Does Yes EVER Mean Yes?

[Spare_change]

Over the weekend, Jessica Bennett, gender editor of The New York Times — yes, that's a real title — wrote a piece titled "When Saying 'Yes' Is Easier Than Saying 'No'."

She argued that in many cases, women say yes to sex but actually don't want to do so: "Sometimes 'yes' means 'no,' simply because it is easier to go through with it than explain our way out of the situation. Sometimes 'no' means 'yes,' because you actually do want to do it, but you know you're not supposed to lest you be labeled a slut.

And if you're a man, that 'no' often means 'just try harder' — because, you know, persuasion is part of the game." Bennett continues by arguing that consent is actually societally defined, that "our idea of what we want — of our own desire — is linked to what we think we're supposed to want."

But Bennett offers no clear solutions to this issue. If it's true that women say yes but mean no, are men supposed to read minds? If a woman says no but a man seduces her until she says yes, is the initial no supposed to take precedence over the final yes?

Does Yes Ever Mean Yes?
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Seems like a fair question to me ... and one that's in every man's mind.

 

[Marion Morrison]

"Yes, but hurry up!" Still means yes, amirite?

 

[ScienceRocks]

Female Fascism and sexist witch

 

[Compost]

Surely feminism is a monumental failure if a woman says "yes" when she means "no" just to be nice. The answer is for women to stop talking about how equal they are and to go ahead and act like an equal. They can still be nice. Instead of "no", they can say, "no thank you".

 

[Circe]

No, I don't want to do that.

She's right, that does happen --- okay, because you have these damn NEEDS! Men sure are a lot of trouble.

But it's no good to do that. Not when we aren't married and don't much like the guy, even. Just say no. And leave. Walk away so he can't persuade (grab) us.

 

[BulletProof]

If we shoot all the Feminists, we won't have to deal with all this stupid witch-hunting for sexists.

Sometimes a woman means no, but says yes because it's easier? It's inconceivable that saying "yes" is easier, given the commitment that is part of "yes". And, it's all the easier to say "no" to someone who objects to "no."

 

[ScienceRocks]

If they take their pants off and don't say anything it is yes. If they change their mind later that is too fucking bad.

Fuck em.

 

[BreezeWood]

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in some cases the gal is the aggressor, not often is no in the man's vocabulary .... safeguards against pregnancy are an equalizer for both sexes.

 

[007]

I wonder how many women are going to be HIRED now for fear that the fist time a subordinate says "they look nice," and they get hit with SEXUAL HARASSMENT.

Sometimes you can really shoot yourself in the foot.

How many women have already FUCKED THEIR WAY TO THE TOP? And don't tell me they didn't. There's so many women out there that have done that it's PATHETIC. And now they have a NEW ANGLE... gee... fucking that fat slob to get the job DIDN'T WORK, so now I get to be a 'METO' ho and SAY HE ASSAULTED ME.

This won't end well for most women.

 

[waltky]

Uncle Ferd says, "Sometimes it does...

... an' sometimes it don't...

... ya just never know...

... what a woman's is thinkin'...

... it usually depends on...

... how much money dey can make...

... if dey hit ya with a sexy harassment lawsuit."

 

[Correll]

If they take their pants off and don't say anything it is yes. If they change their mind later that is too fucking bad.

Fuck em.

THe Liberal mobs disagrees. They will throw you to the howling mob, just to keep their blood lust raging.


YOu, or some other innocent male. Have you ever discussed this shit with circe?


She is what people talk about when they talk about the bad feminists.


A true man hater.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Over the weekend, Jessica Bennett, gender editor of The New York Times — yes, that's a real title — wrote a piece titled "When Saying 'Yes' Is Easier Than Saying 'No'."

She argued that in many cases, women say yes to sex but actually don't want to do so: "Sometimes 'yes' means 'no,' simply because it is easier to go through with it than explain our way out of the situation. Sometimes 'no' means 'yes,' because you actually do want to do it, but you know you're not supposed to lest you be labeled a slut.

And if you're a man, that 'no' often means 'just try harder' — because, you know, persuasion is part of the game." Bennett continues by arguing that consent is actually societally defined, that "our idea of what we want — of our own desire — is linked to what we think we're supposed to want."

But Bennett offers no clear solutions to this issue. If it's true that women say yes but mean no, are men supposed to read minds? If a woman says no but a man seduces her until she says yes, is the initial no supposed to take precedence over the final yes?

Does Yes Ever Mean Yes?
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Seems like a fair question to me ... and one that's in every man's mind.

Men aren't supposed to "read minds".

They're supposed to read the situation.

Outside of those on the autism spectrum, it's not that hard to do.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Over the weekend, Jessica Bennett, gender editor of The New York Times — yes, that's a real title — wrote a piece titled "When Saying 'Yes' Is Easier Than Saying 'No'."

She argued that in many cases, women say yes to sex but actually don't want to do so: "Sometimes 'yes' means 'no,' simply because it is easier to go through with it than explain our way out of the situation. Sometimes 'no' means 'yes,' because you actually do want to do it, but you know you're not supposed to lest you be labeled a slut.

And if you're a man, that 'no' often means 'just try harder' — because, you know, persuasion is part of the game." Bennett continues by arguing that consent is actually societally defined, that "our idea of what we want — of our own desire — is linked to what we think we're supposed to want."

But Bennett offers no clear solutions to this issue. If it's true that women say yes but mean no, are men supposed to read minds? If a woman says no but a man seduces her until she says yes, is the initial no supposed to take precedence over the final yes?

Does Yes Ever Mean Yes?
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Seems like a fair question to me ... and one that's in every man's mind.

It's a ridiculous question.

It’s not incumbent upon Bennett or any woman to offer a ‘solution’ to a problem they did not create.

Men are solely responsible for their actions, it’s incumbent upon men to conduct themselves appropriately.

 

[Moonglow]

Drop yer pants, fire off a rocket then go wife hunting...

 

[Correll]

Over the weekend, Jessica Bennett, gender editor of The New York Times — yes, that's a real title — wrote a piece titled "When Saying 'Yes' Is Easier Than Saying 'No'."

She argued that in many cases, women say yes to sex but actually don't want to do so: "Sometimes 'yes' means 'no,' simply because it is easier to go through with it than explain our way out of the situation. Sometimes 'no' means 'yes,' because you actually do want to do it, but you know you're not supposed to lest you be labeled a slut.

And if you're a man, that 'no' often means 'just try harder' — because, you know, persuasion is part of the game." Bennett continues by arguing that consent is actually societally defined, that "our idea of what we want — of our own desire — is linked to what we think we're supposed to want."

But Bennett offers no clear solutions to this issue. If it's true that women say yes but mean no, are men supposed to read minds? If a woman says no but a man seduces her until she says yes, is the initial no supposed to take precedence over the final yes?

Does Yes Ever Mean Yes?
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Seems like a fair question to me ... and one that's in every man's mind.

It's a ridiculous question.

It’s not incumbent upon Bennett or any woman to offer a ‘solution’ to a problem they did not create.

Men are solely responsible for their actions, it’s incumbent upon men to conduct themselves appropriately.

It is interesting that you can read an op that clearly discusses actions by women, and see no responsibility for women.