DOGE team, Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy, ignore dealing with largest government waste: an ever-increasing national debt.

[struth]

There was a global crisis then. There isn’t now.

True the xiden admin was a global crisis.

But the debt ceiling is still suspended

 

[johnwk]

That would be nice and all but it's not what they are tasked to do, nor is it within their scope.

Is it not a fact the DOGE team is appointed to recommend to President Trump and Congress how to squeeze out unnecessary spending and needless federal government agencies?

If that be true, and I hope that is the objective, is it not also true the most effective advice the DOGE team can give to Trump to encourage Congress to cut unnecessary spending and needless federal government agencies would be to suggest requiring any borrowing by Congress to fund federal spending and government agencies during the course of a fiscal year, must be immediately paid off the following year by laying and collecting a direct apportioned tax among the states for the amount borrowed, the proceeds of which go to extinguishing that debt, at which time a shocking moment of real accountability is created, and particular so when the people of each state and their State Legislature and Governor, quickly learn, there is no free lunch coming from Washington?

 

[kyzr]

Trump is stupid when it comes to government, politics or history,
He wants to spend lots of “an executive time” watching Fox and reading X. Which is what he did for most of the first four years.
he likes the trappings of being President, but he refuses to take any of the responsibility.
He just lost a battle to get Congress to allow him to borrow and spend without consequence.
That should have made it clear that Trump does not care about debt or deficits. He clearly didn’t during his last term. And he doesn’t now.
But if you’re looking for dumb, consider all the suckers that actually believe that Trump, Musk and the imaginary DOGE care about debt at all.

1. You are preaching to the choir. I was pissed in 1984 when congress ignored the Grace Commission recommendations.

2. Trump is not detail oriented, but he is far from stupid. He is also far from being "presidential", but his 1st press conference was a pleasant surprise. Maybe he is teachable? The 1st 4-years was a learning experience. This time is different, hope its for the better.

3. Trump takes responsibility with every Exec Order he signs. I just hope he doesn't order an invasion of Panama or Cuba.

4. True, Mike could not get a consensus to remove the Debt Limit. Score a win for the good guys. Guardrails make presidents better.

5. Sure Trump wants to keep Biden's punch-bowl flowing, that is good politics for the mid-terms. Deficits are bad, unless you're the president and want to spend and spend. Elon and Vivek need to give Trump spending cuts for his priorities.

6. How or if Elon and Vivek can cut $2T from the budget remains to be seen. The Freedom Caucus, Chip Roy and the 30 deficit hawks, will not go along with reckless spending. So its not dumb to believe that Trump will have tough GOP budget cutters to contend with.

 

[johnwk]

RUBBISH. I reiterate--- the DOGE hasn't even begun operating yet as Trump IS NOT IN OFFICE! Give these people a CHANCE please before you start ripping on them. Look at the recent spending bill: they got a 1500 page bill trimmed down to 150 pages! The FIRST STEP in addressing national debt is to CURB SPENDING on unnecessary things and that is already the influence they have had not even in office yet. Give them a year to at least get their feet in the door first before you expect a miracle overnight.

I have followed, as best I can, what these two have stated since appointed by Trump to head DOGE. Not once have I heard them identify the root cause allowing our national debt to be increased year after year and offering a remedy to address that root cause.

Don't jump on me because I react to and comment on actual facts.

 

[toobfreak]

Not once have I heard them identify the root cause allowing our national debt to be increased year after year and offering a remedy to address that root cause.

Then write them a letter. Better still, wait for them to actually get in office for a day before you start bitching about them.

 

[1srelluc]

Is it not a fact the DOGE team is appointed to recommend to President Trump and Congress how to squeeze out unnecessary spending and needless federal government agencies?

If that be true, and I hope that is the objective, is it not also true the most effective advice the DOGE team can give to Trump to encourage Congress to cut unnecessary spending and needless federal government agencies would be to suggest requiring any borrowing by Congress to fund federal spending and government agencies during the course of a fiscal year, must be immediately paid off the following year by laying and collecting a direct apportioned tax among the states for the amount borrowed, the proceeds of which go to extinguishing that debt, at which time a shocking moment of real accountability is created, and particular so when the people of each state and their State Legislature and Governor, quickly learn, there is no free lunch coming from Washington?

Dude...Why bitch at me?

Contact those that can make a difference like Musk, Viv, and your congress critters.....Good luck.

 

[johnwk]

Dude...Why bitch at me?

Contact those that can make a difference like Musk, Viv, and your congress critters.....Good luck.

I'm not bitching at you. But I am commenting based on facts. Aside from that I think, based on your past comments in this forum, that we basically agree on the big picture.

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[marvin martian]

We are now paying over $1 TRILLION to pay interest on the national debt ($36 TRILLION), and that figure will continue to rise unless the DOGE team nails down a way to stop Congress from effectively adding to the national debt which in turn increases money spent to service the national debt.

One way to stop Congress from effectively adding to the national debt is to require Congress to immediately extinguish a current year’s borrowing to fund Congress’s spending, by laying and collecting a direct apportioned tax among the States the following year to pay off the preceding debt caused by borrowing, which effectively stops Congress from adding to the national debt.

I was under the impression Trump has a problem with low IQ people and yet, the DOGE team seems to be unable to focus on the root cause of the national debt increasing year, after year, after year, and the allowance is nothing more than not requiring Congress to extinguish a current year’s deficit caused by borrowing, by laying and collecting a specific tax to pay off the money borrowed and spent the preceding year, and is exactly what our Founders intended as confirmed by various state ratification documents of our Constitution, e.g. see the Ratification of the Constitution by the State of Massachusetts; February 6, 1788:

”Fourthly, That Congress do not lay direct Taxes but when the Monies arising from the Impost & Excise are insufficient for the publick exigencies nor then until Congress shall have first made a requisition upon the States to assess levy & pay their respective proportions of such Requisition agreeably to the Census fixed in the said Constitution; in such way & manner as the Legislature of the States shall think best, & in such case if any State shall neglect or refuse to pay its proportion pursuant to such requisition then Congress may assess & levy such State’s proportion together with interest thereon at the rate of Six per cent per annum from the time of payment prescribed in such requisition…”

So, what’s up with Trump’s premier and much heralded (among so called "conservative" circles) DOGE team picks who seem mentally deficient in being able to focus in on and addressing the real cause of an ever increasing of our national debt, and solving that problem, which our Founders already provided a solution to?

JWK

"In matters of power let no more be heard of confidence in men, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution. ... Thomas Jefferson’s Fair Copy of the Kentucky Resolutions of 1798

You want the constitutional duties of the elected Congress usurped by appointed, unelected people? That's what you're saying.

 

[1srelluc]

I'm not bitching at you. But I am commenting based on facts. Aside from that I think, based on your past comments in this forum, that we basically agree on the big picture.

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Pretty much, but I prefer everything in it's place.

 

[johnwk]

You want the constitutional duties of the elected Congress usurped by appointed, unelected people? That's what you're saying.

Stop making up shit you illiterate moron.

 

[johnwk]

Pretty much, but I prefer everything in it's place.

Look what I just found by accident.

Musk 'terrified' by $36 trillion US national debt

The tech billionaire has promised to slash federal spending in his new role as the U.S. national debt continues to climb to new heights.

www.newsweek.com

 

[TimFitz]

Is it not a fact the DOGE team is appointed to recommend to President Trump and Congress how to squeeze out unnecessary spending and needless federal government agencies?

If that be true, and I hope that is the objective, is it not also true the most effective advice the DOGE team can give to Trump to encourage Congress to cut unnecessary spending and needless federal government agencies would be to suggest requiring any borrowing by Congress to fund federal spending and government agencies during the course of a fiscal year, must be immediately paid off the following year by laying and collecting a direct apportioned tax among the states for the amount borrowed, the proceeds of which go to extinguishing that debt, at which time a shocking moment of real accountability is created, and particular so when the people of each state and their State Legislature and Governor, quickly learn, there is no free lunch coming from Washington?

No, DOGE doesn’t exist.

 

[johnwk]

No, DOGE doesn’t exist.

But it will in 21 days, you nitwit.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Voting out leftism is a great start.

Trump has no interest in lowering debt.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Trump has no interest in lowering debt.

Congress has no interest in lowering debt. Neither do leftists.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Congress has no interest in lowering debt. Neither do leftists.

Or Trump.

 

[Crepitus]

The debt ceiling was suspended by the dem and xiden right when he took office

What’s good for the goose …

Totally not the point, Goobs. I thought you kids want fiscal responsibility?

 

[Crepitus]

Congress has no interest in lowering debt. Neither do leftists.

tRump ran on it.

 

[johnwk]

Trump has no interest in lowering debt.

Are you sure about that? I certainly am not.

 

[struth]

Totally not the point, Goobs. I thought you kids want fiscal responsibility?

Not having to deal with the dems holding the country hostage with the debt ceiling doesn’t mean we can’t cut spending