Don t Let Anybody Tell You That Businesses Create Jobs

[Antares]

Classic delineation of the respective views.

I find it humorous that the Left is always so dead set against individual achievement.

 

[depotoo]

Net zero? Really?

Business not only creates jobs, it creates wealth. Government uses some of the wealth to operate. The deeper it digs into the pockets of business the worse the economy gets. Morons blame business.

Facts not in evidence.

Yeah, there is no evidence in reality.

Two largest tax increases in the history of this nation occurred under Bush Sr and Bill Clinton and that was followed by 20 million new jobs being created.

The massive tax cuts under Bush Jr resulted in a net zero job creation. Even when you factor out the economic collapse there is zero evidence that tax cuts produced any jobs.

The Truth About The Bush Tax Cuts And Job Growth - Forbes

So the "evidence in reality" is that increasing taxes does NOT harm the economy.

Business not only creates jobs, it creates wealth. Government uses some of the wealth to operate. The deeper it digs into the pockets of business the worse the economy gets. Morons blame business.

Facts not in evidence.

Yeah, there is no evidence in reality.

Two largest tax increases in the history of this nation occurred under Bush Sr and Bill Clinton and that was followed by 20 million new jobs being created.

The massive tax cuts under Bush Jr resulted in a net zero job creation. Even when you factor out the economic collapse there is zero evidence that tax cuts produced any jobs.

The Truth About The Bush Tax Cuts And Job Growth - Forbes

So the "evidence in reality" is that increasing taxes does NOT harm the economy.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Our largest growth period was in the 50's and 60's when taxes were much higher.

Yeah, and Europe's and Japan's infrastructure was all blown to shit due to the war, so the U.S. was about the only nation building anything.

I always laugh every time a Marxist brings up the 50s as proof that high tax rates help the economy. You're basically admitting you don't know shit about economics.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

"
Appearing at a Boston rally for Democrat gubernatorial candidate Martha Coakley on Friday, Hillary Clinton told the crowd gathered at the Park Plaza Hotel not to listen to anybody who says that “businesses create jobs.”

Hillary Don t Let Anybody Tell You That Businesses Create Jobs

....and you Lefty pusillanimous puss pockets will lap this right up.

ROFLMNAO!

Deceit, FRAUD and Ignorance: The Fundamental Elements of Socialism.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

She also said this: “You know that old theory, ‘trickle-down economics,’” she continued. “That has been tried, that has failed. It has failed rather spectacularly.”

She is probably charging 1/4 million to babble on. My gosh she is dated Reagan was 30 years ago. Don't dried up old bags have something new to run on?

LOL! Yep... and of course that 'capitalism' has never failed, anywhere... means nothing to those who claim that it's never found success anywhere.

 

[Iceweasel]

You cannot get the kind of revenue that you need simply from closing loopholes without taxing the hell out of the middle class.

Wrong. How many times must it be explained. And the revenue we need isn't the same thing as the revenue they want.

 

[francoHFW]

Reagan may have been 30 years ago, but his tax rates and policies are still in effect....taxes too low on the bloated rich and giant corps, too high on everyone else, as payroll taxes, state and local taxes and fees have risen to try and make up for too low federal taxes. Defended to the death by greedy idiot Pubs and silly hater dupes.

 

[bripat9643]

This idea that a businessman can create jobs without demand for his product or service is like a belief in creationism. It is just weird.

What was the demand for the iPhone before Steve Jobs invented it?

 

[LoneLaugher]

This idea that a businessman can create jobs without demand for his product or service is like a belief in creationism. It is just weird.

What was the demand for the iPhone before Steve Jobs invented it?

Oh my gosh! That's such an original and impenetrable argument....that I think I.........I...........mmmmm........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

 

[bripat9643]

Business not only creates jobs, it creates wealth. Government uses some of the wealth to operate. The deeper it digs into the pockets of business the worse the economy gets. Morons blame business.

Facts not in evidence.

Yeah, there is no evidence in reality.

Two largest tax increases in the history of this nation occurred under Bush Sr and Bill Clinton and that was followed by 20 million new jobs being created.

The massive tax cuts under Bush Jr resulted in a net zero job creation. Even when you factor out the economic collapse there is zero evidence that tax cuts produced any jobs.

The Truth About The Bush Tax Cuts And Job Growth - Forbes

So the "evidence in reality" is that increasing taxes does NOT harm the economy.

Actually, a recession followed immediately after Bush's tax increase. It seems liberal time horizons on the their post hoc fallacies are infinitely malleable. According to liberal theory, a tax increase can cause economic growth 6 months after it is imposed or 60 years after it is imposed.

 

[bripat9643]

This idea that a businessman can create jobs without demand for his product or service is like a belief in creationism. It is just weird.

What was the demand for the iPhone before Steve Jobs invented it?

Oh my gosh! That's such an original and impenetrable argument....that I think I.........I...........mmmmm........zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

In other words, your theory is pure shit.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Demand for goods and services is what creates jobs. Businesses don't add jobs without that.

was there a demand for Iphones before Steve Jobs invented them? Was there a demand for windows before Bill Gates invented it? Would the government have invented either of those things?

Jobs are created by risk takers, inventers, and innovators. Not governments. And yes, some of those people get rich and pay huge amounts of taxes to the government----how awful.

This idea that a businessman can create jobs without demand for his product or service is like a belief in creationism. It is just weird.

What was the demand for the iPhone before Steve Jobs invented it?

The demand was massive. People lined up to buy the first one.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Business not only creates jobs, it creates wealth. Government uses some of the wealth to operate. The deeper it digs into the pockets of business the worse the economy gets. Morons blame business.

Facts not in evidence.

Yeah, there is no evidence in reality.

Two largest tax increases in the history of this nation occurred under Bush Sr and Bill Clinton and that was followed by 20 million new jobs being created.

The massive tax cuts under Bush Jr resulted in a net zero job creation. Even when you factor out the economic collapse there is zero evidence that tax cuts produced any jobs.

The Truth About The Bush Tax Cuts And Job Growth - Forbes

So the "evidence in reality" is that increasing taxes does NOT harm the economy.

Actually, a recession followed immediately after Bush's tax increase. It seems liberal time horizons on the their post hoc fallacies are infinitely malleable. According to liberal theory, a tax increase can cause economic growth 6 months after it is imposed or 60 years after it is imposed.

So how is that the country came out of that recession with those tax increases in place and the expansion took off even after Clinton increased taxes even more?

How is that possible?

How was the recession of 2007 possible with all of GW Bush's tax cuts in place?

 

[NYcarbineer]

Our largest growth period was in the 50's and 60's when taxes were much higher.

Yeah, and Europe's and Japan's infrastructure was all blown to shit due to the war, so the U.S. was about the only nation building anything.

I always laugh every time a Marxist brings up the 50s as proof that high tax rates help the economy. You're basically admitting you don't know shit about economics.

Of course there's the Clinton tax increase that did not inhibit growth and was followed by a balanced budget.

 

[bripat9643]

Demand for goods and services is what creates jobs. Businesses don't add jobs without that.

was there a demand for Iphones before Steve Jobs invented them? Was there a demand for windows before Bill Gates invented it? Would the government have invented either of those things?

Jobs are created by risk takers, inventers, and innovators. Not governments. And yes, some of those people get rich and pay huge amounts of taxes to the government----how awful.

This idea that a businessman can create jobs without demand for his product or service is like a belief in creationism. It is just weird.

What was the demand for the iPhone before Steve Jobs invented it?

The demand was massive. People lined up to buy the first one.

No, that was after the iPhone was invented. Before it was invented the demand was zero.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Demand for goods and services is what creates jobs. Businesses don't add jobs without that.

was there a demand for Iphones before Steve Jobs invented them? Was there a demand for windows before Bill Gates invented it? Would the government have invented either of those things?

Jobs are created by risk takers, inventers, and innovators. Not governments. And yes, some of those people get rich and pay huge amounts of taxes to the government----how awful.

This idea that a businessman can create jobs without demand for his product or service is like a belief in creationism. It is just weird.

What was the demand for the iPhone before Steve Jobs invented it?

The demand was massive. People lined up to buy the first one.

No, that was after the iPhone was invented. Before it was invented the demand was zero.

Damn! You have really thought this through! The depth!

 

[Yarddog]

"
Appearing at a Boston rally for Democrat gubernatorial candidate Martha Coakley on Friday, Hillary Clinton told the crowd gathered at the Park Plaza Hotel not to listen to anybody who says that “businesses create jobs.”

Hillary Don t Let Anybody Tell You That Businesses Create Jobs

....and you Lefty pusillanimous puss pockets will lap this right up.

I seriously how no one believes her. How do these people end up ad our representatives? Gee, I wonder if she has ever received political contributions from a business before? What a complete liar.

So by her logic a decrease in businesses might create more jobs

 

[NYcarbineer]

Demand for goods and services is what creates jobs. Businesses don't add jobs without that.

was there a demand for Iphones before Steve Jobs invented them? Was there a demand for windows before Bill Gates invented it? Would the government have invented either of those things?

Jobs are created by risk takers, inventers, and innovators. Not governments. And yes, some of those people get rich and pay huge amounts of taxes to the government----how awful.

This idea that a businessman can create jobs without demand for his product or service is like a belief in creationism. It is just weird.

What was the demand for the iPhone before Steve Jobs invented it?

The demand was massive. People lined up to buy the first one.

No, that was after the iPhone was invented. Before it was invented the demand was zero.

That's not true at all. Better cellphones with more capabilities and features have always been in demand ever since there have been cellphones.

New Coke, on the other hand...

lol

 

[kiwiman127]

If you REALLY want to create jobs...then the way to do it is to entice those with capital to invest it in search of anticipated profit.

You seem to be missing the fact that US businesses are profiting quite nicely, yet they are shipping jobs offshore and holding down wages. Even when the Capital Gains and Dividend taxes were reduced, they just kept on doing the same thing, hire offshore and kept wages flat and that hurts the US economy as demonstrated by how fragile our economy has been the last decade.
See Post 188.

Should it surprise anyone that multi-national corporations are choosing to build factories in other places than the US? The United States is not a business friendly nation like it used to be. We are over taxed...we are over regulated...we have higher labor costs and now liberals are doing their best to drastically increase the cost of energy in the US. Quite simply...why would you choose the US over other places?

You can also see a pronounced drop off in entrepreneurial start-ups over the past thirty years BECAUSE of the same issues as above. If you don't have people doing start-ups, then you aren't going to see a vibrant Middle Class.

Now I can agree with most of what you posted.
Yes, labor is cheaper offshore in specific countries. But in the US, people can't live on what they pay their labor in Third World countries. As I posted earlier, the labor force in the US have seen flat wage growth for over three decades. That's a fact. How much more must they suffer? With our economy driven 70% by consumer spending, how long can the largest segment of the capitalistic economy (the working class/Middle Class) keep contributing to this country's economy?
Yes, the US does have the highest corporate taxes in the world. The US also offers a ton of tax loopholes that other countries don't offer. With the loopholes, it's rare for companies to pay the going rate and the taxes drop somewhere in the middle of worldwide tax rates, after loopholes. I'm all for lowering corporate rates if closing loopholes are part of the deal.
We do have quite a high percentage of our corporations paying no income taxes because they hire the best accounting firms their money can buy.
"Entrepreneurial start-ups" have decreased which correlates with the high percentage of start ups failing in short order. It's very tough out there for enterprising start-ups. Banks haven't been as open to the idea of helping start ups as they used to be.
Here's an interesting article explaining to why.
Why Small-Business Lending Is Not Recovering
Why Small-Business Lending Is Not Recovering mdash HBS Working Knowledge
The Great Recession killed off many small businesses and larger companies moved in to pick up the scraps and trade area. In other words, Entrepreneurial start-ups face tougher competition than those who preceded them and a high percentage of them failed anyway. That probably has a lot to do with the declining state of upward mobility in the US.
Yeah, we have a lot of problems in the US and a lot of this may be caused by government but also the private sector bears responsibility too.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Demand for goods and services is what creates jobs. Businesses don't add jobs without that.

was there a demand for Iphones before Steve Jobs invented them? Was there a demand for windows before Bill Gates invented it? Would the government have invented either of those things?

Jobs are created by risk takers, inventers, and innovators. Not governments. And yes, some of those people get rich and pay huge amounts of taxes to the government----how awful.

This idea that a businessman can create jobs without demand for his product or service is like a belief in creationism. It is just weird.

What was the demand for the iPhone before Steve Jobs invented it?

The demand was massive. People lined up to buy the first one.

No, that was after the iPhone was invented. Before it was invented the demand was zero.

You might want to shut up for 10 minutes and read up on the history of the smartphone:

Smartphone - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia