Don t Let Anybody Tell You That Businesses Create Jobs

[bripat9643]

Why did you leave out the most important part of the Republican Contract On America that DEREGULATED Arthur Anderson and resulted in the ENRON ponzi scheme, Worldcom, etc?

Arthur Anderson was never found guilty of any criminal activity.

Arthur Andersen LLP v. United States, 544 U.S. 696 (2005) was a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court unanimously overturned accounting firm Arthur Andersen's conviction of obstruction of justice in the fraudulent activities and subsequent collapse of Enron, on the basis that the jury instructions did not properly portray the law Andersen was charged with breaking. As the Andersen name had become toxic and the firm had been obligated to cease audit activities, the business was unable to recover even after the conviction was overturned in its favor.


During the fall of Enron, Arthur Andersen, Enron's accounting firm, instructed its employees to destroy documents relating to Enron after Andersen officials learned they would soon be investigated by the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Arthur Andersen LLP v. United States - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

What's your point? Do you see anyone in here defending Arther Anderson?

 

[bripat9643]

And what if their weren't a walmart? What then? What about all the jobs they could have supplied for, was it Washington, that they pay no less than they demanded? And they said, ok, we won't open there. The local council there caused those people to not get jobs. There was demand there, yet they knew they couldn't afford to start people, without skills at the demanded rate, and went somewhere else business friendly.

And once again, if walmart didn't hire them they might not have a job at all, with their minimal and sometimes no skills, and then we would be fully supporting them.

A raise with what money from the tooth fairy?

If I'm such a shitty business owner, who can't afford to pay my help, then I would deserve to go out of business.

Walmart can and should pay their help better. Tax payers are now footing the bill, feeding their employees, since Walmart won't. This is why we need to raise the minimum wage, at least to $10 an hour.

WALMART WILL ******* HIRE THEM IF THERE IS A DEMAND. Jeebus H Cripes, how many times does that need to be repeated?

So Washington doesn't rovide things the people want withgout a WallyWorld?


Walmart and the Walton family benefit from tax breaks and taxpayer subsidies estimated at more than $7.8 billion a year

The $7.8 billion includes an estimated $6.2 billion in public assistance for low-wage Walmart employees, including programs like food stamps, subsidized housing, and Medicaid
Walmart benefits from billions in government subsidies Study MSNBC

That's pure crap, of course. It assumes that if someone working for Walmart receives public assistance that Walmart is the beneficiary. That's pure Marxist propaganda. The person getting the check is the beneficiary. That's what the term "beneficiary" means.

 

[Dad2three]

He also warned there was going to be fallout which dems denied

Yes, the massive job losses following the Republican economic collapse of 2008 essentially wiped out any gains in jobs during the Bush jr administration. The Forbes article deliberately excluded that period in order to make their point about tax cuts not doing squat to "create jobs".

Interesting that you couldn't refute a single fact provided in the article. That is a tacit admission that you were lying when you alleged that increasing taxes would harm the economy.

So let's see how liberal logic works. The democrats took both houses in 2006 election. Thus they had more then a year before 2008 and it was a Republican recession? Really? Are you telling us that the democrats who were clearly in power were either inept or stupid? Then with Obama's election for about a year the democrats held a filibuster proof majority and what did they do? Apparently nothing because the liberals are still bitchin' about the same things and still blaming the party the liberals say can't win an election. Liberals are just too funny and predictable.

Mindless deflection. We are discussing job growth under various administrations.

Oh really? This is what you posted, go back and look you must have forgotten, "Yes, the massive job losses following the Republican economic collapse of 2008 essentially wiped out any gains in jobs during the Bush jr administration."

So, when you said Republican economic collapse did you really mean democrat since they were in power and had been in power or were you the one deflecting? Nothing I posted was not and is not true or is a deflection. What you posted is a reinvention of history. If you want to discuss a topic then YOU stick to that topic and don't interject left wing BS. The 2008 recession was all democrat.

ONE bill the Dems passed that chamged Dubya's policies 2007-2008? lol



Right-wingers Want To Erase How George Bush's "Homeowner Society" Helped Cause The Economic Collapse


2004 Republican Convention:

Another priority for a new term is to build an ownership society, because ownership brings security and dignity and independence.
...

Thanks to our policies, home ownership in America is at an all- time high.

(APPLAUSE)

Tonight we set a new goal: 7 million more affordable homes in the next 10 years, so more American families will be able to open the door and say, "Welcome to my home."

FACTS on Dubya s great recession US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

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WHICH 'WARNING' WAS THAT?

Bushs documented policies and statements in timeframe leading up to the start of the Bush Mortgage Bubble include (but not limited to)

Wanting 5.5 million more minority homeowners
Tells congress there is nothing wrong with GSEs
Pledging to use federal policy to increase home ownership
Routinely taking credit for the housing market
Forcing GSEs to buy more low income home loans by raising their Housing Goals
Lowering Invesntment bank’s capital requirements, Net Capital rule
Reversing the Clinton rule that restricted GSEs purchases of subprime loans
Lowering down payment requirements to 0%
Forcing GSEs to spend an additional $440 billion in the secondary markets
Giving away 40,000 free down payments

PREEMPTING ALL STATE LAWS AGAINST PREDATORY LENDING


But the biggest policy was regulators not enforcing lending standards.

FACTS on Dubya s great recession US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum

 

[Dad2three]

If I'm such a shitty business owner, who can't afford to pay my help, then I would deserve to go out of business.

Walmart can and should pay their help better. Tax payers and now footing the bill, feeding their employees, since Walmart won't. This is why we need to raise the minimum wage, at least to $10 an hour.

The taxpayers are and legislators are making part time work more attractive to business owners with their over regulation of the market. WalMart's cost will be passed on to the consumer so you aren't helping them. And most aren't making minimum wage anyway.

Walmart is not going to out-price themselves. If Walmart raises their prices, I will go shopping at Target. Their CEO makes $11,000 an hour. They may have to cut that down to $10,000 an hour.

So you think Walmart is willing to operate at a loss of your ilk impose a $10 minimum wage on them?

Conservatives who are against welfare because it "creates dependence on the Government" SHOULD be in favor of an increased minimum wage. Increasing the minimum wage to the point that full-time employees do not NEED government assistance would result in a MASSIVE reduction of the people on Gov't aide


Currently, the government effectively subsidizes employers who pay low wages.


Raising the minimum wage doesn't kill jobs--and history is all the evidence you need to prove it.

I'm against welfare because its stealing. Whether it causes dependence is a side issue.

Government does not subsidize any business it doesn't send a check to. That's the definition of "subsidy."

If you claim the minimum wage doesn't kill jobs, then you claim the laws of supply and demand are invalid. If that's the case, then one has to wonder what principles of economics you support.

Got it, you don't believe in REALITY

Thank you for putting that in terms us libs can understand.

We are now crystal clear on your completely false understanding of national finances

 

[Dad2three]

Why did you leave out the most important part of the Republican Contract On America that DEREGULATED Arthur Anderson and resulted in the ENRON ponzi scheme, Worldcom, etc?

Arthur Anderson was never found guilty of any criminal activity.

Arthur Andersen LLP v. United States, 544 U.S. 696 (2005) was a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court unanimously overturned accounting firm Arthur Andersen's conviction of obstruction of justice in the fraudulent activities and subsequent collapse of Enron, on the basis that the jury instructions did not properly portray the law Andersen was charged with breaking. As the Andersen name had become toxic and the firm had been obligated to cease audit activities, the business was unable to recover even after the conviction was overturned in its favor.


During the fall of Enron, Arthur Andersen, Enron's accounting firm, instructed its employees to destroy documents relating to Enron after Andersen officials learned they would soon be investigated by the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Arthur Andersen LLP v. United States - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

What's your point? Do you see anyone in here defending Arther Anderson?

IF you poke your nose in without understanding the context of the post, why bother?

 

[Dad2three]

And what if their weren't a walmart? What then? What about all the jobs they could have supplied for, was it Washington, that they pay no less than they demanded? And they said, ok, we won't open there. The local council there caused those people to not get jobs. There was demand there, yet they knew they couldn't afford to start people, without skills at the demanded rate, and went somewhere else business friendly.

And once again, if walmart didn't hire them they might not have a job at all, with their minimal and sometimes no skills, and then we would be fully supporting them.

If I'm such a shitty business owner, who can't afford to pay my help, then I would deserve to go out of business.

Walmart can and should pay their help better. Tax payers are now footing the bill, feeding their employees, since Walmart won't. This is why we need to raise the minimum wage, at least to $10 an hour.

WALMART WILL ******* HIRE THEM IF THERE IS A DEMAND. Jeebus H Cripes, how many times does that need to be repeated?

So Washington doesn't rovide things the people want withgout a WallyWorld?


Walmart and the Walton family benefit from tax breaks and taxpayer subsidies estimated at more than $7.8 billion a year

The $7.8 billion includes an estimated $6.2 billion in public assistance for low-wage Walmart employees, including programs like food stamps, subsidized housing, and Medicaid
Walmart benefits from billions in government subsidies Study MSNBC

That's pure crap, of course. It assumes that if someone working for Walmart receives public assistance that Walmart is the beneficiary. That's pure Marxist propaganda. The person getting the check is the beneficiary. That's what the term "beneficiary" means.

Oh right IF Walmart had to pay a living wage, the welfare costs would decrease, but that's not a subsidy *shaking head*

 

[percysunshine]

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One would have thought that Bush Derangement Syndrome was a temporary psychosomatic affliction. However, it appears to be chronic.

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[bripat9643]

The taxpayers are and legislators are making part time work more attractive to business owners with their over regulation of the market. WalMart's cost will be passed on to the consumer so you aren't helping them. And most aren't making minimum wage anyway.

Walmart is not going to out-price themselves. If Walmart raises their prices, I will go shopping at Target. Their CEO makes $11,000 an hour. They may have to cut that down to $10,000 an hour.

So you think Walmart is willing to operate at a loss of your ilk impose a $10 minimum wage on them?

Conservatives who are against welfare because it "creates dependence on the Government" SHOULD be in favor of an increased minimum wage. Increasing the minimum wage to the point that full-time employees do not NEED government assistance would result in a MASSIVE reduction of the people on Gov't aide


Currently, the government effectively subsidizes employers who pay low wages.


Raising the minimum wage doesn't kill jobs--and history is all the evidence you need to prove it.

I'm against welfare because its stealing. Whether it causes dependence is a side issue.

Government does not subsidize any business it doesn't send a check to. That's the definition of "subsidy."

If you claim the minimum wage doesn't kill jobs, then you claim the laws of supply and demand are invalid. If that's the case, then one has to wonder what principles of economics you support.

Got it, you don't believe in REALITY

Thank you for putting that in terms us libs can understand.

We are now crystal clear on your completely false understanding of national finances

You'll have to excuse me if I don't swallow the liberal abracadabra and insist on the traditional meaning of terms rather than the ones liberals invent to make their idiocies appear to be plausible.

 

[bripat9643]

And what if their weren't a walmart? What then? What about all the jobs they could have supplied for, was it Washington, that they pay no less than they demanded? And they said, ok, we won't open there. The local council there caused those people to not get jobs. There was demand there, yet they knew they couldn't afford to start people, without skills at the demanded rate, and went somewhere else business friendly.

And once again, if walmart didn't hire them they might not have a job at all, with their minimal and sometimes no skills, and then we would be fully supporting them.

WALMART WILL ******* HIRE THEM IF THERE IS A DEMAND. Jeebus H Cripes, how many times does that need to be repeated?

So Washington doesn't rovide things the people want withgout a WallyWorld?


Walmart and the Walton family benefit from tax breaks and taxpayer subsidies estimated at more than $7.8 billion a year

The $7.8 billion includes an estimated $6.2 billion in public assistance for low-wage Walmart employees, including programs like food stamps, subsidized housing, and Medicaid
Walmart benefits from billions in government subsidies Study MSNBC

That's pure crap, of course. It assumes that if someone working for Walmart receives public assistance that Walmart is the beneficiary. That's pure Marxist propaganda. The person getting the check is the beneficiary. That's what the term "beneficiary" means.

Oh right IF Walmart had to pay a living wage, the welfare costs would decrease, but that's not a subsidy *shaking head*

Whether welfare costs decrease or increase is irrelevant to the definition of the word "subsidy." If government forced Walmart out of business, that would drastically increase welfare costs. Would that be a subsidy to Walmart?

 

[Iceweasel]

The $7.8 billion includes an estimated $6.2 billion in public assistance for low-wage Walmart employees, including programs like food stamps, subsidized housing, and Medicaid.

WalMart gets subsidies from the government because government pays out for social programs for employees? Then everyone with an employee on a social program is being subsidized. That's a pretty good argument for cutting social spending and letting the free market rule! Thanks.

 

[HenryBHough]

If Walmart closed doors for a week there's be starving liberals scrounging dumpsters in hope of finding food.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Well, no shit, Sherlock. However, if you had a coat store, and only 3 people in town could afford to buy a coat, you wouldn't stay in business very long. And you wouldn't take you tax cut money to hire people, only to have them stand around.

If you give those poor minimum wager earners a raise, they too can purchase a coat. Now you can go hire someone to help you sell coats.

A raise with what money from the tooth fairy?

If I'm such a shitty business owner, who can't afford to pay my help, then I would deserve to go out of business.

Walmart can and should pay their help better. Tax payers are now footing the bill, feeding their employees, since Walmart won't. This is why we need to raise the minimum wage, at least to $10 an hour.

If Walmart closed doors for a week there's be starving liberals scrounging dumpsters in hope of finding food.

Let's just say a lot of democrats would starve
But I do buy guns and ammo from wally world from time to time

 

[Dad2three]

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One would have thought that Bush Derangement Syndrome was a temporary psychosomatic affliction. However, it appears to be chronic.

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Yep, policy stops the day a Prez leaves. just ask cons about St Ronnie's credit for the 18989's BJ Bill economy

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Reagan may have been 30 years ago, but his tax rates and policies are still in effect....taxes too low on the bloated rich and giant corps, too high on everyone else, as payroll taxes, state and local taxes and fees have risen to try and make up for too low federal taxes. Defended to the death by greedy idiot Pubs and silly hater dupes.

The issue is not revenue, the government receives over two thousand million dollars a year in revenue.

The government, were it limited to its constitutional mandates, could easily operate on less than a trillion dollars per year.

The issue is the irrational expansion of government by the Ideological Left, which contains no reasoning, no bounds and NO CHANCE that the perverse leviathan can be sustained.

But I wouldn't worry about it. They're about to detonate the economic bombs they've placed throughout the international finance markets, and the entire house of Leftist cards will AGAIN come crashing down. Making the count: THREE CATASTROPHIC FAILURES OF THE US ECONOMY due to the inevitable failure of socialist policy, in less than a single century and that's just in the United States.

When that happens, the US government will fail, which like the US culture itself, having been bankrupted by the irrational, insatiable appetite of the socialist cult for theft, debauchery and perversion... the subsidies will stop and the intellectually less fortunate, with no skills, no ambition and no means to do ANYTHING for themselves, will turn toward those guns they've been crying about and begin attacking the people who are going about their business, earning a living the best they can... at which point, we, the Americans, will erase them... .

And absent the purveyors of evil, the US can begin the slow painful return to a viability and retake its place as a productive nation.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Our largest growth period was in the 50's and 60's when taxes were much higher.

Yeah, and Europe's and Japan's infrastructure was all blown to shit due to the war, so the U.S. was about the only nation building anything.

I always laugh every time a Marxist brings up the 50s as proof that high tax rates help the economy. You're basically admitting you don't know shit about economics.

Of course there's the Clinton tax increase that did not inhibit growth and was followed by a balanced budget.

You're speaking of the Clinton Tax Increase passed just a few years before the Clinton Recession?

 

[percysunshine]

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One would have thought that Bush Derangement Syndrome was a temporary psychosomatic affliction. However, it appears to be chronic.

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Yep, policy stops the day a Prez leaves. just ask cons about St Ronnie's credit for the 18989's BJ Bill economy

Have you come to terms yet with the fact that there were WMD's ...or is this still the denial stage of the illness?

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[Iceweasel]

Yep, policy stops the day a Prez leaves. just ask cons about St Ronnie's credit for the 18989's BJ Bill economy

So the president writes and passes the bills on your home planet? Fascinating stuff.

 

[Iceweasel]

Have you come to terms yet with the fact that there were WMD's ...or is this still the denial stage of the illness?

I'm thinking it's responsible for the flair up, so much so it inflamed the mostly dormant Reagan virus. Sort of like Shingles.

 

[Judicial review]

Businesses don't create jobs, but business owners do.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Oh my, what taxes are you going to lower, on the lower income? You really don't understand how unhealthy it is to have all the money going to the top, do you?

The rich pay most of the taxes, the poor pay little to none. The money isn't going to get better for lower class folks until the economy improves. The government isn't Robin Hood and shouldn't be in the business of wealth redistribution.

Well, no, that's not true either. The poor pay plenty in State taxes.

More trickle down bullshit that NeoClowns have spewed for years. It doesn't work, and it never has worked. If the top 0.01 % have more money than half of the entire country, and it still hasn't trickled down....THAT MEANS IT'S NOT GOING TO TRICKLE DOWN!!!

Is it really that difficult to understand?