesthood?

No

 

[Meriweather]

That's because "special priesthood" was added on while royal priesthood is something God created and explicitly gave us in Scripture. I've explained I have no problem with a group being ordained with specific authority but have a problem with the title "priest" being used for something not in Scripture and how it leads to Christians denying one of the titles given them by God.

You are making a mountain out of nothing. I have no idea why it bothers one person so much.

 

[ding]

As they were inspired by the Holy Spirit. Are you now saying the Scriptures are not the Word of God? That's a whole different ballgame, and it would explain a lot of why you can blithely ignore inconvenient Scriptures.

Depends on how you understand the use of embellishment in the OT. For example if you tell me that it's the word of God that everything in Exodus happened exactly as described I'll argue it wasn't. I'll argue the word of God is that an exodus did occur but was embellished to make the account more memorable and easier to pass down. The point of the account was to describe a turning point moment in a people's transition from polytheism to monotheism not the miracles. In much the same way as Peter's letters were about encouraging the first Christians facing persecution and not the establishment of the precedent of no need for formal priests.

 

[ding]

it would explain a lot of why you can blithely ignore inconvenient Scriptures.

No offense, but I know way more about scriptures than you will ever know. You are long on form and short on spirit.

For instance, why was Christ sleeping in the boat while the storm was raging? Any clue? And who was Jesus teaching a lesson to in the account of the woman pleading for her daughter? Or why was the father waiting at the end of the road in the parable of the prodigal son?

You don't know anything. So don't presume to think you are better than anyone.