Does the Constitution guarantee Americans a right to privacy?

[postman]

Quit your nonsensical quibbling. We aren’t discussing whether a state could grant personhood to any animals. You’re off topic.

Granting personhood to animals is what the southerners thought the 14th amendment did.

 

[postman]

There is no right to privacy in the constitution. The right of privacy was found in the "penumbra of rights" contained in the constitution ala Griswold and Roe. As conservative justices and strict constructionists only interpret the constitution based on what is actually contained in the document and the document does not contain the words "right to privacy," there is, based on the makeup of the current supreme court, no fundamental right to privacy. Conservatives have achieved all that they wished for.

There is no constitutionally enumerated right to life, liberty or self determination. But these were rights the founding fathers believed to be self evident, and provided the 9th amendment to support them.

Amendment 9 - “The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”

How can rights be retained by the people, that aren't in the constitution? That very statement means there are rights the people have, that the constitution doesn't have to enumerate.

 

[1stNickD]

No rights are "God given". If they were the whole world would have them.

They exist, but they have been taken away by governments.

 

[dblack]

No rights are "God given". If they were the whole world would have them.

The whole world DOES have them. That's the point of the concept.

 

[OKTexas]

Nice argument, but that fertilized clump of parasitic cells is making illegal demands on the woman's body, that she has the inherent right to deny through abortion.
God does not give anyone rights over anyone else.
If someone makes demands over anyone else that they want to deny, like a bank not handing over their money to a bank robber, then the one making the demands forfeits their rights and can be killed, just like you can shoot a bank robber if necessary.
The inherent right to life is forfeit if you make demands upon anyone else.

ROTFLMFAO, you act like the kid is guilty of breaking and entering and not an invited guest. That bullshit analogy goes against everything we know about human reproduction. But hey, I guess you're left with inventing shit to fit your own commie propaganda.

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[postman]

They exist, but they have been taken away by governments.

The whole world DOES have them. That's the whole point.

God gave the Jews the right to exist. Yet the Nazi government took that from them. Governments can do evil.

 

[postman]

ROTFLMFAO, you act like the kid is guilty of breaking and entering and not an invited guest. That bullshit analogy goes against everything we know about human reproduction. But hey, I guess you're left with inventing shit to fit your own commie propaganda.

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Actually in cases of failed contraception, rape and incest, it is like the kid is guilty of breaking and entering.

 

[dblack]

God gave the Jews the right to exist. Yet the Nazi government took that from them. Governments can do evil.

Right. Inalienable rights can violated. Not sure what you're getting at.

 

[task0778]

Actually in cases of failed contraception, rape and incest, it is like the kid is guilty of breaking and entering.

Actually, you're an idiot. A new born or unborn baby is guilty of absolutely nothing. Curious if you said that knowing it was bullshit just to troll the thread?

 

[OKTexas]

Actually in cases of failed contraception, rape and incest, it is like the kid is guilty of breaking and entering.

Blah, blah, blah, you're talking about less than 1% of abortions. And it's not like the kid had a choice.

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[Care4all]

There is no right to privacy in the constitution. The right of privacy was found in the "penumbra of rights" contained in the constitution ala Griswold and Roe. As conservative justices and strict constructionists only interpret the constitution based on what is actually contained in the document and the document does not contain the words "right to privacy," there is, based on the makeup of the current supreme court, no fundamental right to privacy. Conservatives have achieved all that they wished for.

Utter bull crap!

The 9th amendment guarantees rights not specifically mentioned. Madison was scared of people like you, who believe our rights are limited to what is specifically spelled out in the bill of rights.

Ninth Amendment​

The Ninth Amendment was James Madison’s attempt to ensure that the Bill of Rights was not seen as granting to the people of the United States only the specific rights it addressed. In recent years, some have interpreted it as affirming the existence of such “unenumerated” rights outside those expressly protected by the Bill of Rights.
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Amendment IX​

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people

 

[MisterBeale]

But thn you are tied to a constitution that values gun ownership over water or clean air. That has nothing to do with any God. It is just what a few slavers decided hundreds of years ago..

Yup.

Far better than the arbitrary dictates of privileged families who make rules, entirely to their benefit, completely based on the chance of their birth . . . telling the rest of the world, they will own nothing, eat bugs, and they will be happy.



Were you born this dumb? Or did they beat it into you in the schools they run, and the media they own. . .

The water I drink is just fine, and the air I breath is too. And neither has any to do with my civil right and civil liberties.

 

[366h34d]

Individual rights could not really be put into the original constitution because states already existed, were gifts from the crown and therefore totally corrupt, but yet the Founders had to cater to states in order to get them to sign on.

So we had to wait for the 14th amendment until we finally got individual rights to be superior to state whims.

That is exactly my pt, have another amendment for whatever fxxking right you want? Don't interpret the original constitution to fit your narrative, that is a fxxking slippery slope that everyone will be a loser in the end.

 

[Care4all]

That is exactly my pt, have another amendment for whatever fxxking right you want? Don't interpret the original constitution to fit your narrative, that is a fxxking slippery slope that everyone will be a loser in the end.

No amendment needed, its there already.

Ninth Amendment​

The Ninth Amendment was James Madison’s attempt to ensure that the Bill of Rights was not seen as granting to the people of the United States only the specific rights it addressed. In recent years, some have interpreted it as affirming the existence of such “unenumerated” rights outside those expressly protected by the Bill of Rights.
Learn more...

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Amendment IX​

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people

 

[OKTexas]

Utter bull crap!

The 9th amendment guarantees rights not specifically mentioned. Madison was scared of people like you, who believe our rights are limited to what is specifically spelled out in the bill of rights.

Ninth Amendment​

The Ninth Amendment was James Madison’s attempt to ensure that the Bill of Rights was not seen as granting to the people of the United States only the specific rights it addressed. In recent years, some have interpreted it as affirming the existence of such “unenumerated” rights outside those expressly protected by the Bill of Rights.
Learn more...

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Amendment IX​

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people

So how many of those rights are retained by the child?

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[candycorn]

Do we?

One would hope. But apparently not.

 

[Care4all]

So how many of those rights are retained by the child?

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None for the embryo and/or fetus that I know of, prior to being viable?

 

[Damaged Eagle]

Since when does being female have anything to do with having a uterus?

*****SMILE*****

 

[BackAgain]

Granting personhood to animals is what the southerners thought the 14th amendment did.

I don’t care. Please shut up with your bullshit.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The original evolutionary source for society is survival through cooperation, empathy, self sacrifice, etc.
But when society invents surplus production (agriculture and technology), wealth, and currency, then you get mercenaries, crime, and war.

All societies have a choice if they want to defend against greedy violence, or engage in greedy violence
When you choose engaging in greedy violence, like ancient Rome, 1600 Spain, WWI France/England, current US, then your own social order breaks down and your own society soon falls apart, even though you have the technological ability to destroy others in the process.

So I agree with you.

Humans are inherently selfish. This is a problem. Some humans are also power hungry, and they like the power more than the responsibility that should go with this power.

Leaders all over the world can show they're more interested in staying in their jobs than doing their jobs. Boris Johnson, Putin... for example.