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he isnt doing his job; that isnt the job of a reporter loon. you idiots just love making fools of yourselves with false narratives
Donald Trump kicks out Reporter! Nice. lol
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he isnt doing his job; that isnt the job of a reporter loon. you idiots just love making fools of yourselves with false narratives
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When they are born here. Only Republicans want to make sure it's the "right kind".
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Donald Trump Gets Earful in Spanish as Latino Outlets Air Disdain
In addition to his comments calling Mexican immigrants drug dealers and rapists, Mr. Trump’s immigration plan — which includes erecting a wall along the southern border and ending birthright citizenship — has earned the ire of many Hispanics, who are expected to be a critical voting bloc in 2016.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/27/u...d-by-donald-trump-shows-it-in-broadcasts.html
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yes, that's going to leave a hell of a mark. and they think the people are back in love love love with them after two HISTORIC Midterm ass kicking elections on top of the people voting OUT THEIR PARTY of control of Congress under a DEMCORAT President.
it's a la la liberal land they reside in. I guess it's easier. I hope to have another historic election where the people KICK out that nasty progressive/dem party from our lives in 2016
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And we are still waiting for that evidence of illegals voting. When you assholes gonna share that with us?Let's correct that. The ILLEGAL vote went out the window. Now f we could get Voter ID so we know when those illegals are voting...we would take care of that.
"....you assholes...." you said?..**** you, asshole..read it and weep.
Many states issue drivers licenses to illegals and the "Motor Voter" law accepts drivers licenses as "valid" voter registration. Illegals vote..believe that.
Testimony of
Dan Stein
President
Federation for American Immigration Reform
Presented to the
HOUSE COMMITTEE ON ADMINISTRATION
Thursday, June 22, 2006
This testimony concerns the issue of non-citizen voting in U.S. elections
and identification requirements.
Mr. Chairman, Madam Ranking Minority Member and members of the Committee, I am Dan Stein, President of the Federation for American Immigration Reform. FAIR is a national, non-profit public interest organization representing more than 200,000 members and activists working to end illegal immigration, to restore moderate legal immigration and to reform our immigration laws to bring them into accord with the national interest. Thank you for the opportunity to present the views of the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) on the growing threat that our nation's voting laws are becoming compromised by illegal alien registration and voting.
There is widespread awareness that illegal immigration is a massive and growing problem in the United States. Estimates of the illegal population vary between 11 and 20 million. FAIR believes there are likely between 11 to 13 million illegal residents, but the number could certainly be higher. In addition to the illegal aliens already in the country, the Census Bureau estimates that the illegal alien population is growing by a minimum of 500,000 per year.
Combining the number of legal and illegal aliens, there are at least 26 million non-U.S. citizens in the United States at any given time. The bulk of them are legal and illegal residents (22 million), and about 1.6 million are tourists or temporary visitors from Canada or Mexico. Many of the remaining 2.4 million visitors, such as students and temporary workers, are on long-term visas.
As we all know, there is a great demand in our society by anyone of working age to have a driver's license. States have established a wide spectrum of laws governing the issuance of those licenses. While some require and verify evidence that an applicant is either a U.S. citizen or a foreigner in the country legally, other states deliberately or inadvertently create loopholes that allow illegal aliens to gain access to a license or identity card. Seven states allow registrants to use an individual taxpayer identification number (ITIN) in lieu of a Social Security number (SSN) when they register. The ITIN is available to noncitizens, including illegal aliens for purposes of tax withholding. Another 11 states have provisions that allow illegal aliens to obtain driver's licenses, such as neglecting to verify the authenticity of the SSN.
With the passage of the National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (NVRA) ? known as the Motor-Voter law ? the process of registering to vote became nearly automatic for anyone applying for a state driver's license. Under this law, the information supplied by the applicant for a license doubles as information for voter registration unless the applicant indicates that he/she does not want to be registered to vote. With driver's licenses made available by several states to aliens (both legal and illegal), it seems likely that voter rolls now contain large numbers of non-citizens ? enough in close elections to change the outcome if those aliens illegally vote.
Two other offshoots from the 1993 NVRA compound the potential for non-citizen voting to corrupt the election process. Absentee voting has become ubiquitous, so there is no opportunity for the elections officials to challenge the voter in person as a possible illegal voter or to monitor the voting to assure that the voter is voting independently. And, those who would challenge the eligibility of voters are constrained by protections against intimidation of voters.
In 1996, Congress enacted the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act, making it a federal crime for non-citizens to vote in any federal election (or state election, unless authorized by state law). As a penalty, ineligible non-citizens who knowingly vote may be deported. Additionally, a non-citizen who falsely claims to be a United States citizen is in violation of this law.
Despite these penalties, there are numerous documented reports of non-citizens voting. Mr. Chairman, let me discuss some of the evidence of electoral fraud.
1996 Election - California
One of the most extensively documented cases of illegal voting was in California in 1996. Loretta Sanchez, a Democrat, defeated Republican incumbent Robert Dornan by 984 votes. Dornan called for an investigation of alleged illegal voting by noncitizens. According to Congressional Quarterly, a Washington, DC newspaper that focuses on developments in Congress, "Task force Chairman [U.S. Representative] Vernon J. Ehlers, R-Mich., said investigators had found concrete evidence of 748 illegal votes by noncitizens, not enough to throw Sanchez's victory into doubt."
2000 Election - Florida
In the 2000 election, there were 11 states carried by President Bush that had small enough winning vote margins that voting by noncitizens could have tipped the results to Vice President Gore. Those states were Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Missouri, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia. A switch of three votes in the Electoral College from Bush to Gore would have reversed the outcome of that election, so the voting of enough noncitizens to reverse the outcome in any one of those 11 states would have reversed the final outcome.
In Florida, with more than 1.5 million noncitizens of voting age, only 540 of them would have had to vote (or 540 more ineligible voters than may actually have voted) for Gore to reverse the Presidential winner. In fact, election observers reported that a "sizable number" of votes may have been cast by ineligible felons, illegal immigrants, and non-citizens.
2004 Election - Wisconsin
More recently, FAIR obtained evidence of efforts by an ethnic advocacy group to get non-citizens to register to vote. FAIR enlisted the aid of two immigration reform activists who posed as illegal aliens attempting to register to vote. They were able to register in two Wisconsin counties, with the assistance of an organization known as Voces de la Frontera, in spite of the fact that the two individuals presented themselves as noncitizens. The Wisconsin case involved the registration of non-citizens residing legally in the U.S., but it might just as easily have involved illegal residents.
2004 Investigation - New York
Two years ago, DMV officials in New York, a state that supposedly does not permit illegal aliens to obtain driver's licenses, found that when they retroactively checked the Social Security Numbers provided by driver's license applicants, approximately 300,000 applications that had false or repeat numbers. This investigation did not study how many of these persons who were presumably in large measure illegal aliens fraudulently obtaining the state license also obtained at the same time registration as a voter. It seems reasonable to assume, however, that there may have been many thousands of such cases. And, while state officials began an effort to rescind the driver's licenses, there was no similar effort to eliminate any of the possible voter registrants from the voter rolls.
2005 Investigation - Utah
In Utah, Legislative Auditor General John Schaff said in a February 8, 2005 report to the President of the Utah Senate that more than 58,000 illegal immigrants had Utah drivers' licenses, nearly 400 of them used their license to register to vote in Utah, and a sampling of that group revealed at least 14 actually voted in an election. The state authorities had verified with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security that only 5 of those with suspicious registration to vote were naturalized U.S. citizens.
Other Indications of Illegal Voter Registration
Hawaiian Election officials found 543 Oahu residents who were not U.S. citizens had registered to vote. The officials speculated a number of factors may have resulted in the voter irregularities, including language barriers and the ease of voter registration.
Instances are periodically reported of the discovery of illegal voting by aliens by immigration authorities during investigation of applicants for U.S. citizenship. Even though illegal voting could have made the alien ineligible for U.S. citizenship, the disqualification has been consistently waived. Therefore, the penalty in the law against illegal voting could be likened to a paper tiger. Reports periodically surface about persons who are called for jury duty on the basis of voter registration rolls declining to serve on the basis that they are non-citizens. In one prominent case earlier this year a person who did in fact serve on a jury later notified the judge that she was not a U.S. citizen.
There is reason to believe that some illegal aliens applying for driver's licenses deliberately, rather than accidentally, seek voter registration. This is due to the fact that the employer sanctions law adopted in 1986 to deter employment of illegal aliens allows a voter registration card to be used as one of the documents that establishes the employee's identity. That document, plus a Social Security card, is all that is necessary to establish work eligibility. Thus, the fact that some non-citizens register to vote is not necessarily a harmless misunderstanding of the rules, as immigrants' rights groups contend.
The only control against noncitizens registering to vote is a required statement in the application form that the registrant is a U.S. citizen. With more than 20 million foreign-born residents who are not U.S. citizens in the country, including an estimated 11 to 13 million illegal residents, the potential for non-citizens voting is enormous given the ease of registration and lack of screening at the time of voting. That fact, combined with the razor-thin election margins of recent years suggests that there is the very real possibility that non-citizens have affected the outcomes of elections.
If the United States wants to prevent fraudulent voting, procedures must be adopted to verify the eligibility of individuals when they register, and then to verify the identity of voters when they vote. There must also be a heightened dedication to prosecute those who fraudulently register and vote. If there is no real penalty for illegal voting, it is unreasonable to expect that an 'honor system' to keep ineligible persons from voting will be effective. It is worth noting, that with the passage of Proposition 200, Arizona is was the first state to implement such measures. Approximately 32 other states are considering similar legislation.
Conclusion
The potential for illegal immigration has grown at a rapid pace as the number of non-citizen residents - both legal and illegal - has soared and registration to vote is done without verification of U.S. citizenship. The recent wave of demonstrations around the country by aliens demanding amnesty has forcefully brought the magnitude of the problem home to the American public.
The American public is also increasingly aware of the issue of voter fraud. Recent comments by California Congressional candidate Francine Busby that "you don't need papers to vote" along with the sharp criticism leveled at her in response are further indicators that the problem has a real impact. It is entirely fitting that we take time now to examine our nation's election laws and debate what reforms are necessary to secure the integrity of the franchise.
Protecting our election process against fraud is vital to assuring the American public that their interest in our democratic form of government is protected. It undermines the principle of the rule of law to allow the opportunity to vote on people who are not legally entitled to have it. The size of the illegal alien population has become so large and the impediments to illegal voting are so few that this issue should no longer be ignored by this nation's policymakers
http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?pa...
Driver's Licenses for illegals cannot be used for 'federal purposes' ie voting as indicated on the card .
10 States (and DC) That Allow Driver's Licenses for People in the Country Illegally
(as of Apr. 2, 2014)
Immigrants in the country illegally cannot produce the necessary documents (like a social security card) to obtain a driver’s license under state laws. Beginning in 1993 with Washington state, 10 states and DC have changed their laws to allow immigrants in the country illegally to obtain driver's licenses. Those states hope to encourage unlicensed drivers to pass the driver's license test and obtain car insurance.
Some city governments, including San Francisco, CA, New Haven, CT, and Asbury Park, NJ, issue photo identification cards to residents who are in the country illegally. These ID cards cannot be used as driver's licenses.
Sample Nevada driver's authorization card for immigrants in the country illegally. The card is distinguished from driver's licenses for legal residents by the words "Not Valid for Identification" above the blue bar.
1. California Date Effective:
Jan. 1, 2015
Bill: AB 60 (244.8)
Law: Chapter 524, Statutes of 2013 Date Signed: Oct. 3, 2013 (or earlier if DMV is ready)
Law Description:
The law requires the DMV to issue a California driver's license to anyone who can satisfactorily establish California residency. If the driver cannot show proof of legal residency (with a social security number, for example), the license will have a "recognizable feature" to distinguish the license from those issued to legal residents. The law makes it illegal to discriminate against anyone who holds a driver's license with that mark. The license may not be used for identification purposes.
2. Colorado Date Effective:
Aug. 1, 2014
Bill: SB 13-251 (93.7 KB)
Law: Session Law 42-2-104 Date Signed: June 5, 2013
Law Description:
The law provides driver's licenses to people who filed Colorado state income taxes in the previous year and can show proof of current state residence, or who have an Individual Taxpayer ID and proof of 24 months of state residency, with a passport, consular ID, or military ID. The license will state "Not valid for federal identification, voting, or public benefits purposes."
3. Connecticut Date Effective:
Jan. 1, 2015
Bill: HB 6495 (224.6)
Law: Public Act 13-89 Date Signed: June 6, 2013
Law Description:
The law allows an individual who cannot provide a social security number or other proof of lawful presence to obtain a driver's license if he/she presents proof of identity and Connecticut residency, and signs an affidavit stating he/she will file an application to legalize his/her immigration status or will file an application as soon as he/she is eligible. The law excludes convicted felons. The license cannot be used for proof of identity or voting and is valid for three to six years.
4. District of Columbia Date Effective:
May 1, 2014
Bill: B20-275 (67.9 KB)
Law: Driver's Safety Amendment Act of 2013 Date Signed: Nov. 18, 2013
Law Description:
The law allows for the issuance of licenses that are valid for eight years to people who can prove DC residency for more than six months, do not have a social security number, and can provide proof of identity, date of birth, and residency. The card will be marked "Not valid for official federal purposes." The licenses may not be used "to consider an individual's citizenship or immigration status, or as a basis for a criminal investigation, arrest, or detention."
5. Illinois Date Effective:
Nov. 28,
2013
Bill: SB 0957 (34.2 KB)
Law: Public Act 097-1157 Date Signed: Jan. 27, 2013
Law Description:
The law provides driver's licenses to people who are ineligible for social security numbers, have resided in Illinois for over one year, and are unable to present documentation of a legal presence in the country. The applicant needs to provide a valid passport or consular identification. The license will be valid for three years, cannot be used as proof of identity, and will be marked as a temporary visitor's driver's license in capital letters.
6. Maryland Date Effective:
Jan. 1, 2014
Bill: SB 715 (132.4 KB)
Law: Maryland Highway Safety Act of 2013 Date Signed: May 2, 2013
Law Description:
The law allows people without social security numbers to obtain a driver's license if they have filed a Maryland tax return or were claimed as a dependent of someone who filed a Maryland tax return for the past two years. The driver's license must have a design or color to distinguish it from other driver's licenses and identification cards, may not be used for federal identification purposes, and may not be used to purchase a firearm.
7. Nevada Date Effective:
Jan. 1,
2014
Bill: SB 303 (181.4 KB)
Law: Chapter 282 Date Signed: May 31, 2013
Law Description:
The law stipulates that the Director of the Department of Motor Vehicles may not release information regarding the legal status of any person applying for a driver's license. The license will be valid for one year and available to people who can prove identity, age, and residence in Nevada. The license card will have minimal distinguishing marks and cannot be used to determine eligibility for other benefits.
8. New Mexico Date Effective:
2003
Bill: HB 173 (13 KB)
Law: 1978, Chapter 35, Section 231 Date Signed: Mar. 18, 2003
Law Description:
The law allows for an applicant to provide an individual tax identification number or other document designated by the department instead of a social security number "regardless of immigration status."
9. Utah Date Effective:
Mar. 8, 2005
Bill: SB 227 (39.2 KB)
Law: Title 53 Chapter 3 Section 207 Date Signed: Mar. 8, 2005
Law Description:
The law allows the DMV to issue a "driving privilege" card to people in the country illegally who can prove Utah residency. The card is distinguished from a regular driver's license by format, color, or other visual means and is clearly marked with "FOR DRIVING PRIVILEGES ONLY--NOT VALID FOR IDENTIFICATION." The card may not be used for government identification and is valid for one year.
10. Vermont Date Effective:
Jan. 1, 2014
Bill: S 38 (20.9 KB)
Law: Sec. 1. 23 V.S.A. § 603 Date Signed: June 5, 2013
Law Description:
The law allows residents of Vermont in the country illegally to obtain an "operator's privilege card" if they provide proof of name; date; and place of birth via a valid foreign passport, a valid consular identification document, or a certified birth, marriage, adoption, or divorce certificate; and proof of Vermont residency. The card will be marked "privilege card" and cannot be used for federal identification and will expire on midnight the night before the applicant's second birthday after issuance.
11. Washington Date Effective:
July 25, 1993
Bill: HB 1444 (8.29 KB)
Law: Chapter 452, Laws of 1993 Date Signed: May 17, 1993
Law Description:
The law allows driver's licenses to be issued without a social security number if the applicant can provide proof of Washington residency via a home utility bill, a college or university document, a Selective Service card, a car title, bank-issued documents, individual tax identification number, Washington school transcripts or other school documents, DSHS benefits eligibility documents, or a recent Washington marriage certificate or child's birth certificate, as long as the document shows the applicant's name and current Washington residence. Other documents may be considered.
10 States (and DC) That Allow Driver's Licenses for People in the Country Illegally - Illegal Immigration Solutions - ProCon.org
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Look at her post. That's a talented young lady who knows what she is talking about. And so many crumpled singles prove it.
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Motor Voter Law - Discover the Networks
www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=808
Congress enacted the National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (also known by the ... the “Motor Voter Act”) to make it “easier for all Americans to register to vote and ... This greatly increases the potential for, and the incidence of, election fraud.
www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=808
Congress enacted the National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (also known by the ... the “Motor Voter Act”) to make it “easier for all Americans to register to vote and ... This greatly increases the potential for, and the incidence of, election fraud.
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If they are born here, they are citizens. HOW will Trump get the 14th amendment changed. That is another thing he hasn't answered.
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If the licenses are indicating that they are not to be used for ID/federal purposes, then it's the job of election officials at polling places to check for that.
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these bleeding heart liberals would sell us out in heartbeat so they can pretend to be the most caring and wonderful people of all mankind on this earth. they won't take a hard stand on anything. we are being INVADED now. and the Democrat party and Obama is all for PUTTING illegal immigrants ahead of YOU the legal citizens in this country. they are SELLING us out right in front or OUR eyes.
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The math says otherwise.
Illegals make up less than 4% of the population and only half of those are Hispanic and at least half of them are male so less than 1% might be contributing to the demographic shift.
In the meantime the Hispanic population is at 17% (as of 2013) so there are 8 times as many legal Hispanic women contributing to the demographic shift.
You are focusing on the wrong area if you are melting down about the demographic shift. You can't stop it happening so the smart thing to do is to adapt your policies to appeal to the changing demographics so that you can still be a relevant political party.
Your choice.
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That would be for the SCOTUS to decide, not Trump. HE cannot 'interpret' it himself. And the case would need to be brought forth & ALLOWED to be argued. Trump has no power to have that done.
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Too bad you don't get to define his job description. As a journalist he can decide what kind he wants to be and if his employer likes what he does then sobeit.
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Ironic!
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