Don t Let Anybody Tell You That Businesses Create Jobs

Yes, I'm aware that "some" companies have a say on pay. However, that is not true for all public-ally traded companies. IMO there should be a rule forcing it. This given that the bulk of fortune 500 companies have formed said oligopoly on executive pay, to skim the profits of our 401k investments.
It isn't skimming if your 401 is going up.
Yes it is. If they use an oligopoly to give themselves MASSIVE pay... at the expense of the consumer and investors... our government is supposed to be breaking up said monopolies. You can't have a free market if you allow a monopoly to control that market.

The concept "oligopoly" is a liberal myth. All it means is that some businesses have a bigger market share than others . In other words, it means capitalism functioning exactly as it should, but the commie professors wants to make it sound sinister.

Yes, Standard oil worked well *shaking head*

By 1890, Standard Oil controlled 88 percent of the refined oil flows in the United States

Standard Oil - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


In 1871, Rockefeller helped form a secret alliance of railroads and refiners. They planned to control freight rates and oil prices by cooperating with one another. The deal collapsed when the railroads backed out. But before this happened, Rockefeller used the threat of this deal to intimidate more than 20 Cleveland refiners to sell out to Standard Oil at bargain prices. When the so-called "Cleveland Massacre" ended in March 1872, Standard controlled 25 percent of the U.S. oil industry.



BRIA 16 2 b Rockefeller and the Standard Oil Monopoly - Constitutional Rights Foundation
 
Reagan may have been 30 years ago, but his tax rates and policies are still in effect....taxes too low on the bloated rich and giant corps, too high on everyone else, as payroll taxes, state and local taxes and fees have risen to try and make up for too low federal taxes. Defended to the death by greedy idiot Pubs and silly hater dupes.

The issue is not revenue, the government receives over two thousand million dollars a year in revenue.

The government, were it limited to its constitutional mandates, could easily operate on less than a trillion dollars per year.

The issue is the irrational expansion of government by the Ideological Left, which contains no reasoning, no bounds and NO CHANCE that the perverse leviathan can be sustained.

But I wouldn't worry about it. They're about to detonate the economic bombs they've placed throughout the international finance markets, and the entire house of Leftist cards will AGAIN come crashing down. Making the count: THREE CATASTROPHIC FAILURES OF THE US ECONOMY due to the inevitable failure of socialist policy, in less than a single century and that's just in the United States.

When that happens, the US government will fail, which like the US culture itself, having been bankrupted by the irrational, insatiable appetite of the socialist cult for theft, debauchery and perversion... the subsidies will stop and the intellectually less fortunate, with no skills, no ambition and no means to do ANYTHING for themselves, will turn toward those guns they've been crying about and begin attacking the people who are going about their business, earning a living the best they can... at which point, we, the Americans, will erase them... .

And absent the purveyors of evil, the US can begin the slow painful return to a viability and retake its place as a productive nation.


lol

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Well, no shit, Sherlock. However, if you had a coat store, and only 3 people in town could afford to buy a coat, you wouldn't stay in business very long. And you wouldn't take you tax cut money to hire people, only to have them stand around.

If you give those poor minimum wager earners a raise, they too can purchase a coat. Now you can go hire someone to help you sell coats.

A raise with what money from the tooth fairy?


If I'm such a shitty business owner, who can't afford to pay my help, then I would deserve to go out of business.

Walmart can and should pay their help better. Tax payers are now footing the bill, feeding their employees, since Walmart won't. This is why we need to raise the minimum wage, at least to $10 an hour.

$10 an hour is a reasonable goal if we have to have a Federal minimum wage. I think the states will do a better job setting the minimum wage than the Feds can. Do you really think there is anyone in New York City that works for the minimum wage?


Min wage NY is $8.00 an hour

On Tuesday, New York Mayor Bill de Blasio signed an executive order expanding the city’s living wage law. The change means businesses housed in buildings that benefit from hefty city subsidies will have to pay employees who don’t receive benefits the so-called living wage, now $13.13, up from the current $11.90.

.The expansion promises a substantial raise for an estimated 18,000 workers, including retail and fast-food workers, many of whom now make the New York state minimum wage of $8 an hour.

Will de Blasio 8217 s big raise for low-wage workers encourage other cities to follow suit - The Washington Post


Based on a statistical sampling from the 2010 American Community Survey, more than 54,000 people living in the five boroughs worked full-time, year round and made minimum wage.

The Daily Q How many New York City workers earn minimum wage - The New York WorldThe New York World




Minimum wage workers in New York will soon notice a little extra in their paychecks. That’s because the state raised the minimum wage from $7.25 to $8 an hour for 2014.
Fast food workers went on strike several times in 2013 and at each of the rallies those minimum wage workers were asking for $15 an hour. So even though an $8 an hour minimum wage is more than the $7.25 mandated by the federal government, many say it’s still not enough to survive in New York.

Minimum wage workers in NYC are getting a raise 8212 just not a big one New York s PIX11 WPIX-TV

That is fine with me. City and State governments ruling what is best for the citizens in their jurisdiction. 54,000 out of 9,000,000 in NYC getting the minimum wage. Pretty scary.
 
Businesses don't create jobs. Consumer demand creates jobs.

Therefore, it's more important to have well compensated workers than successful businesses.

This really isn't complicated to people who haven't sold out to the Koch Brothers.
 
Businesses don't create jobs. Consumer demand creates jobs.

Therefore, it's more important to have well compensated workers than successful businesses.

This really isn't complicated to people who haven't sold out to the Koch Brothers.
Businesses produce the products that consumers demand so they do provide jobs

Businesses also drive consumer demand by producing products then convincing people they need those products which creates jobs. And IMO this is the larger part of the equation because most of the shit people buy are more convenience than necessity
So you see it is not as simplistic as you think
 
Ha-ha-ha! We don't need no stinking businesses! :lol:

There is a long line of people waiting to be hired by "consumer demand." I heard that the "economy" only accepts applications from MBAs.
 
"Hillary Clinton told the crowd not to listen to anybody who says that “businesses create jobs.”

well *****.., tell us pee-ons exactly who does "create" jobs ?

i once worked on a railroad building coal cars, in my OPINION the RR created the job and hired me to help them produce a product.

OK liberfools refute my position.
 
A raise with what money from the tooth fairy?


If I'm such a shitty business owner, who can't afford to pay my help, then I would deserve to go out of business.

Walmart can and should pay their help better. Tax payers are now footing the bill, feeding their employees, since Walmart won't. This is why we need to raise the minimum wage, at least to $10 an hour.

$10 an hour is a reasonable goal if we have to have a Federal minimum wage. I think the states will do a better job setting the minimum wage than the Feds can. Do you really think there is anyone in New York City that works for the minimum wage?

As long as companies are allowed to pay less than what a person can get from "welfare" we are going to continue to see more people on welfare. And who can blame them? If you can get $15 an hour from welfare as opposed to $7.25 by working your ass off, which one would you choose? And, don't lie.

On Labor Day 2013 Welfare Pays More Than Minimum-Wage Work In 35 States - Forbes

So you think we should increase the minimum wage, make the USA even less competitive and ship even more jobs to China?


Yeah, because we want to ship jobs like WallyWorld, McD's, Target, etc on boats over there *shaking head*

Gaaaawdddammmn wingnutters race to the bottom continues


Blue States are from Scandinavia, Red States are from Guatemala A theory of a divided nation

In the red states, government is cheaper, which means the people who live there pay lower taxes. But they also get a lot less in return. The unemployment checks run out more quickly and the schools generally aren’t as good. Assistance with health care, child care, and housing is skimpier, if it exists at all. The result of this divergence is that one half of the country looks more and more like Scandinavia, while the other increasingly resembles a social Darwinist’s paradise.

Blue States are from Scandinavia Red States are from Guatemala New Republic

You people are giving me a brain tumor...look what happens when you raise the minimum wage? Try to think at least one more step ahead...hint what happens to wages already above minimum wage right on up the ladder?
 
Yes, I'm aware that "some" companies have a say on pay. However, that is not true for all public-ally traded companies. IMO there should be a rule forcing it. This given that the bulk of fortune 500 companies have formed said oligopoly on executive pay, to skim the profits of our 401k investments.
It isn't skimming if your 401 is going up.
Yes it is. If they use an oligopoly to give themselves MASSIVE pay... at the expense of the consumer and investors... our government is supposed to be breaking up said monopolies. You can't have a free market if you allow a monopoly to control that market.

The concept "oligopoly" is a liberal myth. All it means is that some businesses have a bigger market share than others . In other words, it means capitalism functioning exactly as it should, but the commie professors wants to make it sound sinister.
ROFL ROFL
In other words, you're a dupe who falls for the liberal hocus-pocus.
 
Our largest growth period was in the 50's and 60's when taxes were much higher.

Yeah, and Europe's and Japan's infrastructure was all blown to shit due to the war, so the U.S. was about the only nation building anything.

I always laugh every time a Marxist brings up the 50s as proof that high tax rates help the economy. You're basically admitting you don't know shit about economics.

Of course there's the Clinton tax increase that did not inhibit growth and was followed by a balanced budget.

You're speaking of the Clinton Tax Increase passed just a few years before the Clinton Recession?

No, the 1993 tax increase where BJ Bill and the Dems, without a single GOPer voting for it, created 3 new tax brackets and took the top rate from 31% to 39.6% and saw the economy boom and deficit lowered. I guess when you take revenues back up near 20% of GDP, instead of less than 18% like Ronnie had, you create 4 balanced budgets, 3 after BJ Bill vetoed the GOP $700+ billion tax cut!



Yes, after Dubya was elected we saw a recession.

The claim that the economy boomed because of Clinton's tax increase is too absurd for discussion. Before anyone wastes a second of his time discussing that, please explain how tax increases make the economy grow. How does taking money from productive people and giving it to useless parasites help the economy? I'm just dying to know how anyone can rationalize this idea.
 
Businesses don't create jobs. Consumer demand creates jobs.

Therefore, it's more important to have well compensated workers than successful businesses.

This really isn't complicated to people who haven't sold out to the Koch Brothers.
The scary part is you really think that.
There is a demand for cars that run on water. Where are the jobs, yo?
 
Our largest growth period was in the 50's and 60's when taxes were much higher.

Yeah, and Europe's and Japan's infrastructure was all blown to shit due to the war, so the U.S. was about the only nation building anything.

I always laugh every time a Marxist brings up the 50s as proof that high tax rates help the economy. You're basically admitting you don't know shit about economics.

Of course there's the Clinton tax increase that did not inhibit growth and was followed by a balanced budget.

You're speaking of the Clinton Tax Increase passed just a few years before the Clinton Recession?

No, the 1993 tax increase where BJ Bill and the Dems, without a single GOPer voting for it, created 3 new tax brackets and took the top rate from 31% to 39.6% and saw the economy boom and deficit lowered. I guess when you take revenues back up near 20% of GDP, instead of less than 18% like Ronnie had, you create 4 balanced budgets, 3 after BJ Bill vetoed the GOP $700+ billion tax cut!



Yes, after Dubya was elected we saw a recession.

The claim that the economy boomed because of Clinton's tax increase is too absurd for discussion. Before anyone wastes a second of his time discussing that, please explain how tax increases make the economy grow. How does taking money from productive people and giving it to useless parasites help the economy? I'm just dying to know how anyone can rationalize this idea.
Because it puts more money in the hands of poor people who spend it quickly.
Seriously they really do think this way.
 
Yes, I'm aware that "some" companies have a say on pay. However, that is not true for all public-ally traded companies. IMO there should be a rule forcing it. This given that the bulk of fortune 500 companies have formed said oligopoly on executive pay, to skim the profits of our 401k investments.
It isn't skimming if your 401 is going up.
Yes it is. If they use an oligopoly to give themselves MASSIVE pay... at the expense of the consumer and investors... our government is supposed to be breaking up said monopolies. You can't have a free market if you allow a monopoly to control that market.

The concept "oligopoly" is a liberal myth. All it means is that some businesses have a bigger market share than others . In other words, it means capitalism functioning exactly as it should, but the commie professors wants to make it sound sinister.
ROFL ROFL
In other words, you're a dupe who falls for the liberal hocus-pocus.
Oh I thought you were kidding. You really believe monopolies and oligopolies are hocus-pocus? Dude, fess up are you on MJ today?
 
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Appearing at a Boston rally for Democrat gubernatorial candidate Martha Coakley on Friday, Hillary Clinton told the crowd gathered at the Park Plaza Hotel not to listen to anybody who says that “businesses create jobs.”

Hillary Don t Let Anybody Tell You That Businesses Create Jobs

....and you Lefty pusillanimous puss pockets will lap this right up.

Dayyumm, what a good thread. Wish I had time to just keep piling on the idiot Ms. Clinton and her sycophants about this....but looks like you folks are doing just fine without me, LOL....
 
It isn't skimming if your 401 is going up.
Yes it is. If they use an oligopoly to give themselves MASSIVE pay... at the expense of the consumer and investors... our government is supposed to be breaking up said monopolies. You can't have a free market if you allow a monopoly to control that market.

The concept "oligopoly" is a liberal myth. All it means is that some businesses have a bigger market share than others . In other words, it means capitalism functioning exactly as it should, but the commie professors wants to make it sound sinister.
ROFL ROFL
In other words, you're a dupe who falls for the liberal hocus-pocus.
Oh I thought you were kidding. You really believe monopolies and oligopolies are hocus-pocus? Dude, fess up are you on MJ today?

Yes, they are. Government has legally imposed all the monopolies that have ever existed. The term "oligopoly" is used by sycophantic government economists to denote the leading competitors in any industry. It's a propaganda term. It means nothing in terms of economics.
 
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Just Another dumb Communist/Progressive. Do we really need a dumb Communist/Progressive to follow the one we have in there right now? Hopefully Americans will say HELLS NO!!
 
Demand for goods and services creates jobs. Period.

Owning a business is a job. No demand for goods and services.......no jobs.

Of course..........except for the fact that business owner MUST first create the goods.

You are next going to argue that the egg comes before the Chicken

That's a pretty simple minded philosophy. Find me a business owner who manufactures widgets without having demand for them......and I'll find you a business for sale.

Apparently that's a simple minded take from someone who provided a very simple minded view on job creation.
 
Businesses don't create jobs. Consumer demand creates jobs.

Therefore, it's more important to have well compensated workers than successful businesses.

This really isn't complicated to people who haven't sold out to the Koch Brothers.

Well, here's the problem with THAT!

"Compensation stems directly from an exchange, which cannot take place until a CONSUMER WITH NEED HIRES a worker. The VAST MAJORITY of 'workers', are not present where the consumer happens to be expressing their need, nor do they have the means to satisfy those needs in terms of resources...

Which is why those with the resources, who use those resources as they MAKE IT THEIR BUSINESS
TO BE WHERE CONSUMERS ARE EXPRESSING THEIR NEED... .

Which is why they get the largest percentages of the profits, with labor getting the next largest share.

Of course, the labor gets to use all of the money that they earned toward their own needs, while the owner gets to plow the bulk of his larger share BACK INTO THE BUSINESS... to make sure that he's where the consumer is expressing their need, WHICH WHAT HAPPENS WHEN BUSINESSES PRODUCE JOBS!

And that's how we can know, BEYOND absolute certainty that you, Bubba's wife and the idiot who wants her job, are fools, liars and thieves... OKA: Evil, AKA: Socialists and as such: DEAD WRONG ABOUT DAM' NEAR EVERYTHING.
 
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