Does the creation of space and time qualify as a miracle?

[ding]

Vilenkin was joking? What do you base that on?

Besides, it isn't as if Vilenkin is the only one to propose or consider the idea that the universe was generated from nothing.

And again, the point is that it is not a lie just because you believe it to be incorrect.

That's right, he and others are talking about a MATHEMATICAL zero, not a PHYSICAL "nothing." Saying that the universe came from "nothing" gets more attention than saying the universe was in balance. So yes Vilenkin was using "nothing" as a tongue-in-cheek attention getter. Of course Ding jumped on the mathematical zero as if it was a physical nothing, not getting the pun.

As energy was being created it was balanced by gravity such that the net energy of the universe was always zero throughout the process of the creation of energy.

Now you have really gone off the rails.

Energy was never created, and net universal energy has never been, is not now, and will never be zero.

Then that would mean energy has existed forever and everything would be thermally equalized which we do not see.

Energy HAS existed forever and thermal equalization will NEVER happen.

Energy was created through a quantum tunneling event which did not violate the law of conservation because the force of the energy and matter was balanced by the force of gravity such that the net force of the universe is zero.

 

[Taz]

That's right, he and others are talking about a MATHEMATICAL zero, not a PHYSICAL "nothing." Saying that the universe came from "nothing" gets more attention than saying the universe was in balance. So yes Vilenkin was using "nothing" as a tongue-in-cheek attention getter. Of course Ding jumped on the mathematical zero as if it was a physical nothing, not getting the pun.

As energy was being created it was balanced by gravity such that the net energy of the universe was always zero throughout the process of the creation of energy.

Now you have really gone off the rails.

Energy was never created, and net universal energy has never been, is not now, and will never be zero.

Then that would mean energy has existed forever and everything would be thermally equalized which we do not see.

Energy HAS existed forever and thermal equalization will NEVER happen.

Energy was created through a quantum tunneling event which did not violate the law of conservation because the force of the energy and matter was balanced by the force of gravity such that the net force of the universe is zero.

So where does Jesus come into all this?

 

[ding]