Does Trump really have a mandate? Far less than other guys.

[ShahdagMountains]

I probably need to run the numbers on third party types.

And then what?

 

[JoeB131]

Only after days and days and days of "finding" more ballots.

Um, that's the same thing that happens every year.. it takes weeks to count all the ballots.

But we knew Biden had won by Friday.

 

[JoeB131]

And then what?

More my own curiosity. Less people pissed away their votes on third parties.

 

[para bellum]

Nope. That means 7 in 10 didn't. Five didn't want him at all, and 2 just wanted cheaper eggs (which isn't going to happen.)

Nice cope, but you ignore:

more than half of voters overall said they wanted to see substantial change.

And when 30% say in effect "burn it all down", that ought to tell you something.

But you're a lib, so it goes without saying that the message is lost on you...

 

[SweetTea]

So for all those claiming Trump has a mandate... let's look at that.

Trump got 49.9% of the vote in an election where 37% of the electorate didn't vote at all.

Now, let's look at some other presidents who had supposed "Mandates" for their second terms. We'll only limit ourselves to guys who got second terms. This is an expansion on my point about how no presidents really have good second terms. I will include presidents who won re-election after getting the job because the last guy died.

Obama- won 51.1% of the vote. Not considered a mandate by Republicans, who won the Senate in the Next midterm
Dubya Bush - Won 50.7% of the vote. Lost both houses of Congress in the next midterm.
Clinton - Won 49.2% of the vote in a three way race. Got impeached in his second term.
Reagan - Won 58.8% of the vote and 49 States- Still lost the senate in his midterm, and was mired in the Iran Contra Scandal.
Nixon - Won a whopping 60.7% of the vote and 49%. Was forced to resign BEFORE the next midterm due to Watergate.
Johnson* - Won 61.1% of the vote and 44 states. Vietnam and the various riots, he couldn't even show his face in 1968
Eisenhower - Ike- Won 57.4% of the vote. His second term wasn't bad, just kind of unremarkable. Democrats took 15 senate seats and 39 House seats in the midterm.
Truman* - Won 49.6% of the vote in a four way race. Second term he lost both houses of Congress and got us mired in a war in Korea.
FDR - Won 60.8% - he still lost ground to the GOP in the midterm and the economic recovery sputters.
Coolidge* - Won 54% Didn't do jack diddly. After he left, the roof fell in.
Wilson- Won 49.2% of the vote. Got us into WWI after promising to keep us out. Republicans took the House and Senate in 1918.


* Got to put an asterisk on this one, because he was filling out someone else

So here's the thing. All these guys claimed to have a mandate, but it didn't turn out that way for most of them.

Four things were up for grabs and Trump went 4-0. That is a mandate.

 

[Robert W]

Wow, you are proving my point about misogyny, aren't you.

So Trump fucks porn stars, and that's okay.
But Harris had a relationship 30 years ago, and that's horrible.

Stormy never rose above being a prostitute. Harris did.

 

[Man With A Plan]

So for all those claiming Trump has a mandate... let's look at that.

Trump got 49.9% of the vote in an election where 37% of the electorate didn't vote at all.

Now, let's look at some other presidents who had supposed "Mandates" for their second terms. We'll only limit ourselves to guys who got second terms. This is an expansion on my point about how no presidents really have good second terms. I will include presidents who won re-election after getting the job because the last guy died.

Obama- won 51.1% of the vote. Not considered a mandate by Republicans, who won the Senate in the Next midterm
Dubya Bush - Won 50.7% of the vote. Lost both houses of Congress in the next midterm.
Clinton - Won 49.2% of the vote in a three way race. Got impeached in his second term.
Reagan - Won 58.8% of the vote and 49 States- Still lost the senate in his midterm, and was mired in the Iran Contra Scandal.
Nixon - Won a whopping 60.7% of the vote and 49%. Was forced to resign BEFORE the next midterm due to Watergate.
Johnson* - Won 61.1% of the vote and 44 states. Vietnam and the various riots, he couldn't even show his face in 1968
Eisenhower - Ike- Won 57.4% of the vote. His second term wasn't bad, just kind of unremarkable. Democrats took 15 senate seats and 39 House seats in the midterm.
Truman* - Won 49.6% of the vote in a four way race. Second term he lost both houses of Congress and got us mired in a war in Korea.
FDR - Won 60.8% - he still lost ground to the GOP in the midterm and the economic recovery sputters.
Coolidge* - Won 54% Didn't do jack diddly. After he left, the roof fell in.
Wilson- Won 49.2% of the vote. Got us into WWI after promising to keep us out. Republicans took the House and Senate in 1918.


* Got to put an asterisk on this one, because he was filling out someone else

So here's the thing. All these guys claimed to have a mandate, but it didn't turn out that way for most of them.

Mandates aren't permanent, Joey! When a President has the House, the Senate and the Supreme Court on his side plus a popular vote victory it's a sign that the electorate want change. That's as close to a mandate as you're ever going to get in this divided nation!

 

[Delldude]

Nope, probably just the next two until Trump is removed under the 25th Amendment.

And it'll be his own people who do it to him.

Then I will move on to bitching about Shady Vance until the GOP is sent to the political wilderness in 2028.

We feel your pain, brother....................

 

[marvin martian]

So for all those claiming Trump has a mandate... let's look at that.

Trump got 49.9% of the vote in an election where 37% of the electorate didn't vote at all.

Now, let's look at some other presidents who had supposed "Mandates" for their second terms. We'll only limit ourselves to guys who got second terms. This is an expansion on my point about how no presidents really have good second terms. I will include presidents who won re-election after getting the job because the last guy died.

Obama- won 51.1% of the vote. Not considered a mandate by Republicans, who won the Senate in the Next midterm
Dubya Bush - Won 50.7% of the vote. Lost both houses of Congress in the next midterm.
Clinton - Won 49.2% of the vote in a three way race. Got impeached in his second term.
Reagan - Won 58.8% of the vote and 49 States- Still lost the senate in his midterm, and was mired in the Iran Contra Scandal.
Nixon - Won a whopping 60.7% of the vote and 49%. Was forced to resign BEFORE the next midterm due to Watergate.
Johnson* - Won 61.1% of the vote and 44 states. Vietnam and the various riots, he couldn't even show his face in 1968
Eisenhower - Ike- Won 57.4% of the vote. His second term wasn't bad, just kind of unremarkable. Democrats took 15 senate seats and 39 House seats in the midterm.
Truman* - Won 49.6% of the vote in a four way race. Second term he lost both houses of Congress and got us mired in a war in Korea.
FDR - Won 60.8% - he still lost ground to the GOP in the midterm and the economic recovery sputters.
Coolidge* - Won 54% Didn't do jack diddly. After he left, the roof fell in.
Wilson- Won 49.2% of the vote. Got us into WWI after promising to keep us out. Republicans took the House and Senate in 1918.


* Got to put an asterisk on this one, because he was filling out someone else

So here's the thing. All these guys claimed to have a mandate, but it didn't turn out that way for most of them.

 

[daveman]

If you want to make a case that X- agency has outlived it's usefulness, by all mean, bring that up to Congress and eliminate it.

Not sure which ones have control over my life. I think in the last 10 years, the only encounters I've had with the feds are dealing with my wife's immigration paperwork. Before that, not much of anything.

Didn't you once say you had your own business?

Then you have a regulatory burden you have to take care of on threat of government violence.

But you seem to enjoy that sort of thing.

 

[HikerGuy83]

So for all those claiming Trump has a mandate... let's look at that.

Trump got 49.9% of the vote in an election where 37% of the electorate didn't vote at all.

Now, let's look at some other presidents who had supposed "Mandates" for their second terms. We'll only limit ourselves to guys who got second terms. This is an expansion on my point about how no presidents really have good second terms. I will include presidents who won re-election after getting the job because the last guy died.

Obama- won 51.1% of the vote. Not considered a mandate by Republicans, who won the Senate in the Next midterm
Dubya Bush - Won 50.7% of the vote. Lost both houses of Congress in the next midterm.
Clinton - Won 49.2% of the vote in a three way race. Got impeached in his second term.
Reagan - Won 58.8% of the vote and 49 States- Still lost the senate in his midterm, and was mired in the Iran Contra Scandal.
Nixon - Won a whopping 60.7% of the vote and 49%. Was forced to resign BEFORE the next midterm due to Watergate.
Johnson* - Won 61.1% of the vote and 44 states. Vietnam and the various riots, he couldn't even show his face in 1968
Eisenhower - Ike- Won 57.4% of the vote. His second term wasn't bad, just kind of unremarkable. Democrats took 15 senate seats and 39 House seats in the midterm.
Truman* - Won 49.6% of the vote in a four way race. Second term he lost both houses of Congress and got us mired in a war in Korea.
FDR - Won 60.8% - he still lost ground to the GOP in the midterm and the economic recovery sputters.
Coolidge* - Won 54% Didn't do jack diddly. After he left, the roof fell in.
Wilson- Won 49.2% of the vote. Got us into WWI after promising to keep us out. Republicans took the House and Senate in 1918.


* Got to put an asterisk on this one, because he was filling out someone else

So here's the thing. All these guys claimed to have a mandate, but it didn't turn out that way for most of them.

Who cares.

You do what you can get done.

Mandate or no mandate......he's going to try and gouge the federal government.

He'll be successful at some level.

 

[daveman]

Where are you getting your numbers? Where is the validation that less turnout correlated to impacted voter suppression? Who got suppressed and how?

The imaginary and dead voters from the last election were disenfranchised!

 

[daveman]

Why do you guys always think that Moosejaw Country really matters?

And THAT is why Democrats lost.

They will learn nothing from it. YOU will learn nothing from it.

Enjoy your political irrelevance.

 

[daveman]

If Joe and Kamala were all that, Progs would have won in a landslide. They screwed people over. And nary a word in what went wrong. We saw the truth in Prog politicians the last 4 years. In living color. Lifetime politicians and those heading that way.

Harris: "I did a great job as VIce President, and as President, I pledge to fix all of America's problems!"

Idiots like Comrade Iosef:

 

[daveman]

Except it wasn't 15 million... the number of total voters were about 5 million less. Maybe less than that.

Some went to Trump. Some stayed home. Some couldn't vote because of onerous voter suppression.

None of this means Trump has a mandate because he got lucky in a disorganized opponent.

So, is the voter suppression that nobody can see in the room with us right now?

 

[daveman]

I would say if she won by these numbers, it would be pretty pathetic.

The fact that we couldn't get over our racism and misogyny to elect a decent woman over a convicted felon says a lot about where we are at as a country, none of it good.

She sucked as a candidate. She sucked as VP. Your party is incompetent and hired someone solely for her plumbing and darkish skin.

You insisting what your handlers tell you is true is utterly insane.

 

[daveman]

That's not true, either.

Biden got more votes in 2020.

Not if you count real, eligible voters.

 

[JoeB131]

Nice cope, but you ignore:

more than half of voters overall said they wanted to see substantial change.

I'd like to see substantial change... but I know it won't happen with Trump. That's not really a policy.

And when 30% say in effect "burn it all down", that ought to tell you something.

That you guys are angry that America isn't turning out the way you want? Too bad.

Stormy never rose above being a prostitute. Harris did.

Stormy is a successful businesswoman and entrepreneur (Unlike the vast majority of adult film actors.)

Harris was a District Attorney, Attorney General, Senator, and Vice President. More than your sorry Mormon ass will ever achieve.

 

[Robert W]

I'd like to see substantial change... but I know it won't happen with Trump. That's not really a policy.



That you guys are angry that America isn't turning out the way you want? Too bad.



Stormy is a successful businesswoman and entrepreneur (Unlike the vast majority of adult film actors.)

Harris was a District Attorney, Attorney General, Senator, and Vice President. More than your sorry Mormon ass will ever achieve.

I said Harris rose above the level of bring a prostitute. Why did that result in your being pissed? Stormy's business was fucking men. Harris started that way.

 

[JoeB131]

Didn't you once say you had your own business?

Then you have a regulatory burden you have to take care of on threat of government violence.

But you seem to enjoy that sort of thing.

Not at all. I don't find the regulatory "burden" to be that burdensome. ( currently own two businesses now.)

I have to get a business license
I have to get insurance
I have to meet sensible safety regulations at my place of business
I have to put up a poster informing our employees of their rights at work.

And THAT is why Democrats lost.

They will learn nothing from it. YOU will learn nothing from it.

Enjoy your political irrelevance.

Two years. That's all you clowns have.

So, is the voter suppression that nobody can see in the room with us right now?

Nope. It's the purges of voter rolls and the onerous voter ID requirements (the new Poll Tax.)

She sucked as a candidate. She sucked as VP. Your party is incompetent and hired someone solely for her plumbing and darkish skin.

You insisting what your handlers tell you is true is utterly insane.

I am willing to entertain that she had weaknesses as a candidate, but so did Trump. The problem was that she was qualified and sane and Trump... isn't either.