Does the creation of space and time qualify as a miracle?

[ding]

Does the creation of space and time qualify as a miracle?

Approximately 14 billion years ago all of the matter and energy in the universe popped into existence out of nothing and occupied the space of 1 billionth of 1 trillionth the size of a single atom and then began to expand and cool.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Approximately 14 billion years ago all of the matter and energy in the universe popped into existence out of nothing and occupied the space of 1 billionth of 1 trillionth the size of a single atom and then began to expand and cool.

Prove it. For all we know, the universe could just be a mirror image of itself.

Prove your theory. Right now you're only offering conjecture as fact. We can't do that.

 

[ding]

Approximately 14 billion years ago all of the matter and energy in the universe popped into existence out of nothing and occupied the space of 1 billionth of 1 trillionth the size of a single atom and then began to expand and cool.

Prove it.

Red shift proves that every point is moving away from every other point.

Cosmic background radiation proves the initial expansion.

Freidmann's solutions to Einstein's field equations tells us that the universe occupied a tiny space and then began to expand and cool.

Inflation theory explains how energy and matter can be created from nothing without violating the law of conservation.

Every single cosmological model honors the condition that all of space and time occupied the space of of 1 billionth of 1 trillionth the size of a single atom and then began to expand and cool.

 

[ding]

Approximately 14 billion years ago all of the matter and energy in the universe popped into existence out of nothing and occupied the space of 1 billionth of 1 trillionth the size of a single atom and then began to expand and cool.

Prove it. For all we know, the universe could just be a mirror image of itself.

Prove your theory. Right now you're only offering conjecture as fact. We can't do that.

So do you believe that would qualify as a miracle?

 

[Natural Citizen]

So do you believe that would qualify as a miracle?

There are no scared truths in science, Ding. There are only more questions to be asked.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Does the creation of space and time qualify as a miracle?

Since there is no logical reason for the state of existence itself to exist, yeah.

 

[ding]

So do you believe that would qualify as a miracle?

There are no scared truths in science, Ding. There are only more questions to be asked.

Is that a no then? You don't believe the creation of space and time would be considered a miracle?

 

[Natural Citizen]

Red shift proves that every point is moving away from every other point.

Cosmic background radiation proves the initial expansion.

Freidmann's solutions to Einstein's field equations tells us that the universe occupied a tiny space and then began to expand and cool.

Inflation theory explains how energy and matter can be created from nothing without violating the law of conservation.

Every single cosmological model honors the condition that all of space and time occupied the space of of 1 billionth of 1 trillionth the size of a single atom and then began to expand and cool.

Bah. The 2nd depends on the theory of the big bang being true and unchallenged. The 2nd is a total concoction based solely on a notion that demands that no other alternate theory be considered. That no other questions need asking. This is not the nature of science, Ding. In fact, it's contrary to the nature of science.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I've come to understand the nature of God and miracles through video games.

God exists outside of this universe He created for us so the laws that govern our universe simply don't apply to Him anymore than the rules that govern a video game don't apply to you.

 

[ding]

Red shift proves that every point is moving away from every other point.

Cosmic background radiation proves the initial expansion.

Freidmann's solutions to Einstein's field equations tells us that the universe occupied a tiny space and then began to expand and cool.

Inflation theory explains how energy and matter can be created from nothing without violating the law of conservation.

Every single cosmological model honors the condition that all of space and time occupied the space of of 1 billionth of 1 trillionth the size of a single atom and then began to expand and cool.

Bah. The 2nd depends on the theory of the big bang being true and unchallenged. It's a total concoction based solely on a notion that demandsthat no other theory be considered. That no other questions need asking. This is not the nature of science, Ding. In fact, it's contrary to the nature of science.

There are no cosmological models which do not honor the initial state. Every single cosmological model whether it is cyclical or not, honors the condition whereby ~14 billion years ago, all matter and energy in the universe occupied the space of 1 billionth of 1 trillionth the size of a single atom and then began to expand and cool.

True or false?

 

[ding]

I've come to understand the nature of God and miracles through video games.

God exists outside of this universe He created for us so the laws that govern our universe simply don't apply to Him anymore than the rules that govern a video game don't apply to you.

It is exactly like a computer simulation.

 

[harmonica]

define miracle

 

[ding]

define miracle

Each person can decide for themselves. I define miracle as when all of the matter and energy in the universe occupies the space of 1 billionth of 1 trillionth the size of a single atom.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

define miracle

An event that does not comply with the known laws of physics -- walking on water. Making something appear out of nothing. Making life appear from the inanimate.

 

[Natural Citizen]

There are no cosmological models which do not honor the initial state. Every single cosmological model whether it is cyclical or not, honors the condition whereby ~14 billion years ago, all matter and energy in the universe occupied the space of 1 billionth of 1 trillionth the size of a single atom and then began to expand and cool.

True or false?

We don't know, Ding. As I said, perhaps the universe is just a mirror image of itself. Which, btw, renders the notion that the universe will just expand and die incorrect.

The very same math that dictates expansion also works backward perfectly. All you have to know is the number pattern.

This is actually what I wanted to explain in your other threrad where you and Ed were debating, but you didn't want it written mathematically. But it's the only way it can be done.

So. Ding, you're running on a theory that depends upon a big bang to be true and without contestation. Without a big bang, the entire theory that the universe is just going to expand until it heats up and dies becomes moot.

The nature of the universe is bi-directional, we can add backward just the same as we can resolve expansion mathematically. Every single law of physics tells us that the universe is naturaly bi-directional.

It is logical to conclude the 2nd functions in the same way. As I said, the math itself works backward.

That's going to sting, Ding, but it's just true.

 

[harmonica]

I'd say no

 

[Montrovant]

define miracle

Each person can decide for themselves. I define miracle as when all of the matter and energy in the universe occupies the space of 1 billionth of 1 trillionth the size of a single atom.

So there's only one thing that constitutes a miracle to you? That's an odd definition.

 

[harmonica]

mir·a·cle
/ˈmirək(ə)l/
noun

1. a surprising and welcome event that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws and is therefore considered to be the work of a divine agency.

 

[sparky]

define miracle

A race of complete Aholes?

~S~

 

[ding]

There are no cosmological models which do not honor the initial state. Every single cosmological model whether it is cyclical or not, honors the condition whereby ~14 billion years ago, all matter and energy in the universe occupied the space of 1 billionth of 1 trillionth the size of a single atom and then began to expand and cool.

True or false?

We don't know, Ding. As I said, perhaps the universe is just a mirror image of itself. Which, btw, renders the notion that the universe will just expand and die incorrect.

The very same math that dictates expansion also works backward perfectly. All you have to know is the number pattern.

This is actually what I wanted to explain in your other threrad where you and Ed were debating, but you didn't want it written mathematically. But it's the only way it can be done.

So. Ding, you're running on a theory that depends upon a big bang to be true and without contestation. Without a big bang, the entire theory that the universe is just going to expand until it heats up and dies becomes moot.

The nature of the universe is bi-directional, we can add backward just the same as we can resolve expansion mathematically. Every single law of physics tells us that the universe is naturaly bi-directional.

It is logical to conclude the 2nd functions in the same way. As I said, the math itself works backward.

That's going to sting, Ding, but it's just true.

It is running the models backwards which tells us all of the matter and energy in the universe once occupied the space of 1 billionth of 1 trillionth the size of a single atom. Do you agree or disagree?