Don t Let Anybody Tell You That Businesses Create Jobs

[Antares]

Classic delineation of the respective views.

I find it humorous that the Left is always so dead set against individual achievement.

That's complete bullshit. The Left is not dead set against individual achievement.

Of course they are as this thread clearly demonstrates.

 

[TooTall]

Our largest growth period was in the 50's and 60's when taxes were much higher.

Retread argument #5,456. We had no competition then since Europe and Japan were a mess and no one payed those high rates due to loopholes. Closing loopholes and lowering the rates brought in more revenue. Libs can't learn from history and have to lie about it to further their agenda.

You cannot get the kind of revenue that you need simply from closing loopholes without taxing the hell out of the middle class.

True, so you reduce the need for more revenue by doing away with wasteful, duplicate and needless government programs.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Classic delineation of the respective views.

I find it humorous that the Left is always so dead set against individual achievement.

That's complete bullshit. The Left is not dead set against individual achievement.

Of course they are as this thread clearly demonstrates.

Alright, I'll let you get back to playing with your straw-man.

 

[Carla_Danger]

Our largest growth period was in the 50's and 60's when taxes were much higher.

Retread argument #5,456. We had no competition then since Europe and Japan were a mess and no one payed those high rates due to loopholes. Closing loopholes and lowering the rates brought in more revenue. Libs can't learn from history and have to lie about it to further their agenda.

You cannot get the kind of revenue that you need simply from closing loopholes without taxing the hell out of the middle class.

True, so you reduce the need for more revenue by doing away with wasteful, duplicate and needless government programs.

Like our welfare for weapons program?

 

[TooTall]

What actually created jobs during the Clinton Administration?

We had two of the LARGEST TAX INCREASES in history. Spending on the military was being slashed and bases were being closed down. The government (ARPA) created Internet took off and the government was hiring thousands of new cops and teachers.

Tax increases, government investment, reduction in military spending and public sector hiring all contributed to 20 million new jobs.

Compare that to businesses outsourcing millions of jobs overseas because of Republican failed "free markets" dogma, massive taxcuts for the highest earners and illegal warmongering that have cost this nation trillions of taxpayer dollars.

Which scenario is better for We the People?

And then the dot com bubble busted and Bush spent 8 years blaming Clinton.

Actually it was the Republican Contract On America bubble that burst.

This was the basics of the Contract with America and nothing in it had a damned thing to do with the Dot com bubble.

1. require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply to Congress;
2. select a major, independent auditing firm to conduct a comprehensive audit of Congress for waste, fraud or abuse;
3. cut the number of House committees, and cut committee staff by one-third;
4. limit the terms of all committee chairs;
5. ban the casting of proxy votes in committee;
6. require committee meetings to be open to the public;
7. require a three-fifths majority vote to pass a tax increase;
8. guarantee an honest accounting of the Federal Budget by implementing zero base-line budgeting.

 

[TooTall]

Our largest growth period was in the 50's and 60's when taxes were much higher.

Retread argument #5,456. We had no competition then since Europe and Japan were a mess and no one payed those high rates due to loopholes. Closing loopholes and lowering the rates brought in more revenue. Libs can't learn from history and have to lie about it to further their agenda.

You cannot get the kind of revenue that you need simply from closing loopholes without taxing the hell out of the middle class.

True, so you reduce the need for more revenue by doing away with wasteful, duplicate and needless government programs.

Like our welfare for weapons program?

There most certainly is waste in the Defense Department and should be eliminated when it is found. Of course national defense is the number one priority of the government. Got any more smart ass suggestions?

 

[TooTall]

...Absolutely amazing!! And you still employ these businesses knowing they are illegals...

When you've tried several service providers over the course of several years, and see the same thing with all of them, you come to understand that that is the norm.

...Aren't you ashamed?...

Nope. The produce you eat and the meat you consume are almost certainly harvested and prepared by Illegal Aliens. If you're not, I'm not.

...Of course you know they were here illegally because you asked them didn't you...

When a day-labor minivan drops-off the temp help for your job in front of your house - any of a dozen or more local agencies known for hiring Illegals - you know, with a high probability of being right. When your local fast-food joints are raided for Illegals once or more each year, you know, with a high degree of probability. Let's not quibble.

...That is, unless you consider anyone that is obviously Hispanic is here illegally. Of course that would make you a bigot and probably wrong more often than you were right...

Cheap shot, and entirely untrue; I would have offered no such insult to you. Oh, well, your choice, and I'll live. I have been refraining mightily from calling you an arrogant ass, but, sadly, I have been pushed into abandoning that struggle.

...The discussion was about BIG business...

The overall discussion is the one that I was playing to, and the overall discussion focuses upon business, of any and all sizes.

By the way, you DO understand that small business - when you combine their payrolls - account for FAR more warm bodies on the payroll than the Big Boys do, right?

If not, you should probably do a little more research on such demographics.

...Plumbers and lawn service companies don't advertise in Mexico...

Correct. But they DO hire Illegals once they get here. By the bushel-basket full. And the folks south of the border know this, and it is part of what motivates them to come here.

...and as long as Obama openly encourages them to come here and does not enforce the laws effectively on businesses, large and small, there will continue to be illegals an influx of illegal.

Yep.

The same can be said of Shrub.

And Bubba.

And Papa Bush.

And Ronnie Raygun.

And Jimmah Abdul Carter.

And Gerry Ford.

And Tricky Dick.

And LBJ.

And Jack Kennedy.

The last guy that did anything serious in the fight against Illegal Immigration was Eisenhower.

Long ago, in a galaxy far, far away.

Both political parties are full of shit clean up to their ears, on the subject of fighting Illegal Immigration - both parties.

And their partners in crime - business - big and small.

I suggest that you would be much happier in a Communist country where the government owns the means of production, there is no such thing as big or small businesses and illegal entries are shot or put in slave labor camps. When are you leaving?

 

[Antares]

Classic delineation of the respective views.

I find it humorous that the Left is always so dead set against individual achievement.

That's complete bullshit. The Left is not dead set against individual achievement.

Of course they are as this thread clearly demonstrates.

Alright, I'll let you get back to playing with your straw-man.

You don't seem to read well are you illiterate?

 

[LoneLaugher]

Demand for goods and services creates jobs. Period.

Owning a business is a job. No demand for goods and services.......no jobs.

Are you really that Dumb?

Don't all countries have these "Consumers" you say drive the economy?

Don't even answer, Beavis

Oh...I see. You think having people is the same thing as having demand. That's a simple mistake that a simple person would make. You are forgiven.

 

[bripat9643]

Demand for goods and services is what creates jobs. Businesses don't add jobs without that.

was there a demand for Iphones before Steve Jobs invented them? Was there a demand for windows before Bill Gates invented it? Would the government have invented either of those things?

Jobs are created by risk takers, inventers, and innovators. Not governments. And yes, some of those people get rich and pay huge amounts of taxes to the government----how awful.

This idea that a businessman can create jobs without demand for his product or service is like a belief in creationism. It is just weird.

What was the demand for the iPhone before Steve Jobs invented it?

The demand was massive. People lined up to buy the first one.

No, that was after the iPhone was invented. Before it was invented the demand was zero.

Damn! You have really thought this through! The depth!

You obviously haven't thought it through. You're only proving that you're a moron.

 

[bripat9643]

Demand for goods and services creates jobs. Period.

Owning a business is a job. No demand for goods and services.......no jobs.

Are you really that Dumb?

Don't all countries have these "Consumers" you say drive the economy?

Don't even answer, Beavis

Oh...I see. You think having people is the same thing as having demand. That's a simple mistake that a simple person would make. You are forgiven.

Then explain how "demand," as you define it, comes into existence.

 

[bripat9643]

Our largest growth period was in the 50's and 60's when taxes were much higher.

Yeah, and Europe's and Japan's infrastructure was all blown to shit due to the war, so the U.S. was about the only nation building anything.

I always laugh every time a Marxist brings up the 50s as proof that high tax rates help the economy. You're basically admitting you don't know shit about economics.

I doubt you don't even know what a Marxist is.

Regardless of Europe's economy, the 50's certainly does demonstrate that you can have prosperity without coddling the rich. The top bracket paid more in taxes, and taxes on corporate profits were twice what they are today. We also had an empowered workforce.

It is a fact that the degree of income inequality in this country is unhealthy for our economy. You can look to the 1920's as evidence, leading up to the Great Depression.

Fortune magazine published an essay about "how the top executives lived," in 1955, which compared their lifestyles to those in the 1920's. The top 0.01 percent of Americans incomes were half of what they were in the 20's, when all the money was going to the top.

How top executives live Fortune 1955 - Fortune

Now, where's your evidence that tax cuts create jobs? I'm looking forward to seeing what you've got. So far you've got nothing.

Oh gawd just shut the stupidity off PLZZZ!

There is so much more to the subject of how the rich of today are more rich than in the passed. It's not like greed was invented 15 years ago. The Government of the 1950's was not handing out trillions to (dun dun dun) the rich and calling it stimulus like they are doing today... under Mr. Anti rich Obama himself.

And taxes were not high in the mother ******* 50's and 60's.... not,,,,...,,,.,., after.,.,./,;l,;kl;p deductrions..,;.,.,.<~><><!><~><.`,~ It's almost impossible to believe your position still lives on, it's like you try and kill intelligent debate in hopes that it will make you sound like you know something.

"How the rich of today are more rich than in the passed?"

I'm sorry, I don't debate blabber.

No, but you spew it constantly.

 

[TooTall]

Net zero? Really?

Business not only creates jobs, it creates wealth. Government uses some of the wealth to operate. The deeper it digs into the pockets of business the worse the economy gets. Morons blame business.

Facts not in evidence.

Yeah, there is no evidence in reality.

Two largest tax increases in the history of this nation occurred under Bush Sr and Bill Clinton and that was followed by 20 million new jobs being created.

The massive tax cuts under Bush Jr resulted in a net zero job creation. Even when you factor out the economic collapse there is zero evidence that tax cuts produced any jobs.

The Truth About The Bush Tax Cuts And Job Growth - Forbes

So the "evidence in reality" is that increasing taxes does NOT harm the economy.

Business not only creates jobs, it creates wealth. Government uses some of the wealth to operate. The deeper it digs into the pockets of business the worse the economy gets. Morons blame business.

Facts not in evidence.

Yeah, there is no evidence in reality.

Two largest tax increases in the history of this nation occurred under Bush Sr and Bill Clinton and that was followed by 20 million new jobs being created.

The massive tax cuts under Bush Jr resulted in a net zero job creation. Even when you factor out the economic collapse there is zero evidence that tax cuts produced any jobs.

The Truth About The Bush Tax Cuts And Job Growth - Forbes

So the "evidence in reality" is that increasing taxes does NOT harm the economy.

Yes, the massive job losses following the Republican economic collapse of 2008 essentially wiped out any gains in jobs during the Bush jr administration. The Forbes article deliberately excluded that period in order to make their point about tax cuts not doing squat to "create jobs".

Interesting that you couldn't refute a single fact provided in the article. That is a tacit admission that you were lying when you alleged that increasing taxes would harm the economy.

The Democrats controlled the House in 2007 and 2008.

 

[Kondor3]

...I suggest that you would be much happier in a Communist country where the government owns the means of production, there is no such thing as big or small businesses and illegal entries are shot or put in slave labor camps. When are you leaving?

Somebody pee in your Cheerios this morning? I think that Communism is a marvelous idea, on paper. I also think that Communism is an abortion in the Real World. It's one of the reasons why I spent time across the border from the Soviets and East Germans, while wearing a green suit for Sammy. I vote Pub as often as I vote Dem.

Nice try.

Not.

My sin here is violating the Standard Pub Song Book's maxim that Business does not encourage Illegal Immigration.

It does - believe it or not - like it or not - and we cannot put an end to a thing (Illegal Immigration) if we delude ourselves about its contributing factors.

Don't confuse a difference of opinion on a handful of issues (like this one) with a Polar Opposite state of affairs, or indications of such a state.

The world is not black and white. It's absolute filled with grey areas, where folks who agree on some things will end-up differing on others, yes?

Peace.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Demand for goods and services creates jobs. Period.

Owning a business is a job. No demand for goods and services.......no jobs.

Are you really that Dumb?

Don't all countries have these "Consumers" you say drive the economy?

Don't even answer, Beavis

Oh...I see. You think having people is the same thing as having demand. That's a simple mistake that a simple person would make. You are forgiven.

I thought demand drove the economy. Are your imaginary people not so demanding?

 

[TheGreatGatsby]

I guess we should all line up for our government job, then.

 

[Papageorgio]

Why should I buy from you and not your competitor?

If you don't need what I'm selling...or can't afford what I'm selling....you won't buy it from me or anyone else. It is simple.

Wasn't the question LL and you know it.

Your question isn't related to the thread subject.

You want to discuss marketing or pricing policy or customer service or location or best practices......none of it matters if there are no people with money in their pocket who want what you are selling.

Demand. It's what matters.

So who creates the demand?

I'll bet if you think about it for a minute....you'll come up with the answer on your own.

This is basic stuff. It's not even slightly complicated.

Didn't say it was complicated, I think it is very basic, but by your posts, I think you are clueless.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Lots of brilliant people here. Not one of them seems to know what demand is. It is frustrating them.....and making them surly.

 

[TooTall]

...I suggest that you would be much happier in a Communist country where the government owns the means of production, there is no such thing as big or small businesses and illegal entries are shot or put in slave labor camps. When are you leaving?

Somebody pee in your Cheerios this morning? I think that Communism is a marvelous idea, on paper. I also think that Communism is an abortion in the Real World. It's one of the reasons why I spent time across the border from the Soviets and East Germans, while wearing a green suit for Sammy. I vote Pub as often as I vote Dem.

Nice try.

Not.

My sin here is violating the Standard Pub Song Book's maxim that Business does not encourage Illegal Immigration.

It does - believe it or not - like it or not - and we cannot put an end to a thing (Illegal Immigration) if we delude ourselves about its contributing factors.

Don't confuse a difference of opinion on a handful of issues (like this one) with a Polar Opposite state of affairs, or indications of such a state.

The world is not black and white. It's absolute filled with grey areas, where folks who agree on some things will end-up differing on others, yes?

Peace.

Peace! Of course, and I also vote Dem and Pub at times. I have traveled to 28 foreign countries and 47 of the 50 states on business trips as well as vacations, but never to a Communist country. You are very bright person and I apologize for some of the insults I threw out there. We will continue to agree to disagree at times as the saying goes.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Lots of brilliant people here. Not one of them seems to know what demand is. It is frustrating them.....and making them surly.

You parrot back whatever is fed into the Prog Collective no matter how stupid.

It's amusing.

Tell us again about these demanding, or not so demanding consumers.