Does Scripture Support Liberalism?

[Avatar4321]

I never really wanted to live on a reservation. All I wanted was to live as a fully functional human being.

I haven't ever wanted to either. But even if I had, why should any of us be forced to remain on one?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

One can surely argue that.

In my morning devotion I came across a text that I never noticed before, well, not like this at least....

Proverbs 11:25 (King James Version)

The liberal soul shall be made fat: and he that watereth shall be watered also himself.

Pretty cool huh?

That chapter also had some other good nuggets...

Proverbs 11:4 (King James Version),
Proverbs 11:9 (King James Version),
Proverbs 11:24 (King James Version),
and
Proverbs 11:28 (King James Version)

Words of pure wisdom.

Hey, remember when Jesus said, "Rome should provide a better jobs program. period."?

 

[Avatar4321]

Spending 50 billion on the NSA provides lots of jobs to a broad spectrum of industries.

It is a make work project. If I told you to sweep a dirt road, does it make any money? Does it generate any income? Can you sell it? No.

If money doesn't matter then why not just give it to the poor? It was never the intent to help the poor (Democrats and Republicans) and there are a lot of rich democrats in congress with a majority in the Senate.

50 Billion could have started up real businesses with real jobs.

If money doesn't matter, than the poor wouldn't need it.

I don't really see why we should tax the people at nearly 1/3 of our income when if we kept more of our money we might be able to take care of ourselves much better.

 

[Avatar4321]

I think the following verse is interesting:

He that withholdeth corn, the people shall curse him: but blessing shall be upon the head of him that selleth it. (Proverbs 11:26, emphasis added)

Looks like the writer wasn't talking about just giving things away, but selling them. That puts the passage in a new context for me. That's something for me to ponder.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Jesus said, "yeah my father in Heaven is OK, but rich Romans and Scribes and Pharisees really need to pay their Fair Share"

 

[hangover]

What did "liberal" mean 2-3000 years ago. Jesus taught to give to the poor, (a lesson that definitely needs some caveats), but he didn't advocate taking wealth from the rich by force. It's supposed to be voluntary--something modern liberals have no ability to comprehend, except when they excuse their leaders from the rules they make for the rest of us.

Jesus taught to give to the poor.

Let's just stop there.

Period.

He also taught us not to steal. Why do you ignore that part of his post?

You do not bless a man by robbing a person and giving it to someone else. Even if your intentions are noble, you've committed an evil against a person.

It's not our job to make people who are rich give to the poor. They are the ones responsible for their stewardship. They are the ones who have to answer to God for what they do.

The power of heaven does not come with compulsion. It comes with persuasion, long suffering, kindness, gentleness, meekness, love unfeigned, etc.

It's unrighteous dominion that comes with force.

Jesus said to pay your taxes, yet you call it robbery. Your attempt to justify greed exposes what you really love. Robbing the rich to feed the poor, or robbing the poor to give to the rich, which will God have mercy on?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Jesus taught to give to the poor.

Let's just stop there.

Period.

He also taught us not to steal. Why do you ignore that part of his post?

You do not bless a man by robbing a person and giving it to someone else. Even if your intentions are noble, you've committed an evil against a person.

It's not our job to make people who are rich give to the poor. They are the ones responsible for their stewardship. They are the ones who have to answer to God for what they do.

The power of heaven does not come with compulsion. It comes with persuasion, long suffering, kindness, gentleness, meekness, love unfeigned, etc.

It's unrighteous dominion that comes with force.

Jesus said to pay your taxes, yet you call it robbery. Your attempt to justify greed exposes what you really love. Robbing the rich to feed the poor, or robbing the poor to give to the rich, which will God have mercy on?

Neither

 

[hangover]

Yesterday the news exposed Paul Ryan's compassion. He's sponsoring a bill that takes $126 million from campaigns to give to cancer research, after a little girl died from a brain tumor, while at the same time cutting $1.5 billion from the same program.

Please Avatar, preach to us about robbery.

Neither

Then what mercy will you have?

 

[MarcATL]

What did "liberal" mean 2-3000 years ago. Jesus taught to give to the poor, (a lesson that definitely needs some caveats), but he didn't advocate taking wealth from the rich by force. It's supposed to be voluntary--something modern liberals have no ability to comprehend, except when they excuse their leaders from the rules they make for the rest of us.

Jesus taught to give to the poor.

Let's just stop there.

Period.

He also taught us not to steal. Why do you ignore that part of his post?

You do not bless a man by robbing a person and giving it to someone else. Even if your intentions are noble, you've committed an evil against a person.

It's not our job to make people who are rich give to the poor. They are the ones responsible for their stewardship. They are the ones who have to answer to God for what they do.

The power of heaven does not come with compulsion. It comes with persuasion, long suffering, kindness, gentleness, meekness, love unfeigned, etc.

It's unrighteous dominion that comes with force.

When it comes to the matter of taxes, then it's no longer called stealing.

That is simply your view and/or opinion.

The view that not paying your taxes, is equal to stealing from the government is equally if not more valid.

Hence I didn't bother with that nonsense.

I won't be addressing this point again either.

Thanks.

 

[Avatar4321]

Jesus taught to give to the poor.

Let's just stop there.

Period.

He also taught us not to steal. Why do you ignore that part of his post?

You do not bless a man by robbing a person and giving it to someone else. Even if your intentions are noble, you've committed an evil against a person.

It's not our job to make people who are rich give to the poor. They are the ones responsible for their stewardship. They are the ones who have to answer to God for what they do.

The power of heaven does not come with compulsion. It comes with persuasion, long suffering, kindness, gentleness, meekness, love unfeigned, etc.

It's unrighteous dominion that comes with force.

Jesus said to pay your taxes, yet you call it robbery. Your attempt to justify greed exposes what you really love. Robbing the rich to feed the poor, or robbing the poor to give to the rich, which will God have mercy on?

Taxes hurt the poor as much as they hurt the rich. Not sure why you seem to think it matters how much money a man makes. I don't think the Lord would justify me in hating any of my brethren.

Nor do I see how it's greedy to want people to minister to the needs of others on their own rather than having the government steal their money to pretend to help the poor.

 

[Avatar4321]

Yesterday the news exposed Paul Ryan's compassion. He's sponsoring a bill that takes $126 million from campaigns to give to cancer research, after a little girl died from a brain tumor, while at the same time cutting $1.5 billion from the same program.

Please Avatar, preach to us about robbery.

Neither

Then what mercy will you have?

I don't see how giving other people's money away blesses you or anyone else.

 

[Avatar4321]

Jesus taught to give to the poor.

Let's just stop there.

Period.

He also taught us not to steal. Why do you ignore that part of his post?

You do not bless a man by robbing a person and giving it to someone else. Even if your intentions are noble, you've committed an evil against a person.

It's not our job to make people who are rich give to the poor. They are the ones responsible for their stewardship. They are the ones who have to answer to God for what they do.

The power of heaven does not come with compulsion. It comes with persuasion, long suffering, kindness, gentleness, meekness, love unfeigned, etc.

It's unrighteous dominion that comes with force.

When it comes to the matter of taxes, then it's no longer called stealing.

That is simply your view and/or opinion.

The view that not paying your taxes, is equal to stealing from the government is equally if not more valid.

Hence I didn't bother with that nonsense.

I won't be addressing this point again either.

Thanks.

Because you can't honestly do that. Just because the government legally sanctions robbery, doesn't make it any less wrong. The taking of money from others by force is robbery. Period. The Lord said thou shalt not steal. If you don't like it, take it up with Him.

But the simple fact is if the government wasn't robbing the people of a third of the fruits of their labor, people would be able to rely more on their labor and less on the government.

 

[Vox]

you mean leftard progressivism?

No, it does NOT.

 

[Vox]

What did "liberal" mean 2-3000 years ago. Jesus taught to give to the poor, (a lesson that definitely needs some caveats), but he didn't advocate taking wealth from the rich by force. It's supposed to be voluntary--something modern liberals have no ability to comprehend, except when they excuse their leaders from the rules they make for the rest of us.

Jesus taught to give to the poor.

Let's just stop there.

Period.

No, let's just do not.

Period.

 

[Vox]

Does Scripture Support Liberalism?

Compassion for the elderly, the poor, the sick, and women and children. Those are liberal ideals. Greed, hate, war and prejudice are the ideals of the GOP and fake christians.

No, they ARE NOT.

Rob the middle class to support the very rich owners of the dimocrap party - that is leftard ideas for the current moment.

Compassion for the elderly, poor, sick, women and children are CHRISTIAN ideas.

Leftards never have been even CLOSE to those ideas.

All they REALLY care ( and plan) is to tax the middle class to out of existence so they can then impose totalitarian regime of the redistribution utopia.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

What did "liberal" mean 2-3000 years ago. Jesus taught to give to the poor, (a lesson that definitely needs some caveats), but he didn't advocate taking wealth from the rich by force. It's supposed to be voluntary--something modern liberals have no ability to comprehend, except when they excuse their leaders from the rules they make for the rest of us.

Jesus taught to give to the poor.

Let's just stop there.

Period.

Do you want to stop there because you hate it when you can't find the part about using guns to enforce your religion on others in the Bible?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

What did "liberal" mean 2-3000 years ago. Jesus taught to give to the poor, (a lesson that definitely needs some caveats), but he didn't advocate taking wealth from the rich by force. It's supposed to be voluntary--something modern liberals have no ability to comprehend, except when they excuse their leaders from the rules they make for the rest of us.

Using lies destroys your credibility and integrity. There is no force, it's taxes, which Jesus said to pay. You try to deceive by telling lies about what Jesus taught.

I find myself flabbergasted that anyone would argue that taxes are not collected by force, or that they would try to argue that Jesus told anyone to pay taxes to the government in lieu of their obligations to the poor, especially when I factor in the fact that the government did nothing to help the poor when Jesus was around. I would suggest you stop accusing other people of lying about what Jesus taught when you clearly are either lying, or have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Interpreting the teachings of Jesus Christ to fit a political agenda is a fool's game. Conservatives try to show that His teachings makes for cover when they show disdain and hatred for homosexuals. Conservatives tried to justify slavery and Jim Crow by interpreting Biblical passages. That showed not only their innate bigotry, but their religious hypocrisy.

Nothing Jesus said is applicable to current political philosophies. Pushing the round peg of political ideology through the square hole of scripture erodes the politics and dilutes the scripture. It's a messy paint box, the Bible. Leave it out of politics.

Hey, asshole, why don't you jump on the OP for trying to twist the teachings of Jesus into his political philosophy? Is it because that, if it weren't for hypocrisy, you wouldn't have amoral compass?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

One can surely argue that.

In my morning devotion I came across a text that I never noticed before, well, not like this at least....

Proverbs 11:25 (King James Version)

The liberal soul shall be made fat: and he that watereth shall be watered also himself.

You do realize that this entire chapter, each verse begins with the "evil" example, and ends with the good. In that context with the entire chapter - "The liberal soul shall be made fat" - does not to me sound like a good thing.
But who knows...it is a poem written thousands of years ago that obviously hasn't the slightest bearing on modern civilization specifically. So either way - another pointless thread by you.

If you had half the brains you think you have you would have pointed out that Bĕrakah does not mean liberal, and you would have known that there is nothing evil about blessing.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

each American is in debt 100,000 or more, it isn't blessings but slavery.

Yep, and the cons drove us into that debt with tax cuts for the rich, subsidies to corporate business, and the industrial military complex....war.

I haven't noticed any of the anti-cons, including you, demanding an end to corporate subsidies, or cutting spending on the (outdated) military industrial complex. Another point, tax cuts do not increase the deficit, or the debt.