Doubling State’s 1,100 Wind Turbines Won’t Replace This One Coal/Gas Plant ( Michigan)

[bripat9643]

Then use natural gas.

We should be aiming to replace natural gas use.

Na, not really
It’s unlimited basically in this country… And extremely cheap. Up here in north western South Dakota I heated both my shop and my house for the whole winter last year for just under 600 bucks with natural gas.

I disagree.
First of all, natural gas is only cheap now because of new fracking techniques that actually work way too well and leak almost half the natural gas to the environment.
Second is that natural gas is in much smaller supply than oil in this country, and we only have a couple decades worth left.
What we do have hundreds of years worth is coal, not natural gas or oil.

Even this graph is not quite accurate because coal is almost everywhere.
While natural gas requires not just the ancient 100 million year old swamp to start with, but also the salt dome to collect it.
And the graph shows a faster decline in coal than one would expect, but that is due to the reality that coal is now and will likely always remain the main source of electrical energy production.

Your graph has no sources, so it's worthless.

Who said half all the gas from fracking leaks into the atmosphere?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I agree: nuclear power across the board.

Possibly, yes, but there are barriers to that. The Obama administration offered 4 government-guaranteed loans to entice companies to build power plants. Not one company took up the opportunity.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

It’s unlimited basically in this country… And extremely cheap.

It becomes less cheap when all pf the long term costs are figured in. But i agree that reacements should be more economical to be viable. Which isvyet another reason to pour money into subsidizing alt energy.

Lol
There’s a lot of the areas of this country that renewables do not work and a lot of areas where it does, wind certainly does not work up here in the northern plains and solar is hit or miss at best.

But you are making determinations based on current each. Thats not an appropriate response when discussing improving the tech.

Solar is never "hit or miss". The Sun shines everywhere on the planet, sometimes. The barrier to solar is capacitor tech.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Plenty of your Komrades have suggested exactly that.

As have some of your fellow neonazis. But they aren't here. The adults are trying to talk, in this thread.

 

[ph3iron]

America has slightly over 400 coal plants. That means it would take about 800,000 wind turbines to replace all of our coal fire power plants. Just imagine how many birds they would slaughter every year. And they still require 100% backup!

Doubling State’s 1,100 Wind Turbines Won’t Replace This One Coal/Gas Plant

Michigan’s electric utilities gamble that the reliability of service won’t collapse.

Consumers Energy would have to double the number of wind turbines currently operating in this state to replace the electricity produced by just one of the coal- and gas-fired power plants it intends to close as part of its plans to rely more on renewable sources. The problem, however, is that those additional turbines only spin about one-third of the time, leaving a big energy gap for the households and businesses that rely on the company for their electricity.

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regulated utilities and their vendors operate 1,107 industrial wind turbines in Michigan. These can produce 1,925.3 megawatts of electricity, but only when the wind is blowing. ​

Wonder why Germany is doing ok with wind?

 

[ph3iron]

America has slightly over 400 coal plants. That means it would take about 800,000 wind turbines to replace all of our coal fire power plants. Just imagine how many birds they would slaughter every year. And they still require 100% backup!

Doubling State’s 1,100 Wind Turbines Won’t Replace This One Coal/Gas Plant

Michigan’s electric utilities gamble that the reliability of service won’t collapse.

Consumers Energy would have to double the number of wind turbines currently operating in this state to replace the electricity produced by just one of the coal- and gas-fired power plants it intends to close as part of its plans to rely more on renewable sources. The problem, however, is that those additional turbines only spin about one-third of the time, leaving a big energy gap for the households and businesses that rely on the company for their electricity.

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regulated utilities and their vendors operate 1,107 industrial wind turbines in Michigan. These can produce 1,925.3 megawatts of electricity, but only when the wind is blowing. ​

Wonder why Germany is doing ok with wind?

I just think it's amazing a country which sent a man to the moon decades ago can't get away from coal.
Big money?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

America has slightly over 400 coal plants. That means it would take about 800,000 wind turbines to replace all of our coal fire power plants. Just imagine how many birds they would slaughter every year. And they still require 100% backup!

Doubling State’s 1,100 Wind Turbines Won’t Replace This One Coal/Gas Plant

Michigan’s electric utilities gamble that the reliability of service won’t collapse.

Consumers Energy would have to double the number of wind turbines currently operating in this state to replace the electricity produced by just one of the coal- and gas-fired power plants it intends to close as part of its plans to rely more on renewable sources. The problem, however, is that those additional turbines only spin about one-third of the time, leaving a big energy gap for the households and businesses that rely on the company for their electricity.

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regulated utilities and their vendors operate 1,107 industrial wind turbines in Michigan. These can produce 1,925.3 megawatts of electricity, but only when the wind is blowing. ​

Wonder why Germany is doing ok with wind?

I just think it's amazing a country which sent a man to the moon decades ago can't get away from coal.
Big money?

Yes and no. While, of course, corporations will protect their interests and their shareholders, coal is still more economical to a lot of people, in the short term.

 

[Wyatt earp]

America has slightly over 400 coal plants. That means it would take about 800,000 wind turbines to replace all of our coal fire power plants. Just imagine how many birds they would slaughter every year. And they still require 100% backup!

Doubling State’s 1,100 Wind Turbines Won’t Replace This One Coal/Gas Plant

Michigan’s electric utilities gamble that the reliability of service won’t collapse.

Consumers Energy would have to double the number of wind turbines currently operating in this state to replace the electricity produced by just one of the coal- and gas-fired power plants it intends to close as part of its plans to rely more on renewable sources. The problem, however, is that those additional turbines only spin about one-third of the time, leaving a big energy gap for the households and businesses that rely on the company for their electricity.

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regulated utilities and their vendors operate 1,107 industrial wind turbines in Michigan. These can produce 1,925.3 megawatts of electricity, but only when the wind is blowing. ​

Sorry, but you can't spin getting rid of coal plants as a bad thing. It's not.

'Coal is on the way out': study finds fossil fuel now pricier than solar or wind

Tell us why?


Think ...


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[bripat9643]

America has slightly over 400 coal plants. That means it would take about 800,000 wind turbines to replace all of our coal fire power plants. Just imagine how many birds they would slaughter every year. And they still require 100% backup!

Doubling State’s 1,100 Wind Turbines Won’t Replace This One Coal/Gas Plant

Michigan’s electric utilities gamble that the reliability of service won’t collapse.

Consumers Energy would have to double the number of wind turbines currently operating in this state to replace the electricity produced by just one of the coal- and gas-fired power plants it intends to close as part of its plans to rely more on renewable sources. The problem, however, is that those additional turbines only spin about one-third of the time, leaving a big energy gap for the households and businesses that rely on the company for their electricity.

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regulated utilities and their vendors operate 1,107 industrial wind turbines in Michigan. These can produce 1,925.3 megawatts of electricity, but only when the wind is blowing. ​

Wonder why Germany is doing ok with wind?

They aren't doing OK. Their power bills are three times what we pay. Many in the lower income groups can't afford to pay theirs. They have frequent brownouts.

 

[bripat9643]

Plenty of your Komrades have suggested exactly that.

As have some of your fellow neonazis. But they aren't here. The adults are trying to talk, in this thread.

I don't have any fellow neonazis, and the ones I've heard about don't support wind energy.

BTW, I started this thread, dumbass.

 

[Wyatt earp]

America has slightly over 400 coal plants. That means it would take about 800,000 wind turbines to replace all of our coal fire power plants. Just imagine how many birds they would slaughter every year. And they still require 100% backup!

Doubling State’s 1,100 Wind Turbines Won’t Replace This One Coal/Gas Plant

Michigan’s electric utilities gamble that the reliability of service won’t collapse.

Consumers Energy would have to double the number of wind turbines currently operating in this state to replace the electricity produced by just one of the coal- and gas-fired power plants it intends to close as part of its plans to rely more on renewable sources. The problem, however, is that those additional turbines only spin about one-third of the time, leaving a big energy gap for the households and businesses that rely on the company for their electricity.

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regulated utilities and their vendors operate 1,107 industrial wind turbines in Michigan. These can produce 1,925.3 megawatts of electricity, but only when the wind is blowing. ​

Wonder why Germany is doing ok with wind?

I just think it's amazing a country which sent a man to the moon decades ago can't get away from coal.
Big money?

Your comparing sending the man to the moon with 800 year plus ancient wind mill technology?


How dare you, we have at least a 250 year supply of cheap coal underfoot in America.


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[HappyJoy]

America has slightly over 400 coal plants. That means it would take about 800,000 wind turbines to replace all of our coal fire power plants. Just imagine how many birds they would slaughter every year. And they still require 100% backup!

Doubling State’s 1,100 Wind Turbines Won’t Replace This One Coal/Gas Plant

Michigan’s electric utilities gamble that the reliability of service won’t collapse.

Consumers Energy would have to double the number of wind turbines currently operating in this state to replace the electricity produced by just one of the coal- and gas-fired power plants it intends to close as part of its plans to rely more on renewable sources. The problem, however, is that those additional turbines only spin about one-third of the time, leaving a big energy gap for the households and businesses that rely on the company for their electricity.

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regulated utilities and their vendors operate 1,107 industrial wind turbines in Michigan. These can produce 1,925.3 megawatts of electricity, but only when the wind is blowing. ​

America has coal plants. America has natural gas plants. America has oil fired plants. America has nuclear plants.

With all those ways of driving steam turbines, why do you think the only alternative is wind turbines? Couldn't wind be included in electrical generation the way coal, oil, natural gas and nuclear are?

The AGW cult believes that only solar and wind are viable alternatives.

Nope, almost anything is better than coal.

Hardly. Wind power is intermittent, kills billions of birds, and it requires 100% backup. How is it better?

By the way, if you're so concerned about birds why not stop using your cell phone? Those towers kill way more birds than wind turbines do, not to mention climate change has also had a negative impact on the bird population. But you don't really care, do you?

Wrong. Birds can easily avoid stationary towers. Birds frequently perch on them. You just made that up

Billions? You're an idiot.

Wind turbines kill fewer birds than do cats, cell towers

 

[Paul Motter]

Why renewables can’t save the planet | Michael Shellenberger | TEDxDanubia

 

[bripat9643]

America has slightly over 400 coal plants. That means it would take about 800,000 wind turbines to replace all of our coal fire power plants. Just imagine how many birds they would slaughter every year. And they still require 100% backup!

Doubling State’s 1,100 Wind Turbines Won’t Replace This One Coal/Gas Plant

Michigan’s electric utilities gamble that the reliability of service won’t collapse.

Consumers Energy would have to double the number of wind turbines currently operating in this state to replace the electricity produced by just one of the coal- and gas-fired power plants it intends to close as part of its plans to rely more on renewable sources. The problem, however, is that those additional turbines only spin about one-third of the time, leaving a big energy gap for the households and businesses that rely on the company for their electricity.

..

regulated utilities and their vendors operate 1,107 industrial wind turbines in Michigan. These can produce 1,925.3 megawatts of electricity, but only when the wind is blowing. ​

America has coal plants. America has natural gas plants. America has oil fired plants. America has nuclear plants.

With all those ways of driving steam turbines, why do you think the only alternative is wind turbines? Couldn't wind be included in electrical generation the way coal, oil, natural gas and nuclear are?

The AGW cult believes that only solar and wind are viable alternatives.

Nope, almost anything is better than coal.

Hardly. Wind power is intermittent, kills billions of birds, and it requires 100% backup. How is it better?

By the way, if you're so concerned about birds why not stop using your cell phone? Those towers kill way more birds than wind turbines do, not to mention climate change has also had a negative impact on the bird population. But you don't really care, do you?

Wrong. Birds can easily avoid stationary towers. Birds frequently perch on them. You just made that up

Billions? You're an idiot.

Wind turbines kill fewer birds than do cats, cell towers

How Do Wind Turbines Kill Birds?

Wind turbines kill more than 573,000 birds each year in the United States, according to The Associated Press, including federally protected species like bald eagles and golden eagles. [In Photos: Birds of Prey]​

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

BTW, I started this thread,

And then trolled it. As you always do with your threads.

 

[HappyJoy]

America has coal plants. America has natural gas plants. America has oil fired plants. America has nuclear plants.

With all those ways of driving steam turbines, why do you think the only alternative is wind turbines? Couldn't wind be included in electrical generation the way coal, oil, natural gas and nuclear are?

The AGW cult believes that only solar and wind are viable alternatives.

Nope, almost anything is better than coal.

Hardly. Wind power is intermittent, kills billions of birds, and it requires 100% backup. How is it better?

By the way, if you're so concerned about birds why not stop using your cell phone? Those towers kill way more birds than wind turbines do, not to mention climate change has also had a negative impact on the bird population. But you don't really care, do you?

Wrong. Birds can easily avoid stationary towers. Birds frequently perch on them. You just made that up

Billions? You're an idiot.

Wind turbines kill fewer birds than do cats, cell towers

How Do Wind Turbines Kill Birds?

Wind turbines kill more than 573,000 birds each year in the United States, according to The Associated Press, including federally protected species like bald eagles and golden eagles. [In Photos: Birds of Prey]​

500k vs "billions"? Thanks for admitting you lied bigly.

You also didn't contradict that cell phone towers kill more birds, because they simply do.

Glass buildings kill birds but one thing that makes species go extinct is climate change.

So, have fun kidding yourself with the small things.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Your comparing sending the man to the moon with 800 year plus ancient wind mill technology?

Of course he isnt. What an idiotic post. The turbine and capacitor tech is cutting edge.

 

[August West]

America has slightly over 400 coal plants. That means it would take about 800,000 wind turbines to replace all of our coal fire power plants. Just imagine how many birds they would slaughter every year. And they still require 100% backup!

Doubling State’s 1,100 Wind Turbines Won’t Replace This One Coal/Gas Plant

Michigan’s electric utilities gamble that the reliability of service won’t collapse.

Consumers Energy would have to double the number of wind turbines currently operating in this state to replace the electricity produced by just one of the coal- and gas-fired power plants it intends to close as part of its plans to rely more on renewable sources. The problem, however, is that those additional turbines only spin about one-third of the time, leaving a big energy gap for the households and businesses that rely on the company for their electricity.

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regulated utilities and their vendors operate 1,107 industrial wind turbines in Michigan. These can produce 1,925.3 megawatts of electricity, but only when the wind is blowing. ​

Ontario got rid of all of its coal fired plants and replaced them with wind mills. We have so much power from them, we're selling it to Americans. Here's a clue - the wind is always blowing - always. We have thousands of windmills in our country. Even on hot muggy days when there's barely a breeze, the windmills are turning. Ironically, when it's really windy, they shut them down, for safety reasons.

You conservative idiots are clinging to outmoded systems and models. It will destroy your country. You're being left behind.

Mostof Ontario's power comes from hydroelectric. You are simply lying about how much comes from wind.

Every two thousand windmills is the equivalent of one coal fired power plant.

The new turbines power 8,000 homes each and they won`t ruin 3,000 miles of streams in my state like coal has. How much coal does it take to power 3,000 homes?
Can Wind Turbines Be Recycled? | Earth911.com

 

[Wyatt earp]

Your comparing sending the man to the moon with 800 year plus ancient wind mill technology?

Of course he isnt. What an idiotic post. The turbine and capacitor tech is cutting edge.

My ass it is...



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[Wyatt earp]

America has slightly over 400 coal plants. That means it would take about 800,000 wind turbines to replace all of our coal fire power plants. Just imagine how many birds they would slaughter every year. And they still require 100% backup!

Doubling State’s 1,100 Wind Turbines Won’t Replace This One Coal/Gas Plant

Michigan’s electric utilities gamble that the reliability of service won’t collapse.

Consumers Energy would have to double the number of wind turbines currently operating in this state to replace the electricity produced by just one of the coal- and gas-fired power plants it intends to close as part of its plans to rely more on renewable sources. The problem, however, is that those additional turbines only spin about one-third of the time, leaving a big energy gap for the households and businesses that rely on the company for their electricity.

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regulated utilities and their vendors operate 1,107 industrial wind turbines in Michigan. These can produce 1,925.3 megawatts of electricity, but only when the wind is blowing. ​

Ontario got rid of all of its coal fired plants and replaced them with wind mills. We have so much power from them, we're selling it to Americans. Here's a clue - the wind is always blowing - always. We have thousands of windmills in our country. Even on hot muggy days when there's barely a breeze, the windmills are turning. Ironically, when it's really windy, they shut them down, for safety reasons.

You conservative idiots are clinging to outmoded systems and models. It will destroy your country. You're being left behind.

Mostof Ontario's power comes from hydroelectric. You are simply lying about how much comes from wind.

Every two thousand windmills is the equivalent of one coal fired power plant.

The new turbines power 8,000 homes each and they won`t ruin 3,000 miles of streams in my state like coal has. How much coal does it take to power 3,000 homes?
Can Wind Turbines Be Recycled? | Earth911.com

How did it ruin them be specific liar.


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