Does Trump really have a mandate? Far less than other guys.

[Orangecat]

So for all those claiming Trump has a mandate... let's look at that.

Trump got 49.9% of the vote in an election where 37% of the electorate didn't vote at all.

Now, let's look at some other presidents who had supposed "Mandates" for their second terms. We'll only limit ourselves to guys who got second terms. This is an expansion on my point about how no presidents really have good second terms. I will include presidents who won re-election after getting the job because the last guy died.

Obama- won 51.1% of the vote. Not considered a mandate by Republicans, who won the Senate in the Next midterm
Dubya Bush - Won 50.7% of the vote. Lost both houses of Congress in the next midterm.
Clinton - Won 49.2% of the vote in a three way race. Got impeached in his second term.
Reagan - Won 58.8% of the vote and 49 States- Still lost the senate in his midterm, and was mired in the Iran Contra Scandal.
Nixon - Won a whopping 60.7% of the vote and 49%. Was forced to resign BEFORE the next midterm due to Watergate.
Johnson* - Won 61.1% of the vote and 44 states. Vietnam and the various riots, he couldn't even show his face in 1968
Eisenhower - Ike- Won 57.4% of the vote. His second term wasn't bad, just kind of unremarkable. Democrats took 15 senate seats and 39 House seats in the midterm.
Truman* - Won 49.6% of the vote in a four way race. Second term he lost both houses of Congress and got us mired in a war in Korea.
FDR - Won 60.8% - he still lost ground to the GOP in the midterm and the economic recovery sputters.
Coolidge* - Won 54% Didn't do jack diddly. After he left, the roof fell in.
Wilson- Won 49.2% of the vote. Got us into WWI after promising to keep us out. Republicans took the House and Senate in 1918.


* Got to put an asterisk on this one, because he was filling out someone else

So here's the thing. All these guys claimed to have a mandate, but it didn't turn out that way for most of them.

I don’t care if Trump has a “mandate” or not, as that is purely a subjective opinion. The truth is, Trump won convincingly and has the ability to, with the help of congress and the SCOTUS, improve our country.

 

[JoeB131]

I said Harris rose above the level of bring a prostitute. Why did that result in your being pissed? Stormy's business was fucking men. Harris started that way.

Again, I love the Mormon Misogyny.

Why would you even CARE that she had sex with someone? Why is that any of your business?

Especially since you support Trump, a man who cheated on all three of his wives, paid off a porn star and a playboy model, raped a woman in a dressing room, brags about how he would barge into the dressing rooms of the pagaents he owns, brags about grabbing women by the pussy, etc.

Again, you guys claim to be the party of family values, but these don't sound like family values to me.

 

[JoeB131]

I don’t care if Trump has a “mandate” or not, as that is purely an subjective opinion. The truth is, Trump won convincingly and has the ability to, with the help of congress and the SCOTUS, improve our country.

He has the ability.
Not the competence, the empathy, or the intelligence.

He had that ability in his first term, and he made things much, much worse for everyone.

This time, instead of surrounding himself with Generals and Senators and Governors who knew what they were doing, he's surrounding himself with clowns and bootlickers.

This is never a recipe for good government.

 

[Orangecat]

He has the ability.
Not the competence, the empathy, or the intelligence.
He had that ability in his first term, and he made things much, much worse for everyone.

This time, instead of surrounding himself with Generals and Senators and Governors who knew what they were doing, he's surrounding himself with clowns and bootlickers.

This is never a recipe for good government.

Your butthurt opinions change nothing, chumpster.

 

[Robert W]

Again, I love the Mormon Misogyny.

Why would you even CARE that she had sex with someone? Why is that any of your business?

Especially since you support Trump, a man who cheated on all three of his wives, paid off a porn star and a playboy model, raped a woman in a dressing room, brags about how he would barge into the dressing rooms of the pagaents he owns, brags about grabbing women by the pussy, etc.

Again, you guys claim to be the party of family values, but these don't sound like family values to me.

Stop making stuff up. First it is not Mormon misogyny. It is pure common sense. I don't care. Why do you care who Trump had sex with? Trump had to deal with his wives. IF they care, that is important. It does not cross my level of caring what the man did so long as he is a great president. Sort of like you care about the criminal Biden and defend Harris for her fucking many men. How could you vote for her given your hate against sex?

 

[para bellum]

I'd like to see substantial change... but I know it won't happen with Trump. That's not really a policy.



That you guys are angry that America isn't turning out the way you want? Too bad.

Goofball, those responses are from AP exit polling.

That is the sentiment of the electorate.

They weren't talking about the future, they were talking about the present- IOW the policies of the current admin.

You didn't vote for Harris because you wanted substantial change...

 

[Robert W]

He has the ability.
Not the competence, the empathy, or the intelligence.

He had that ability in his first term, and he made things much, much worse for everyone.

This time, instead of surrounding himself with Generals and Senators and Governors who knew what they were doing, he's surrounding himself with clowns and bootlickers.

This is never a recipe for good government.

I see now why you converted to being a loyalist Democrat. You sit around hammering others when your own people do what you claim to hate.

 

[JoeB131]

Stop making stuff up. First it is not Mormon misogyny. It is pure common sense. I don't care.

Naw, guy, your deranged cult has some fucked up views on women. No wonder Utah leads the country in anti-depressents.

Study Finds Utah Leads Nation in Antidepressant Use

Medicine: Some point to the pressures of Mormonism, especially for women, to explain the surprising findings.

www.latimes.com

These poor Mormon women need to drug their way out of their miserable lives.

Why do you care who Trump had sex with? Trump had to deal with his wives.

Well a whole bunch of reasons.
FIrst, if your wife can't trust you, why should I? (And, yes, I had this exact same opinion about Bill Clinton.)
Secondly, if a man is this misogynistic, can we really trust him on issues important to women such as reproductive health and equal treatment in the workplace?

It does not cross my level of caring what the man did so long as he is a great president.

You mean as long as he's willing to impose your religious bullshit on the rest of us.

He certainly wasn't a great president in his first term.... Not sure how you think the second one will be better.

Sort of like you care about the criminal Biden and defend Harris for her fucking many men.

How many men has she fucked? Well, Willie Brown, 30 years ago. She's been married to Doug for the last 10.

Biden isn't a criminal. You guys spent 4 years claiming he was and came up with nothing.

How could you vote for her given your hate against sex?

Um, I love sex.
I don't like adultery, misogyny, or sexual assault, and your boy Trump did all of those.

 

[JoeB131]

I see now why you converted to being a loyalist Democrat. You sit around hammering others when your own people do what you claim to hate.

You're babbling, buddy.

Biden appointed mostly good people. Same with Obama, Bush, Clinton, etc.

Trump is appointing clowns like Tulsi Gabbard, RFK Jr., and Pete "roofies" Hegseth

 

[daveman]

Not at all. I don't find the regulatory "burden" to be that burdensome. ( currently own two businesses now.)

I have to get a business license
I have to get insurance
I have to meet sensible safety regulations at my place of business
I have to put up a poster informing our employees of their rights at work.

Oh, well, great for you. Fuck all the other business owners who have to deal with government bullshit, right?

Key Findings: The Cost of Federal Regulations
U.S. federal government regulations cost an estimated $3.079 trillion in 2022 (in 2023 dollars), an amount
equal to 12% of U.S. GDP. These costs fall unevenly on the major sectors of the economy and on firms of
different sizes; the findings indicate that compliance costs fall disproportionately on small businesses. Table 1
summarizes the incidence of costs by firm size based on aggregate data for all sectors of the U.S. economy.
Considering all federal regulations, all sectors of the U.S. economy and all firm sizes, federal regulations cost an
estimated $12,800 per employee per year in 2022 (in 2023 dollars). Small firms with fewer than 50 employees
incur regulatory costs of $14,700 per employee per year – 20% greater than the cost per employee in large
firms ($12,200). These estimates are consistent with prior studies, which indicate that the cost of regulatory
compliance disproportionately affects small firms.

Two years. That's all you clowns have.

Who are you trying to convince -- us, or yourself?

Nope. It's the purges of voter rolls and the onerous voter ID requirements (the new Poll Tax.)

I am willing to entertain that she had weaknesses as a candidate, but so did Trump. The problem was that she was qualified and sane and Trump... isn't either.

 

[daveman]

Again, I love the Mormon Misogyny.

Why would you even CARE that she had sex with someone? Why is that any of your business?

Especially since you support Trump, a man who cheated on all three of his wives, paid off a porn star and a playboy model, raped a woman in a dressing room, brags about how he would barge into the dressing rooms of the pagaents he owns, brags about grabbing women by the pussy, etc.

Again, you guys claim to be the party of family values, but these don't sound like family values to me.

So, you're okay with Harris having had sex...but it's BAD when the ORANGE MAN does it?

 

[JoeB131]

U.S. federal government regulations cost an estimated $3.079 trillion in 2022 (in 2023 dollars), an amount
equal to 12% of U.S. GDP. These costs fall unevenly on the major sectors of the economy and on firms of
different sizes; the findings indicate that compliance costs fall disproportionately on small businesses. Table 1
summarizes the incidence of costs by firm size based on aggregate data for all sectors of the U.S. economy.
Considering all federal regulations, all sectors of the U.S. economy and all firm sizes, federal regulations cost an
estimated $12,800 per employee per year in 2022 (in 2023 dollars). Small firms with fewer than 50 employees
incur regulatory costs of $14,700 per employee per year – 20% greater than the cost per employee in large
firms ($12,200). These estimates are consistent with prior studies, which indicate that the cost of regulatory
compliance disproportionately affects small firms.

Um, no, guy.

I like it that when I go to work, the company is looking out for my safety.
I like it that they are not letting dangerous chemicals sit out in the open.

I also kind of doubt these numbers, but that's neither here nor there.

So, you're okay with Harris having had sex...but it's BAD when the ORANGE MAN does it?

Considering the Orange man seems to be fuzzy on issues like "consent" and "marital fidelity", um, yeah.

 

[Jarlaxle]

SloweyB is a wannabe camp guard. He loves authoritarianism when he gets to abuse the inmates.

He would have been one of those hung at Nuremberg.

No, Joey dreams of being in charge of the NKVD.

 

[Jarlaxle]

The imaginary and dead voters from the last election were disenfranchised!

Though Boston still topped 100% turn out.

 

[Jarlaxle]

He has the ability.
Not the competence, the empathy, or the intelligence.

He had that ability in his first term, and he made things much, much worse for everyone.

This time, instead of surrounding himself with Generals and Senators and Governors who knew what they were doing, he's surrounding himself with clowns and bootlickers.

This is never a recipe for good government.

Joey, why do you lie? You KNOW that's a lie.

 

[para bellum]

Not at all. I don't find the regulatory "burden" to be that burdensome. ( currently own two businesses now.)

I have to get a business license
I have to get insurance
I have to meet sensible safety regulations at my place of business
I have to put up a poster informing our employees of their rights at work.

I don't believe you. I have never known a business owner that trivializes the cost of being in business like you do. And I've known a lot of owners, and been in business for a lot of years.

I needed TWO business licenses- one from the State and one from the City.
I needed 6 separate insurances. 4 were separate policies and two were taxes- CGL, Workman's Comp, Commercial Auto, State UI, Federal UI, and health insurance for my employees. If you own the building (I didn't) you have to carry insurance for that too.
I paid 7.65% of my total payroll, plus 15.3% of my own income in FICA taxes. (You have 48 hours after payday to make the payment before you start incurring stiff penalties).
I paid personal property taxes on every piece of equipment I used in my business.
I paid Federal, State and Municipal income taxes, plus a transit tax that was based on income. The combined income tax was over 50% of my income if I earned a median income in a given year.
I paid commercial rates for utilities, which are much higher than residential rates.

I always maintained a safe workplace because I knew I was the one who would be sued if anyone ever got injured.

I was subject to spot inspections at anytime, and if anything was out of order I would be hit with a stiff fine. That includes things like making sure your fire extinguishers are up to date, and because I was a manufacturer there were all kinds of additional compliance requirements I had to be on top of at all times. Air nozzles, flammables like paints and solvents correctly stored, proper guards on the machines, etc.

The posters are nothing- you can print them out from the State Dept of Labor websites.

I also had to pay an accountant to do my taxes, and I had to pay for annual software updates to do my own payroll.

If I needed to block the street to bring in a piece of equipment I had to get a permit for that, and put people on each end to direct traffic.

I retired in 2022, and I have an 8x10 storage unit to hold the business records that I can't even get rid of until 7 years pass...

The real list is endless- your little B.S. list tells me you never ran a real business with employees in your life...

 

[westwall]

Joey, why do you lie? You KNOW that's a lie.

My guess is because Joey is a demofascist and lying is what they do.

 

[BackAgain]

Yep, trump got more votes

Mandate

JFK once said something like a majority of only one vote would constitute a mandate.

Mandate merely means the authority to govern.

 

[JoeB131]

I don't believe you. I have never known a business owner that trivializes the cost of being in business like you do. And I've known a lot of owners, and been in business for a lot of years.

I needed TWO business licenses- one from the State and one from the City.

Okay, I just need one business license for each of the two businesses I have, both from the city.
I have to buy insurance, but that's just common fucking sense. Last thing you need is to rack up a seven figure judgement because some idiot slipped on your floor.

I was subject to spot inspections at anytime, and if anything was out of order I would be hit with a stiff fine. That includes things like making sure your fire extinguishers are up to date, and because I was a manufacturer there were all kinds of additional compliance requirements I had to be on top of at all times. Air nozzles, flammables like paints and solvents correctly stored, proper guards on the machines, etc.

If you are being inspected that often, it sounds like you have unhappy employees. The only time I saw OSHA show up a lot was at a company where the management refused to invest in people or equipment, and employees would drop a dime to OSHA on their way out the door.

 

[JoeB131]

JFK once said something like a majority of only one vote would constitute a mandate.

JFK got shot.