Don t Let Anybody Tell You That Businesses Create Jobs

[Iceweasel]

Politically driven? You mean because conservatives decide that they think it is a democratic idea and therefore they are going to be against it even if they are some of the ones that are getting paid the low wages?

And your idea is right along the thinking of Republican/conservatives. Let's take the money from other workers and give it to the ones getting paid low, because we mustn't upset the rich by suggesting that they could pay their employees a bit more.

It's politically driven because it singles out one company. Many libs own businesses too, why do they get a pass? The government pays government employees, they can control the wages and have the means to give to others. They can't control CEO salaries so my idea is more workable. Conservatives are all about results, you know.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Honestly........people who have some experience sometimes make statements that we should hear.

I know that this guy is a pariah. He's accomplished great things and hasn't become delusional about how that happened.

Nick Hanauer Beware fellow plutocrats the pitchforks are coming Talk Video TED.com

The question about who creates jobs ( it isn't Steve Jobs ) and why raising the minimum wage is a good thing ( leads to a group of citizens kicking ass ) are discussed in the above link.

I posted it in a thread two months ago. A month ago.....and today. Not much response. I ******* wonder why.

It is a bit long....but not boring in any way. Give it a listen. Find out why a person can love entrepreneurship AND social responsibility at the same time. Why we must.

 

[Derideo_Te]

That you resorted to vulgarities is a tacit admission that you cannot prove your BS allegation.

That your head is obviously in its' usual resting place, you aren't worth the time.

Ironic!

 

[Derideo_Te]

And what if their weren't a walmart? What then?

Probably end up with lots of Mom & Pop stores again that were destroyed when Walmart used it's scorched earth pricing policies to wipe them out. And yes, those Mom & Pop stores will probably employ just as many people.

 

[Iceweasel]

Wrong. Clearly you don't know how it works.

Clearly you don't. If owners don't approve of the salary, it isn't happening. Who would own a business they have no control over?[/QUOTE]
Stock holders would.[/QUOTE]Duh, those are owners.[/QUOTE]
What part of stock holders don't set the salary of executives is confusing you?[/QUOTE]You are very confusing. The board of directors votes on CEO salaries, CEOs don't set their own, I don't know where you got that. The shareholders vote on the board so they will have their say in the end. The bottom line is if they are making money they are going with the status quo.

 

[Iceweasel]

That you resorted to vulgarities is a tacit admission that you cannot prove your BS allegation.

That your head is obviously in its' usual resting place, you aren't worth the time.

Ironic!

Truth!

 

[Iceweasel]

And what if their weren't a walmart? What then?

Probably end up with lots of Mom & Pop stores again that were destroyed when Walmart used it's scorched earth pricing policies to wipe them out. And yes, those Mom & Pop stores will probably employ just as many people.

Wrong. Bzzzzzzt. Error. No sale!

If Wally World goes under, someone similar will replace them. Mom and pop need to diversify and specialize, those days are gone when they can compete with big box stores.

 

[Derideo_Te]

national defense is the number one priority of the government

Where does it say that defense is the #1 priority in the Constitution?

It says to "provide for the common defense" in the Constitution and I personally assigned the priority number one. Without defending the Republic from enemies, both foreign and domestic, there would be no need for the rest of the Constitution since the Republic would no longer exist.

Name all of the "enemies, both foreign and domestic" that are a current existential threat to the nation and while you are at it list the damage they could inflict and which agencies are tasked with preventing that damage.

You go first.

You made the BS allegation so the onus is on you to provide this list of imaginary existential threats to this nation.

 

[Mertex]

$10 an hour is a reasonable goal if we have to have a Federal minimum wage. I think the states will do a better job setting the minimum wage than the Feds can. Do you really think there is anyone in New York City that works for the minimum wage?

As long as companies are allowed to pay less than what a person can get from "welfare" we are going to continue to see more people on welfare. And who can blame them? If you can get $15 an hour from welfare as opposed to $7.25 by working your ass off, which one would you choose? And, don't lie.

On Labor Day 2013 Welfare Pays More Than Minimum-Wage Work In 35 States - Forbes

So you think we should increase the minimum wage, make the USA even less competitive and ship even more jobs to China?

Yeah....because that is what I said, where? What makes you think that raising the minimum wage is going to make the USA less competitive? And, Bush was shipping jobs overseas when the wages were low.....so what's your point?

Good lord I give up.

I have given up on intelligent left wing life forms, they don't exist.

Unfortunately, you are on the ignorant side. Isn't your party the one that is anti-education....who strongly supports home-schooling? Because every stay-at-home mom knows algebra, calculus, chemistry and science and everything there is to know....and is able to pass it on to their kids....


The shift the author sees is in that the upper class is shifting away from the Republican party. “The upper class is becoming more educated, more secular, more based in urban America (particularly on the coasts). And the Republican party is becoming more religious, more based in small town America, and becoming less educated.” This argument seems supported by the evidence showing the average IQ of Republicans has decreased since a high point during Reagan’s administration.
Rich Liberals Vs Conservatives w Author David Callahan Marmalade

 

[Antares]

As long as companies are allowed to pay less than what a person can get from "welfare" we are going to continue to see more people on welfare. And who can blame them? If you can get $15 an hour from welfare as opposed to $7.25 by working your ass off, which one would you choose? And, don't lie.

On Labor Day 2013 Welfare Pays More Than Minimum-Wage Work In 35 States - Forbes

So you think we should increase the minimum wage, make the USA even less competitive and ship even more jobs to China?

Yeah....because that is what I said, where? What makes you think that raising the minimum wage is going to make the USA less competitive? And, Bush was shipping jobs overseas when the wages were low.....so what's your point?

Good lord I give up.

I have given up on intelligent left wing life forms, they don't exist.

Unfortunately, you are on the ignorant side. Isn't your party the one that is anti-education....who strongly supports home-schooling? Because every stay-at-home mom knows algebra, calculus, chemistry and science and everything there is to know....and is able to pass it on to their kids....


The shift the author sees is in that the upper class is shifting away from the Republican party. “The upper class is becoming more educated, more secular, more based in urban America (particularly on the coasts). And the Republican party is becoming more religious, more based in small town America, and becoming less educated.” This argument seems supported by the evidence showing the average IQ of Republicans has decreased since a high point during Reagan’s administration.
Rich Liberals Vs Conservatives w Author David Callahan Marmalade

How much more should they get?

It was/is a pretty simple question.

 

[TooTall]

national defense is the number one priority of the government

Where does it say that defense is the #1 priority in the Constitution?

It says to "provide for the common defense" in the Constitution and I personally assigned the priority number one. Without defending the Republic from enemies, both foreign and domestic, there would be no need for the rest of the Constitution since the Republic would no longer exist.

Name all of the "enemies, both foreign and domestic" that are a current existential threat to the nation and while you are at it list the damage they could inflict and which agencies are tasked with preventing that damage.

You go first.

You made the BS allegation so the onus is on you to provide this list of imaginary existential threats to this nation.

There aren't any. Everybody on the planet loves America and Obama.

 

[Iceweasel]

Unfortunately, you are on the ignorant side. Isn't your party the one that is anti-education....who strongly supports home-schooling? Because every stay-at-home mom knows algebra, calculus, chemistry and science and everything there is to know....and is able to pass it on to their kids....


The shift the author sees is in that the upper class is shifting away from the Republican party. “The upper class is becoming more educated, more secular, more based in urban America (particularly on the coasts). And the Republican party is becoming more religious, more based in small town America, and becoming less educated.” This argument seems supported by the evidence showing the average IQ of Republicans has decreased since a high point during Reagan’s administration.
Rich Liberals Vs Conservatives w Author David Callahan Marmalade

Home schooling here is done in co-operation with the state and county. They are building a big ass school in town just for it. The kids must pass academic standards. I hope that doesn't piss you off too much.

As far as the political bigot author goes, I don't measure intellect by the amount of decisions you have others do for you. Conservatives are much more self determined types and have a different way of looking at life. Did he publish any peer reviewed support for his thesis or is the smear good enough for you?

 

[RKMBrown]

You are very confusing. The board of directors votes on CEO salaries, CEOs don't set their own, I don't know where you got that. The shareholders vote on the board so they will have their say in the end. The bottom line is if they are making money they are going with the status quo.

Who do you think makes up a board of directors? Look up the term oligopoly. The CEOs are are on the boards... the CEOs decide to pay themselves commensurate with what everyone else is getting +some percentage. Then they give their buds raises and bonuses. The share holders have no say over the pay of the executives of a publicly held company... why? Because the government is sheltering the executives. I know these people, I've sat in the boards watching them do it. I've read the agreements it's a joke. Look it up.

 

[Judicial review]

Oh my, what taxes are you going to lower, on the lower income? You really don't understand how unhealthy it is to have all the money going to the top, do you?

The rich pay most of the taxes, the poor pay little to none. The money isn't going to get better for lower class folks until the economy improves. The government isn't Robin Hood and shouldn't be in the business of wealth redistribution.

Well, no, that's not true either. The poor pay plenty in State taxes.

More trickle down bullshit that NeoClowns have spewed for years. It doesn't work, and it never has worked. If the top 0.01 % have more money than half of the entire country, and it still hasn't trickled down....THAT MEANS IT'S NOT GOING TO TRICKLE DOWN!!!

Is it really that difficult to understand?

So you agree that the poor could be paying little to none in federal taxes, but are complaining about state tax? You must hate the liberal left wing Govs?

 

[Judicial review]

You are very confusing. The board of directors votes on CEO salaries, CEOs don't set their own, I don't know where you got that. The shareholders vote on the board so they will have their say in the end. The bottom line is if they are making money they are going with the status quo.

Who do you think makes up a board of directors? Look up the term oligopoly. The CEOs are are on the boards... the CEOs decide to pay themselves commensurate with what everyone else is getting +some percentage. Then they give their buds raises and bonuses. The share holders have no say over the pay of the executives of a publicly held company... why? Because the government is sheltering the executives. I know these people, I've sat in the boards watching them do it. I've read the agreements it's a joke. Look it up.

and there's nothing wrong with them doing this. They've earned their place at the top.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Where does it say that defense is the #1 priority in the Constitution?

It says to "provide for the common defense" in the Constitution and I personally assigned the priority number one. Without defending the Republic from enemies, both foreign and domestic, there would be no need for the rest of the Constitution since the Republic would no longer exist.

Name all of the "enemies, both foreign and domestic" that are a current existential threat to the nation and while you are at it list the damage they could inflict and which agencies are tasked with preventing that damage.

You go first.

You made the BS allegation so the onus is on you to provide this list of imaginary existential threats to this nation.

There aren't any. Everybody on the planet loves America and Obama.

So if there are no existential threats to America then why waste all those hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars on the military? Are you conservatives supposed to be against the government wasting taxpayer funds?

 

[Iceweasel]

Who do you think makes up a board of directors? Look up the term oligopoly. The CEOs are are on the boards... the CEOs decide to pay themselves comenserate wither that everyone else is getting +some percentage. Then they give their buds raises and bonuses. The share holders have no say over the pay of the executives of a publicly held company... why? Because the government is sheltering the executives. I know these people, I've sat in the boards watching them do it. I've read the agreements it's a joke. Look it up.

OK.

Executive Pay How Much Do Shareholders Really Care
How much do shareholders--or the public--really care about executive pay? A new proposal from the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission may be aimed at finding out.

The Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act of 2010, (“Dodd-Frank”) requires publicly traded companies to hold non-binding (advisory) “say-on-pay” proxy votes at least once every three years on executive compensation policies.

 

[Mertex]

Unfortunately, you are on the ignorant side. Isn't your party the one that is anti-education....who strongly supports home-schooling? Because every stay-at-home mom knows algebra, calculus, chemistry and science and everything there is to know....and is able to pass it on to their kids....


The shift the author sees is in that the upper class is shifting away from the Republican party. “The upper class is becoming more educated, more secular, more based in urban America (particularly on the coasts). And the Republican party is becoming more religious, more based in small town America, and becoming less educated.” This argument seems supported by the evidence showing the average IQ of Republicans has decreased since a high point during Reagan’s administration.
Rich Liberals Vs Conservatives w Author David Callahan Marmalade

Home schooling here is done in co-operation with the state and county. They are building a big ass school in town just for it. The kids must pass academic standards. I hope that doesn't piss you off too much.

So how is that considered home-schooling? Are the moms going to do the teaching? Are they going to live there? I think you don't know what home-schooling means.

As far as the political bigot author goes, I don't measure intellect by the amount of decisions you have others do for you. Conservatives are much more self determined types and have a different way of looking at life. Did he publish any peer reviewed support for his thesis or is the smear good enough for you?

There are other articles/stats that show the same thing he did, liberals are more educated.....Hope that doesn't piss you off too much.


The more education an individual has, the more likely they are to tend toward liberal values. Scientists, researchers, professors, teachers, artists, writers, in general the smartest and most educated people in the country are most often liberals. And this is why conservatives are so often at odds with school and university curricula. Truly understanding the history of America means recognizing that this country was founded on liberal ideas, and that each and every stitch of progress made since 1776 sprang from a liberal font. The more information and knowledge a person has, the more they realize that issues can rarely be distilled down to black and white, but require a more nuanced approach.
Compare and Contrast Liberals and Conservatives... a handy comparison chart

 

[Clementine]

Just unfrikken belevable how low these Democrat Politicians will slink

Sad part is that there are dependents (aka devoted Dem voters) who believe this shit because they don't work and somehow believe that those who have nice homes and cars actually take it from people or get it from government.

 

[RKMBrown]

Who do you think makes up a board of directors? Look up the term oligopoly. The CEOs are are on the boards... the CEOs decide to pay themselves comenserate wither that everyone else is getting +some percentage. Then they give their buds raises and bonuses. The share holders have no say over the pay of the executives of a publicly held company... why? Because the government is sheltering the executives. I know these people, I've sat in the boards watching them do it. I've read the agreements it's a joke. Look it up.

OK.

Executive Pay How Much Do Shareholders Really Care
How much do shareholders--or the public--really care about executive pay? A new proposal from the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission may be aimed at finding out.

The Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act of 2010, (“Dodd-Frank”) requires publicly traded companies to hold non-binding (advisory) “say-on-pay” proxy votes at least once every three years on executive compensation policies.

Ayup that's what I'm talking about. Note the "non-binding" part.