Zone1 Does your religion follow the Nicene Creed?

[Zincwarrior]

i think most Christian religions do.

And my Catholic religion as well.

Yes, at least our understanding of it.

 

[Zebra]

Yes, at least our understanding of it.

so it is

 

[Carl in Michigan]

dishonest?
no!

I've already told you one reason why
You refused to accept it. Living in your Catholic cult bubble be like that

It's a CATHOLIC loyalty declaration.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

catholic with a small c = universal

forkintheroad7 doesn't believe JWs are part of your 'universal" church. If you're honest, no Catholic does. You only believe they are if they accept all your basic doctrine

 

[ding]

Mormons believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, but they do not consider Him to be God the Father. Instead, they recognize Him as a distinct being within the Godhead, which consists of God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost. This understanding differs significantly from traditional Christian views, which typically hold that God is one essence in three persons. Mormons believe that Jesus Christ was born of a virgin and is central to their faith, providing salvation through His Atonement and resurrection.
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I know and understand what Mormons believe. I just don't agree with it.

 

[Robert W]

I know and understand what Mormons believe. I just don't agree with it.

Maybe you can locate where Jesus said he was in the Trinity.

 

[ding]

Maybe you can locate where Jesus said he was in the Trinity.

I'm not asking you to believe it and I have no desire to justify my beliefs to you.

 

[Woodznutz]

Non Catholics DO NOT BELIEVE THIS

I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church

We do as long as "catholic" isn't capitalized.

 

[Woodznutz]

you are mixing things

the majority of Christians follow the Nicene Creed

Most of the creed is easy to "follow". The exception being the trinity. The is no biblical justification for it.

 

[Woodznutz]

yes, it is the Litmus test

For Catholics.

 

[ding]

Most of the creed is easy to "follow". The exception being the trinity. The is no biblical justification for it.

You mean other than Jesus claiming equality with God? And Jesus sending the Holy Spirit to his disciples?

 

[Woodznutz]

You mean other than Jesus claiming equality with God? And Jesus sending the Holy Spirit to his disciples?

If the church is "apostolic" why didn't the apostles recognize the personhood of the Holy Spirit?

Ya'll can run from this but ya cain't hide.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

We do as long as "catholic" isn't capitalized.

You'll be easy pickings when the time comes
Do you believe in the trinity now?

 

[Robert W]

You mean other than Jesus claiming equality with God? And Jesus sending the Holy Spirit to his disciples?

You told me you were not interested in explaining it.

 

[Woodznutz]

You'll be easy pickings when the time comes
Do you believe in the trinity now?

Nope.

 

[ding]

You told me you were not interested in explaining it.

Not quite. I told you I have no desire to justify my beliefs to you. Which means I'm not going to argue with you about it or try to convince you of it.

 

[ding]

If the church is "apostolic" why didn't the apostles recognize the personhood of the Holy Spirit?

Ya'll can run from this but ya cain't hide.

Sounds like you'd like to make this personal.

After the resurrection the apostles worshiped Jesus as God. That is a historical fact that was noted by non-Christian historians. Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to his disciples. That is the basis of the Trinity. Unless of course you don't believe in the Holy Spirit.

But the most important thing I can share with anyone on this subject. Is that the Trinity is not a mystery to be solved. The Trinity is a relationship to be entered into. I have a relationship with all three but it is the Holy Spirit which guides me.

 

[Woodznutz]

Sounds like you'd like to make this personal.

After the resurrection the apostles worshiped Jesus as God. That is a historical fact that was noted by non-Christian historians. Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to his disciples. That is the basis of the Trinity. Unless of course you don't believe in the Holy Spirit.

But the most important thing I can share with anyone on this subject. Is that the Trinity is not a mystery to be solved. The Trinity is a relationship to be entered into. I have a relationship with all three but it is the Holy Spirit which guides me.

The Holy Spirit guides me as well, but "it" is not a person, it's a spirit.

 

[ding]

The Holy Spirit guides me as well, but "it" is not a person, it's a spirit.

None of them are persons so to speak. There really aren't any words that properly describe their nature. The best I can say is the mutual love between the Father and the Son is the person of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Woodznutz]

None of them are persons so to speak. There really aren't any words that properly describe their nature. The best I can say is the mutual love between the Father and the Son is the person of the Holy Spirit.

The hard evidence is that the apostles didn't recognize the Holy Spirit as a person. That along with other evidence is good enough for me.

It's not a big deal except that there are those who use it as a litmus test for salvation.