Don t Let Anybody Tell You That Businesses Create Jobs

[TooTall]

Well, no shit, Sherlock. However, if you had a coat store, and only 3 people in town could afford to buy a coat, you wouldn't stay in business very long. And you wouldn't take you tax cut money to hire people, only to have them stand around.

If you give those poor minimum wager earners a raise, they too can purchase a coat. Now you can go hire someone to help you sell coats.

A raise with what money from the tooth fairy?

If I'm such a shitty business owner, who can't afford to pay my help, then I would deserve to go out of business.

Walmart can and should pay their help better. Tax payers are now footing the bill, feeding their employees, since Walmart won't. This is why we need to raise the minimum wage, at least to $10 an hour.

$10 an hour is a reasonable goal if we have to have a Federal minimum wage. I think the states will do a better job setting the minimum wage than the Feds can. Do you really think there is anyone in New York City that works for the minimum wage?

As long as companies are allowed to pay less than what a person can get from "welfare" we are going to continue to see more people on welfare. And who can blame them? If you can get $15 an hour from welfare as opposed to $7.25 by working your ass off, which one would you choose? And, don't lie.

On Labor Day 2013 Welfare Pays More Than Minimum-Wage Work In 35 States - Forbes

Once companies are forced to pay more in wages they raise their prices. Those on welfare and the elderly on fixed incomes are the ones that will be hurt by that. Companies pay different wages depending on the prevailing wages in the area they serve. My question is if things are so bad at Walmart, why in the hell would anyone work there?

 

[BluesLegend]

Well, no shit, Sherlock. However, if you had a coat store, and only 3 people in town could afford to buy a coat, you wouldn't stay in business very long. And you wouldn't take you tax cut money to hire people, only to have them stand around.

If you give those poor minimum wager earners a raise, they too can purchase a coat. Now you can go hire someone to help you sell coats.

A raise with what money from the tooth fairy?

If I'm such a shitty business owner, who can't afford to pay my help, then I would deserve to go out of business.

Walmart can and should pay their help better. Tax payers are now footing the bill, feeding their employees, since Walmart won't. This is why we need to raise the minimum wage, at least to $10 an hour.

Ah so this is really just another liberal hate on corporations post. How about Dem's secure the borders so illegals stop driving wages down and taking jobs away from Americans sitting around on welfare?

Weird, what happened when Dubya/GOP had Gov't for 6 years?

Are you asking me if I approve of the corrupt GOP establishment RINO liberal collaborators? You realize I'm a conservative right.

 

[Mertex]

Well, no shit, Sherlock. However, if you had a coat store, and only 3 people in town could afford to buy a coat, you wouldn't stay in business very long. And you wouldn't take you tax cut money to hire people, only to have them stand around.

If you give those poor minimum wager earners a raise, they too can purchase a coat. Now you can go hire someone to help you sell coats.

A raise with what money from the tooth fairy?

If I'm such a shitty business owner, who can't afford to pay my help, then I would deserve to go out of business.

Walmart can and should pay their help better. Tax payers are now footing the bill, feeding their employees, since Walmart won't. This is why we need to raise the minimum wage, at least to $10 an hour.

$10 an hour is a reasonable goal if we have to have a Federal minimum wage. I think the states will do a better job setting the minimum wage than the Feds can. Do you really think there is anyone in New York City that works for the minimum wage?

As long as companies are allowed to pay less than what a person can get from "welfare" we are going to continue to see more people on welfare. And who can blame them? If you can get $15 an hour from welfare as opposed to $7.25 by working your ass off, which one would you choose? And, don't lie.

On Labor Day 2013 Welfare Pays More Than Minimum-Wage Work In 35 States - Forbes

Once companies are forced to pay more in wages they raise their prices. Those on welfare and the elderly on fixed incomes are the ones that will be hurt by that. Companies pay different wages depending on the prevailing wages in the area they serve. My question is if things are so bad at Walmart, why in the hell would anyone work there?

They won't have to raise their prices that much to make up for the raise in salaries. We're currently subsidizing Wal-Mart employees (with welfare).....why should tax payers be the ones footing the bill?

So how much would a higher minimum wage cost shoppers at Walmart?

About 46 cents per trip, reports Caroline Fairchild at The Huffington Post.

That figure is based on a 2011 study by CUNY's Stephanie Luce and University of California Berkeley's Ken Jacobs and Dave Graham-Squire.

"Even if Wal-Mart decided to pass 100 percent of the cost on to customers, store prices would still only increase by 1.1%," Fairchild writes.
What A Walmart Wage Hike Would Cost You - Business Insider


The main charge leveled against Wal-Mart is that its wages are too low, and critics have a point. Berkeley’s Labor Research Center has estimated that almost a million of Wal-Mart’s American workers earn less than $12 in hourly pay, with 300,000 averaging only $8.75. Surviving on such low incomes is difficult in America, and a few months ago a local store’s campaign to persuade Wal-Mart workers to donate food to other Wal-Mart workers became a national media scandal. Each year Wal-Mart’s struggling employees receive billions of dollars in government social welfare benefits, with the costs borne by the general taxpayer.
Raising The Minimum Wage Would Be Good For Wal-Mart And America - Forbes

 

[BluesLegend]

Well, no shit, Sherlock. However, if you had a coat store, and only 3 people in town could afford to buy a coat, you wouldn't stay in business very long. And you wouldn't take you tax cut money to hire people, only to have them stand around.

If you give those poor minimum wager earners a raise, they too can purchase a coat. Now you can go hire someone to help you sell coats.

A raise with what money from the tooth fairy?

If I'm such a shitty business owner, who can't afford to pay my help, then I would deserve to go out of business.

Walmart can and should pay their help better. Tax payers are now footing the bill, feeding their employees, since Walmart won't. This is why we need to raise the minimum wage, at least to $10 an hour.

$10 an hour is a reasonable goal if we have to have a Federal minimum wage. I think the states will do a better job setting the minimum wage than the Feds can. Do you really think there is anyone in New York City that works for the minimum wage?

As long as companies are allowed to pay less than what a person can get from "welfare" we are going to continue to see more people on welfare. And who can blame them? If you can get $15 an hour from welfare as opposed to $7.25 by working your ass off, which one would you choose? And, don't lie.

On Labor Day 2013 Welfare Pays More Than Minimum-Wage Work In 35 States - Forbes

So you think we should increase the minimum wage, make the USA even less competitive and ship even more jobs to China?

 

[Antares]

And what if their weren't a walmart? What then? What about all the jobs they could have supplied for, was it Washington, that they pay no less than they demanded? And they said, ok, we won't open there. The local council there caused those people to not get jobs. There was demand there, yet they knew they couldn't afford to start people, without skills at the demanded rate, and went somewhere else business friendly.

And once again, if walmart didn't hire them they might not have a job at all, with their minimal and sometimes no skills, and then we would be fully supporting them.

WALMART WILL ******* HIRE THEM IF THERE IS A DEMAND. Jeebus H Cripes, how many times does that need to be repeated?

So Washington doesn't rovide things the people want withgout a WallyWorld?


Walmart and the Walton family benefit from tax breaks and taxpayer subsidies estimated at more than $7.8 billion a year

The $7.8 billion includes an estimated $6.2 billion in public assistance for low-wage Walmart employees, including programs like food stamps, subsidized housing, and Medicaid
Walmart benefits from billions in government subsidies Study MSNBC

That's pure crap, of course. It assumes that if someone working for Walmart receives public assistance that Walmart is the beneficiary. That's pure Marxist propaganda. The person getting the check is the beneficiary. That's what the term "beneficiary" means.

Oh right IF Walmart had to pay a living wage, the welfare costs would decrease, but that's not a subsidy *shaking head*

How much is a "Living Wage"?

 

[The Rabbi]

And what if their weren't a walmart? What then? What about all the jobs they could have supplied for, was it Washington, that they pay no less than they demanded? And they said, ok, we won't open there. The local council there caused those people to not get jobs. There was demand there, yet they knew they couldn't afford to start people, without skills at the demanded rate, and went somewhere else business friendly.

WALMART WILL ******* HIRE THEM IF THERE IS A DEMAND. Jeebus H Cripes, how many times does that need to be repeated?

So Washington doesn't rovide things the people want withgout a WallyWorld?


Walmart and the Walton family benefit from tax breaks and taxpayer subsidies estimated at more than $7.8 billion a year

The $7.8 billion includes an estimated $6.2 billion in public assistance for low-wage Walmart employees, including programs like food stamps, subsidized housing, and Medicaid
Walmart benefits from billions in government subsidies Study MSNBC

That's pure crap, of course. It assumes that if someone working for Walmart receives public assistance that Walmart is the beneficiary. That's pure Marxist propaganda. The person getting the check is the beneficiary. That's what the term "beneficiary" means.

Oh right IF Walmart had to pay a living wage, the welfare costs would decrease, but that's not a subsidy *shaking head*

How much is a "Living Wage"?

Enough to guarantee Democrats get elected.

 

[Mertex]

Well, no shit, Sherlock. However, if you had a coat store, and only 3 people in town could afford to buy a coat, you wouldn't stay in business very long. And you wouldn't take you tax cut money to hire people, only to have them stand around.

If you give those poor minimum wager earners a raise, they too can purchase a coat. Now you can go hire someone to help you sell coats.

A raise with what money from the tooth fairy?

If I'm such a shitty business owner, who can't afford to pay my help, then I would deserve to go out of business.

Walmart can and should pay their help better. Tax payers are now footing the bill, feeding their employees, since Walmart won't. This is why we need to raise the minimum wage, at least to $10 an hour.

$10 an hour is a reasonable goal if we have to have a Federal minimum wage. I think the states will do a better job setting the minimum wage than the Feds can. Do you really think there is anyone in New York City that works for the minimum wage?

As long as companies are allowed to pay less than what a person can get from "welfare" we are going to continue to see more people on welfare. And who can blame them? If you can get $15 an hour from welfare as opposed to $7.25 by working your ass off, which one would you choose? And, don't lie.

On Labor Day 2013 Welfare Pays More Than Minimum-Wage Work In 35 States - Forbes

So you think we should increase the minimum wage, make the USA even less competitive and ship even more jobs to China?

Yeah....because that is what I said, where? What makes you think that raising the minimum wage is going to make the USA less competitive? And, Bush was shipping jobs overseas when the wages were low.....so what's your point?

 

[BluesLegend]

A raise with what money from the tooth fairy?

If I'm such a shitty business owner, who can't afford to pay my help, then I would deserve to go out of business.

Walmart can and should pay their help better. Tax payers are now footing the bill, feeding their employees, since Walmart won't. This is why we need to raise the minimum wage, at least to $10 an hour.

$10 an hour is a reasonable goal if we have to have a Federal minimum wage. I think the states will do a better job setting the minimum wage than the Feds can. Do you really think there is anyone in New York City that works for the minimum wage?

As long as companies are allowed to pay less than what a person can get from "welfare" we are going to continue to see more people on welfare. And who can blame them? If you can get $15 an hour from welfare as opposed to $7.25 by working your ass off, which one would you choose? And, don't lie.

On Labor Day 2013 Welfare Pays More Than Minimum-Wage Work In 35 States - Forbes

So you think we should increase the minimum wage, make the USA even less competitive and ship even more jobs to China?

Yeah....because that is what I said, where? What makes you think that raising the minimum wage is going to make the USA less competitive? And, Bush was shipping jobs overseas when the wages were low.....so what's your point?

Good lord I give up.

 

[Zander]

if you hate Walmart - don't shop there.

 

[Antares]

If I'm such a shitty business owner, who can't afford to pay my help, then I would deserve to go out of business.

Walmart can and should pay their help better. Tax payers are now footing the bill, feeding their employees, since Walmart won't. This is why we need to raise the minimum wage, at least to $10 an hour.

$10 an hour is a reasonable goal if we have to have a Federal minimum wage. I think the states will do a better job setting the minimum wage than the Feds can. Do you really think there is anyone in New York City that works for the minimum wage?

As long as companies are allowed to pay less than what a person can get from "welfare" we are going to continue to see more people on welfare. And who can blame them? If you can get $15 an hour from welfare as opposed to $7.25 by working your ass off, which one would you choose? And, don't lie.

On Labor Day 2013 Welfare Pays More Than Minimum-Wage Work In 35 States - Forbes

So you think we should increase the minimum wage, make the USA even less competitive and ship even more jobs to China?

Yeah....because that is what I said, where? What makes you think that raising the minimum wage is going to make the USA less competitive? And, Bush was shipping jobs overseas when the wages were low.....so what's your point?

Good lord I give up.

I have given up on intelligent left wing life forms, they don't exist.

 

[The Rabbi]

If I'm such a shitty business owner, who can't afford to pay my help, then I would deserve to go out of business.

Walmart can and should pay their help better. Tax payers are now footing the bill, feeding their employees, since Walmart won't. This is why we need to raise the minimum wage, at least to $10 an hour.

$10 an hour is a reasonable goal if we have to have a Federal minimum wage. I think the states will do a better job setting the minimum wage than the Feds can. Do you really think there is anyone in New York City that works for the minimum wage?

As long as companies are allowed to pay less than what a person can get from "welfare" we are going to continue to see more people on welfare. And who can blame them? If you can get $15 an hour from welfare as opposed to $7.25 by working your ass off, which one would you choose? And, don't lie.

On Labor Day 2013 Welfare Pays More Than Minimum-Wage Work In 35 States - Forbes

So you think we should increase the minimum wage, make the USA even less competitive and ship even more jobs to China?

Yeah....because that is what I said, where? What makes you think that raising the minimum wage is going to make the USA less competitive? And, Bush was shipping jobs overseas when the wages were low.....so what's your point?

Good lord I give up.

No wonder. How do you argue with people who think the gov't can effectively set prices? Or that presidents ship jobs overseas? They are the simplest of the simpletons.

 

[Iceweasel]

The link gives you an article that lists the states. Move to one of those states, then apply. Good luck.

Well, it's even better than that.

"Tanner and Hughes award the national welfare championship to Hawaii, which offers $60,590 in annual welfare benefits, once you account for the fact that welfare benefits are tax-free to the recipient, compared to work-related wages. That’s the equivalent of $29.13 an hour. Rounding out the top five were D.C. ($50,820 per year and $24.43 an hour), Massachusetts ($50,540 and $24.30), Connecticut ($44,370 and $21.33), and New York ($43,700 and $21.01)."

Plus, I hear Hawaii has some nice weather and beaches.

 

[Iceweasel]

Wrong. Clearly you don't know how it works.

Clearly you don't. If owners don't approve of the salary, it isn't happening. Who would own a business they have no control over?

Stock holders would.

Duh, those are owners.

 

[Iceweasel]

The main charge leveled against Wal-Mart is that its wages are too low, and critics have a point. Berkeley’s Labor Research Center has estimated that almost a million of Wal-Mart’s American workers earn less than $12 in hourly pay, with 300,000 averaging only $8.75. Surviving on such low incomes is difficult in America, and a few months ago a local store’s campaign to persuade Wal-Mart workers to donate food to other Wal-Mart workers became a national media scandal. Each year Wal-Mart’s struggling employees receive billions of dollars in government social welfare benefits, with the costs borne by the general taxpayer.
Raising The Minimum Wage Would Be Good For Wal-Mart And America - Forbes

WalMart employees aren't the only ones making those wages though, so it's purely politically driven. I have an idea. What's the salary of the average government employee? It's pretty good last I heard, plus bennies. Let's reduce their windfall and give some of it to WalMart employees. Then they can get off subsidies. Fair enough?

 

[Mertex]

If I'm such a shitty business owner, who can't afford to pay my help, then I would deserve to go out of business.

Walmart can and should pay their help better. Tax payers are now footing the bill, feeding their employees, since Walmart won't. This is why we need to raise the minimum wage, at least to $10 an hour.

$10 an hour is a reasonable goal if we have to have a Federal minimum wage. I think the states will do a better job setting the minimum wage than the Feds can. Do you really think there is anyone in New York City that works for the minimum wage?

As long as companies are allowed to pay less than what a person can get from "welfare" we are going to continue to see more people on welfare. And who can blame them? If you can get $15 an hour from welfare as opposed to $7.25 by working your ass off, which one would you choose? And, don't lie.

On Labor Day 2013 Welfare Pays More Than Minimum-Wage Work In 35 States - Forbes

So you think we should increase the minimum wage, make the USA even less competitive and ship even more jobs to China?

Yeah....because that is what I said, where? What makes you think that raising the minimum wage is going to make the USA less competitive? And, Bush was shipping jobs overseas when the wages were low.....so what's your point?

Good lord I give up.

Well, you might as well, since you don't seem to be able to back up your comments.

 

[Iceweasel]

Yeah....because that is what I said, where? What makes you think that raising the minimum wage is going to make the USA less competitive? And, Bush was shipping jobs overseas when the wages were low.....so what's your point?

Higher overhead=more incentive to move. What business did Bush own?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The link gives you an article that lists the states. Move to one of those states, then apply. Good luck.

Well, it's even better than that.

"Tanner and Hughes award the national welfare championship to Hawaii, which offers $60,590 in annual welfare benefits, once you account for the fact that welfare benefits are tax-free to the recipient, compared to work-related wages. That’s the equivalent of $29.13 an hour. Rounding out the top five were D.C. ($50,820 per year and $24.43 an hour), Massachusetts ($50,540 and $24.30), Connecticut ($44,370 and $21.33), and New York ($43,700 and $21.01)."

Plus, I hear Hawaii has some nice weather and beaches.

Cost of living

 

[Mertex]

The main charge leveled against Wal-Mart is that its wages are too low, and critics have a point. Berkeley’s Labor Research Center has estimated that almost a million of Wal-Mart’s American workers earn less than $12 in hourly pay, with 300,000 averaging only $8.75. Surviving on such low incomes is difficult in America, and a few months ago a local store’s campaign to persuade Wal-Mart workers to donate food to other Wal-Mart workers became a national media scandal. Each year Wal-Mart’s struggling employees receive billions of dollars in government social welfare benefits, with the costs borne by the general taxpayer.
Raising The Minimum Wage Would Be Good For Wal-Mart And America - Forbes

WalMart employees aren't the only ones making those wages though, so it's purely politically driven. I have an idea. What's the salary of the average government employee? It's pretty good last I heard, plus bennies. Let's reduce their windfall and give some of it to WalMart employees. Then they can get off subsidies. Fair enough?

Politically driven? You mean because conservatives decide that they think it is a democratic idea and therefore they are going to be against it even if they are some of the ones that are getting paid the low wages?

And your idea is right along the thinking of Republican/conservatives. Let's take the money from other workers and give it to the ones getting paid low, because we mustn't upset the rich by suggesting that they could pay their employees a bit more.

 

[RKMBrown]

Wrong. Clearly you don't know how it works.

Clearly you don't. If owners don't approve of the salary, it isn't happening. Who would own a business they have no control over?

Stock holders would.

Duh, those are owners.

What part of stock holders don't set the salary of executives is confusing you?

 

[Antares]

The main charge leveled against Wal-Mart is that its wages are too low, and critics have a point. Berkeley’s Labor Research Center has estimated that almost a million of Wal-Mart’s American workers earn less than $12 in hourly pay, with 300,000 averaging only $8.75. Surviving on such low incomes is difficult in America, and a few months ago a local store’s campaign to persuade Wal-Mart workers to donate food to other Wal-Mart workers became a national media scandal. Each year Wal-Mart’s struggling employees receive billions of dollars in government social welfare benefits, with the costs borne by the general taxpayer.
Raising The Minimum Wage Would Be Good For Wal-Mart And America - Forbes

WalMart employees aren't the only ones making those wages though, so it's purely politically driven. I have an idea. What's the salary of the average government employee? It's pretty good last I heard, plus bennies. Let's reduce their windfall and give some of it to WalMart employees. Then they can get off subsidies. Fair enough?

Politically driven? You mean because conservatives decide that they think it is a democratic idea and therefore they are going to be against it even if they are some of the ones that are getting paid the low wages?

And your idea is right along the thinking of Republican/conservatives. Let's take the money from other workers and give it to the ones getting paid low, because we mustn't upset the rich by suggesting that they could pay their employees a bit more.

How much more?