Don t Let Anybody Tell You That Businesses Create Jobs

[Yarddog]

Demand for goods and services creates jobs. Period.

Owning a business is a job. No demand for goods and services.......no jobs.

I guess Detriit has no demand for goods and services then, otherwise they would all be emplyed

 

[Iceweasel]

Who is hiring those illegals if it isn't business?

An awful lot of homeowners, including libs. Maybe especially libs, no one loves a good deal better than they.

 

[TooTall]

...I guess businesses need to beef up the border patrol and build a higher fence. All this time I thought the Federal Government was responsible for controlling the border and setting immigration policy. Please tell me I am wrong.

Of course you're wrong.

However, in a situation where business silently and tacitly stimulates Illegal Immigration by hiring and exploiting low-wages Illegal Alien labor, thereby being responsible, at least in part, for an irresistible motivation and stimulus for outsiders to try crossing into the United States, it greatly increases the volume and makes border control all the more difficult.

Before you dig the hole deeper, perhaps you should read these links.

U.S. Code § 1324a - Unlawful employment of aliens
8 U.S. Code 1324a - Unlawful employment of aliens LII Legal Information Institute

How Federal Law Regulates ForeignWorkers
Foreign Workers Post September 11th - News Publications=

Are you really and truly going to try to pretend that businesses do not hire Illegal Aliens by the hundreds of thousands and by the millions, in order to take advantage of far lower labor rates?

Really?

And you serve-up a law-citation or two, in support of that, and some commentary about the state of affairs immediately subsequent to 9-11?

Implying, of course, that businesses routinely comply with such laws, and that the post 9-11 state of affairs continued largely in the same vein, ever since the 9-11 timeframe, in an Illegal Immigration context?

Really?

You're a funny guy.

My plumber uses Illegals.

My roofer uses Illegals.

My general contractor uses illegals.

My driveway paving and resurfacing provider uses illegals.

My painter uses illegals.

My pool service (tough jobs only) uses illegals.

My neighbor's lawn care service uses illegals.

Five fast food joints within five minutes of my house use illegals.

Puh-leeeze!

And, the particular statute you cited, was passed by the present 113th Congress - only a year or two old.

How long have members of the latest Invasion Wave (12,000,000 to 20,000,000 Illegal Aliens now present upon United States soil) been coming here?

Since the 1986 Reagan Shamnesty was fulfilled, admitting a prior 3,000,000.

This most recent Invasion Wave began more than a quarter-century ago, long before that particular piece of legislation was passed.

A little like locking the barn door after the horses have already escaped.

Even IF such statute were being scrupulously observed by all sizes of companies and in all industries...

It didn't exist throughout the majority of the most recent Invasion Period, and, therefore, is nearly irrelevant, for our purposes here.

And, what existed prior to that time was oftentimes and rightfully viewed as being about as useful as a screen door on a submarine.

Businesses don't hire Illegal Aliens on a large scale - law or no law?

Yeah - right.

Your Honor - the Defense rests.

Absolutely amazing!! And you still employ these businesses knowing they are illegals. Aren't you ashamed? Of course you know they were here illegally because you asked them didn't you. That is, unless you consider anyone that is obviously Hispanic is here illegally. Of course that would make you a bigot and probably wrong more often than you were right.
The discussion was about BIG business. Plumbers and lawn service companies don't advertise in Mexico and as long as Obama openly encourages them to come here and does not enforce the laws effectively on businesses, large and small, there will continue to be illegals an influx of illegal.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Net zero? Really?

Business not only creates jobs, it creates wealth. Government uses some of the wealth to operate. The deeper it digs into the pockets of business the worse the economy gets. Morons blame business.

Facts not in evidence.

Yeah, there is no evidence in reality.

Two largest tax increases in the history of this nation occurred under Bush Sr and Bill Clinton and that was followed by 20 million new jobs being created.

The massive tax cuts under Bush Jr resulted in a net zero job creation. Even when you factor out the economic collapse there is zero evidence that tax cuts produced any jobs.

The Truth About The Bush Tax Cuts And Job Growth - Forbes

So the "evidence in reality" is that increasing taxes does NOT harm the economy.

Business not only creates jobs, it creates wealth. Government uses some of the wealth to operate. The deeper it digs into the pockets of business the worse the economy gets. Morons blame business.

Facts not in evidence.

Yeah, there is no evidence in reality.

Two largest tax increases in the history of this nation occurred under Bush Sr and Bill Clinton and that was followed by 20 million new jobs being created.

The massive tax cuts under Bush Jr resulted in a net zero job creation. Even when you factor out the economic collapse there is zero evidence that tax cuts produced any jobs.

The Truth About The Bush Tax Cuts And Job Growth - Forbes

So the "evidence in reality" is that increasing taxes does NOT harm the economy.

Yes, the massive job losses following the Republican economic collapse of 2008 essentially wiped out any gains in jobs during the Bush jr administration. The Forbes article deliberately excluded that period in order to make their point about tax cuts not doing squat to "create jobs".

Interesting that you couldn't refute a single fact provided in the article. That is a tacit admission that you were lying when you alleged that increasing taxes would harm the economy.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Our largest growth period was in the 50's and 60's when taxes were much higher.

Yeah, and Europe's and Japan's infrastructure was all blown to shit due to the war, so the U.S. was about the only nation building anything.

I always laugh every time a Marxist brings up the 50s as proof that high tax rates help the economy. You're basically admitting you don't know shit about economics.

I doubt you don't even know what a Marxist is.

Regardless of Europe's economy, the 50's certainly does demonstrate that you can have prosperity without coddling the rich. The top bracket paid more in taxes, and taxes on corporate profits were twice what they are today. We also had an empowered workforce.

It is a fact that the degree of income inequality in this country is unhealthy for our economy. You can look to the 1920's as evidence, leading up to the Great Depression.

Fortune magazine published an essay about "how the top executives lived," in 1955, which compared their lifestyles to those in the 1920's. The top 0.01 percent of Americans incomes were half of what they were in the 20's, when all the money was going to the top.

How top executives live Fortune 1955 - Fortune

Now, where's your evidence that tax cuts create jobs? I'm looking forward to seeing what you've got. So far you've got nothing.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Who is hiring those illegals if it isn't business?

An awful lot of homeowners, including libs. Maybe especially libs, no one loves a good deal better than they.

That has to be the dumbest allegation you have ever made!

Liberal homeowners employ 12 to 20 million illegal immigrants?

Seriously?

Where is your credible link to substantiate your BS allegation?

 

[Carla_Danger]

Classic delineation of the respective views.

I find it humorous that the Left is always so dead set against individual achievement.

That's complete bullshit. The Left is not dead set against individual achievement.

 

[Avorysuds]

Demand for goods and services creates jobs. Period.

Owning a business is a job. No demand for goods and services.......no jobs.

You, are honestly a stupid human being.

 

[Avorysuds]

Our largest growth period was in the 50's and 60's when taxes were much higher.

Yeah, and Europe's and Japan's infrastructure was all blown to shit due to the war, so the U.S. was about the only nation building anything.

I always laugh every time a Marxist brings up the 50s as proof that high tax rates help the economy. You're basically admitting you don't know shit about economics.

I doubt you don't even know what a Marxist is.

Regardless of Europe's economy, the 50's certainly does demonstrate that you can have prosperity without coddling the rich. The top bracket paid more in taxes, and taxes on corporate profits were twice what they are today. We also had an empowered workforce.

It is a fact that the degree of income inequality in this country is unhealthy for our economy. You can look to the 1920's as evidence, leading up to the Great Depression.

Fortune magazine published an essay about "how the top executives lived," in 1955, which compared their lifestyles to those in the 1920's. The top 0.01 percent of Americans incomes were half of what they were in the 20's, when all the money was going to the top.

How top executives live Fortune 1955 - Fortune

Now, where's your evidence that tax cuts create jobs? I'm looking forward to seeing what you've got. So far you've got nothing.

Oh gawd just shut the stupidity off PLZZZ!

There is so much more to the subject of how the rich of today are more rich than in the passed. It's not like greed was invented 15 years ago. The Government of the 1950's was not handing out trillions to (dun dun dun) the rich and calling it stimulus like they are doing today... under Mr. Anti rich Obama himself.

And taxes were not high in the mother ******* 50's and 60's.... not,,,,...,,,.,., after.,.,./,;l,;kl;p deductrions..,;.,.,.<~><><!><~><.`,~ It's almost impossible to believe your position still lives on, it's like you try and kill intelligent debate in hopes that it will make you sound like you know something.

 

[depotoo]

Well, sorry kiddo, not true.Let's see you apply that same -formula- to Obama's numbers.

Net zero? Really?

Business not only creates jobs, it creates wealth. Government uses some of the wealth to operate. The deeper it digs into the pockets of business the worse the economy gets. Morons blame business.

Facts not in evidence.

Yeah, there is no evidence in reality.

Two largest tax increases in the history of this nation occurred under Bush Sr and Bill Clinton and that was followed by 20 million new jobs being created.

The massive tax cuts under Bush Jr resulted in a net zero job creation. Even when you factor out the economic collapse there is zero evidence that tax cuts produced any jobs.

The Truth About The Bush Tax Cuts And Job Growth - Forbes

So the "evidence in reality" is that increasing taxes does NOT harm the economy.

Business not only creates jobs, it creates wealth. Government uses some of the wealth to operate. The deeper it digs into the pockets of business the worse the economy gets. Morons blame business.

Facts not in evidence.

Yeah, there is no evidence in reality.

Two largest tax increases in the history of this nation occurred under Bush Sr and Bill Clinton and that was followed by 20 million new jobs being created.

The massive tax cuts under Bush Jr resulted in a net zero job creation. Even when you factor out the economic collapse there is zero evidence that tax cuts produced any jobs.

The Truth About The Bush Tax Cuts And Job Growth - Forbes

So the "evidence in reality" is that increasing taxes does NOT harm the economy.

Yes, the massive job losses following the Republican economic collapse of 2008 essentially wiped out any gains in jobs during the Bush jr administration. The Forbes article deliberately excluded that period in order to make their point about tax cuts not doing squat to "create jobs".

Interesting that you couldn't refute a single fact provided in the article. That is a tacit admission that you were lying when you alleged that increasing taxes would harm the economy.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Demand for goods and services creates jobs. Period.

Owning a business is a job. No demand for goods and services.......no jobs.

You, are honestly a stupid human being.

Yeah? Show me the light, genius boy.

 

[Freewill]

Net zero? Really?

Business not only creates jobs, it creates wealth. Government uses some of the wealth to operate. The deeper it digs into the pockets of business the worse the economy gets. Morons blame business.

Facts not in evidence.

Yeah, there is no evidence in reality.

Two largest tax increases in the history of this nation occurred under Bush Sr and Bill Clinton and that was followed by 20 million new jobs being created.

The massive tax cuts under Bush Jr resulted in a net zero job creation. Even when you factor out the economic collapse there is zero evidence that tax cuts produced any jobs.

The Truth About The Bush Tax Cuts And Job Growth - Forbes

So the "evidence in reality" is that increasing taxes does NOT harm the economy.

Business not only creates jobs, it creates wealth. Government uses some of the wealth to operate. The deeper it digs into the pockets of business the worse the economy gets. Morons blame business.

Facts not in evidence.

Yeah, there is no evidence in reality.

Two largest tax increases in the history of this nation occurred under Bush Sr and Bill Clinton and that was followed by 20 million new jobs being created.

The massive tax cuts under Bush Jr resulted in a net zero job creation. Even when you factor out the economic collapse there is zero evidence that tax cuts produced any jobs.

The Truth About The Bush Tax Cuts And Job Growth - Forbes

So the "evidence in reality" is that increasing taxes does NOT harm the economy.

Yes, the massive job losses following the Republican economic collapse of 2008 essentially wiped out any gains in jobs during the Bush jr administration. The Forbes article deliberately excluded that period in order to make their point about tax cuts not doing squat to "create jobs".

Interesting that you couldn't refute a single fact provided in the article. That is a tacit admission that you were lying when you alleged that increasing taxes would harm the economy.

So let's see how liberal logic works. The democrats took both houses in 2006 election. Thus they had more then a year before 2008 and it was a Republican recession? Really? Are you telling us that the democrats who were clearly in power were either inept or stupid? Then with Obama's election for about a year the democrats held a filibuster proof majority and what did they do? Apparently nothing because the liberals are still bitchin' about the same things and still blaming the party the liberals say can't win an election. Liberals are just too funny and predictable.

 

[Kondor3]

...Absolutely amazing!! And you still employ these businesses knowing they are illegals...

When you've tried several service providers over the course of several years, and see the same thing with all of them, you come to understand that that is the norm.

...Aren't you ashamed?...

Nope. The produce you eat and the meat you consume are almost certainly harvested and prepared by Illegal Aliens. If you're not, I'm not.

...Of course you know they were here illegally because you asked them didn't you...

When a day-labor minivan drops-off the temp help for your job in front of your house - any of a dozen or more local agencies known for hiring Illegals - you know, with a high probability of being right. When your local fast-food joints are raided for Illegals once or more each year, you know, with a high degree of probability. Let's not quibble.

...That is, unless you consider anyone that is obviously Hispanic is here illegally. Of course that would make you a bigot and probably wrong more often than you were right...

Cheap shot, and entirely untrue; I would have offered no such insult to you. Oh, well, your choice, and I'll live. I have been refraining mightily from calling you an arrogant ass, at least within the confines of this exchange, but, sadly, I have been pushed into abandoning that struggle.

...The discussion was about BIG business...

The overall discussion is the one that I was playing to, and the overall discussion focuses upon business, of any and all sizes.

By the way, you DO understand that small business - when you combine their payrolls - account for FAR more warm bodies on the payroll than the Big Boys do, right?

If not, you should probably do a little more research on such demographics.

...Plumbers and lawn service companies don't advertise in Mexico...

Correct. But they DO hire Illegals once they get here. By the bushel-basket full. And the folks south of the border know this, and it is part of what motivates them to come here.

...and as long as Obama openly encourages them to come here and does not enforce the laws effectively on businesses, large and small, there will continue to be illegals an influx of illegal.

Yep.

The same can be said of Shrub.

And Bubba.

And Papa Bush.

And Ronnie Raygun.

And Jimmah Abdul Carter.

And Gerry Ford.

And Tricky Dick.

And LBJ.

And Jack Kennedy.

The last guy that did anything serious in the fight against Illegal Immigration was Eisenhower.

Long ago, in a galaxy far, far away.

Both political parties are full of shit clean up to their ears, on the subject of fighting Illegal Immigration - both parties.

And their partners in crime - business - big and small.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Who is hiring those illegals if it isn't business?

An awful lot of homeowners, including libs. Maybe especially libs, no one loves a good deal better than they.

That has to be the dumbest allegation you have ever made!

Liberal homeowners employ 12 to 20 million illegal immigrants?

Seriously?

Where is your credible link to substantiate your BS allegation?

It's like trying to debate with a 5 yr old.

 

[Freewill]

Business not only creates jobs, it creates wealth. Government uses some of the wealth to operate. The deeper it digs into the pockets of business the worse the economy gets. Morons blame business.

Facts not in evidence.

Yeah, there is no evidence in reality.

Two largest tax increases in the history of this nation occurred under Bush Sr and Bill Clinton and that was followed by 20 million new jobs being created.

The massive tax cuts under Bush Jr resulted in a net zero job creation. Even when you factor out the economic collapse there is zero evidence that tax cuts produced any jobs.

The Truth About The Bush Tax Cuts And Job Growth - Forbes

So the "evidence in reality" is that increasing taxes does NOT harm the economy.

Actually, a recession followed immediately after Bush's tax increase. It seems liberal time horizons on the their post hoc fallacies are infinitely malleable. According to liberal theory, a tax increase can cause economic growth 6 months after it is imposed or 60 years after it is imposed.

So how is that the country came out of that recession with those tax increases in place and the expansion took off even after Clinton increased taxes even more?

How is that possible?

How was the recession of 2007 possible with all of GW Bush's tax cuts in place?

Liberals are so damn funny. You better tell franco he is full of it in post 207 because he is saying exactly the opposite of what you are saying. Yes, both Reagan and Clinton, and Bush Sr. raised taxes. They were able to because Reagan's "voo doo" economics ushered in the greatest peace time expansion of the economy in history. What Clinton did was take advantage of that and give us "free" trade screwing the working man today. Clinton was the worse.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Demand for goods and services creates jobs. Period.

Owning a business is a job. No demand for goods and services.......no jobs.

You, are honestly a stupid human being.

Yeah? Show me the light, genius boy.

I guess they think companies hire people to stand around, simply because they've gotten a tax break.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Facts not in evidence.

Yeah, there is no evidence in reality.

Two largest tax increases in the history of this nation occurred under Bush Sr and Bill Clinton and that was followed by 20 million new jobs being created.

The massive tax cuts under Bush Jr resulted in a net zero job creation. Even when you factor out the economic collapse there is zero evidence that tax cuts produced any jobs.

The Truth About The Bush Tax Cuts And Job Growth - Forbes

So the "evidence in reality" is that increasing taxes does NOT harm the economy.

Actually, a recession followed immediately after Bush's tax increase. It seems liberal time horizons on the their post hoc fallacies are infinitely malleable. According to liberal theory, a tax increase can cause economic growth 6 months after it is imposed or 60 years after it is imposed.

So how is that the country came out of that recession with those tax increases in place and the expansion took off even after Clinton increased taxes even more?

How is that possible?

How was the recession of 2007 possible with all of GW Bush's tax cuts in place?

Liberals are so damn funny. You better tell franco he is full of it in post 207 because he is saying exactly the opposite of what you are saying. Yes, both Reagan and Clinton, and Bush Sr. raised taxes. They were able to because Reagan's "voo doo" economics ushered in the greatest peace time expansion of the economy in history. What Clinton did was take advantage of that and give us "free" trade screwing the working man today. Clinton was the worse.

worst bad......worse.....worst

Clinton indeed fucked up by "giving us" free trade agreements. Wouldn't it be cool if you could say that you disagreed with him when he did?

The rest of your post...regarding the greatness of Reagan...is nutter fantasy. But....I think you know that.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Our largest growth period was in the 50's and 60's when taxes were much higher.

Yeah, and Europe's and Japan's infrastructure was all blown to shit due to the war, so the U.S. was about the only nation building anything.

I always laugh every time a Marxist brings up the 50s as proof that high tax rates help the economy. You're basically admitting you don't know shit about economics.

I doubt you don't even know what a Marxist is.

Regardless of Europe's economy, the 50's certainly does demonstrate that you can have prosperity without coddling the rich. The top bracket paid more in taxes, and taxes on corporate profits were twice what they are today. We also had an empowered workforce.

It is a fact that the degree of income inequality in this country is unhealthy for our economy. You can look to the 1920's as evidence, leading up to the Great Depression.

Fortune magazine published an essay about "how the top executives lived," in 1955, which compared their lifestyles to those in the 1920's. The top 0.01 percent of Americans incomes were half of what they were in the 20's, when all the money was going to the top.

How top executives live Fortune 1955 - Fortune

Now, where's your evidence that tax cuts create jobs? I'm looking forward to seeing what you've got. So far you've got nothing.

Oh gawd just shut the stupidity off PLZZZ!

There is so much more to the subject of how the rich of today are more rich than in the passed. It's not like greed was invented 15 years ago. The Government of the 1950's was not handing out trillions to (dun dun dun) the rich and calling it stimulus like they are doing today... under Mr. Anti rich Obama himself.

And taxes were not high in the mother ******* 50's and 60's.... not,,,,...,,,.,., after.,.,./,;l,;kl;p deductrions..,;.,.,.<~><><!><~><.`,~ It's almost impossible to believe your position still lives on, it's like you try and kill intelligent debate in hopes that it will make you sound like you know something.

"How the rich of today are more rich than in the passed?"

I'm sorry, I don't debate blabber.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Demand for goods and services creates jobs. Period.

Owning a business is a job. No demand for goods and services.......no jobs.

You, are honestly a stupid human being.

Yeah? Show me the light, genius boy.

I guess they think companies hire people to stand around, simply because they've gotten a tax break.

Absolutely. Companies love to hire people. They always seek to have the maximum number of employees at any given time. Everyone knows that.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Demand for goods and services creates jobs. Period.

Owning a business is a job. No demand for goods and services.......no jobs.

Are you really that Dumb?

Don't all countries have these "Consumers" you say drive the economy?

Don't even answer, Beavis