Does God Exist?

[james bond]

but maybe for christians they can find a way.

They already found a way. The Bible says if you're living when Jesus returns, then you don't experience death.

 

[esalla]

And that's what keeps you from seeking a relationship with the Creator?

No, I'm just curious if there is anything like a consensus among Christians?

Why should there be? Humans are subjective.

When you are ready for an honest discussion, let me know

Humans are subjective, but I thought God was objective. Or at least eternal and consistent. There's only one heaven and one hell, right?

I'm only asking for information, I have no counter to the Christian view of the afterlife. I'm not a believer but I just want to know what people think is coming.

My perception of God would be like an ant's perception of us. It just isn't possible to fully wrap our minds around. So my answer to your questions are based upon my sincerest effort to answer the question of origin and fully explore the possibility of mind creating the material world. It's probably not something you have ever seriously or honestly tried to do before and is the reason you are biased against the possibility of mind creating the material world.

The closest I can come to God is infinite logic, infinite truth, infinite goodness, infinite beauty and infinite love which are eternal and unchanging. We know that things like logic, truth, goodness, beauty and love exist. To complete the spectrum we know the absence of those things exist as well but are not extant. So I start from the extant to describe what I believe mind to be like.

So I don't see how God could be anything but objective and if there is something which argues against this, then it is the argument itself which is in error. For instance, bad acts of men would be an illogical argument against infinite logic, infinite truth, infinite goodness, infinite beauty and infinite love existing. The material world is not perfect. It's full of all kinds of defects. It is the nature of the material world. To argue there is no such thing as infinite logic, infinite truth, infinite goodness, infinite beauty and infinite love because the material world has defects doesn't make sense.

I don't know what heaven and hell is. File that as another thing we can't wrap our minds around. The closest I can can come to perceiving heaven and hell is either being eternally united or separated from infinite logic, infinite truth, infinite goodness, infinite beauty and infinite love. I have a notion that the separation would feel like torture to us as the spirit of infinite logic, infinite truth, infinite goodness, infinite beauty and infinite love is withdrawn from us. Some people don't realize what they have until it is taken away from them. As to the concept of reward and punishment, we can look at our own experiences as a proxy to know that reward and punishment are well founded in human behavior. But another thing is also there.... forgiveness. So it is not necessarily a binary decision. So the question of heaven and hell or reward and punishment is founded in logic but it shouldn't even enter into our calculus of how we behave (be, exist, being, etc.). So I can't understand how anyone would use heaven and hell as an argument against infinite logic, infinite truth, infinite goodness, infinite beauty and infinite love.

You say you are only asking for information, but my perception is that you are looking for confirmation. Confirmation of your beliefs. Why else would you care about reconciling Christian beliefs with the origin question? You are just looking for excuses not to do your own honest investigation into the origin of existence. The origin of logic, truth, goodness, beauty and love.

What does it matter what other people believe is coming? Why is that important? How does it change your thinking or your decisions?

No one is ever going to read all of that

Can you wrap your mind around that?

That's their problem.

I read all of it. Thank you.

Why?

 

[ding]

And that's what keeps you from seeking a relationship with the Creator?

No, I'm just curious if there is anything like a consensus among Christians?

Why should there be? Humans are subjective.

When you are ready for an honest discussion, let me know

Humans are subjective, but I thought God was objective. Or at least eternal and consistent. There's only one heaven and one hell, right?

I'm only asking for information, I have no counter to the Christian view of the afterlife. I'm not a believer but I just want to know what people think is coming.

My perception of God would be like an ant's perception of us. It just isn't possible to fully wrap our minds around. So my answer to your questions are based upon my sincerest effort to answer the question of origin and fully explore the possibility of mind creating the material world. It's probably not something you have ever seriously or honestly tried to do before and is the reason you are biased against the possibility of mind creating the material world.

The closest I can come to God is infinite logic, infinite truth, infinite goodness, infinite beauty and infinite love which are eternal and unchanging. We know that things like logic, truth, goodness, beauty and love exist. To complete the spectrum we know the absence of those things exist as well but are not extant. So I start from the extant to describe what I believe mind to be like.

So I don't see how God could be anything but objective and if there is something which argues against this, then it is the argument itself which is in error. For instance, bad acts of men would be an illogical argument against infinite logic, infinite truth, infinite goodness, infinite beauty and infinite love existing. The material world is not perfect. It's full of all kinds of defects. It is the nature of the material world. To argue there is no such thing as infinite logic, infinite truth, infinite goodness, infinite beauty and infinite love because the material world has defects doesn't make sense.

I don't know what heaven and hell is. File that as another thing we can't wrap our minds around. The closest I can can come to perceiving heaven and hell is either being eternally united or separated from infinite logic, infinite truth, infinite goodness, infinite beauty and infinite love. I have a notion that the separation would feel like torture to us as the spirit of infinite logic, infinite truth, infinite goodness, infinite beauty and infinite love is withdrawn from us. Some people don't realize what they have until it is taken away from them. As to the concept of reward and punishment, we can look at our own experiences as a proxy to know that reward and punishment are well founded in human behavior. But another thing is also there.... forgiveness. So it is not necessarily a binary decision. So the question of heaven and hell or reward and punishment is founded in logic but it shouldn't even enter into our calculus of how we behave (be, exist, being, etc.). So I can't understand how anyone would use heaven and hell as an argument against infinite logic, infinite truth, infinite goodness, infinite beauty and infinite love.

You say you are only asking for information, but my perception is that you are looking for confirmation. Confirmation of your beliefs. Why else would you care about reconciling Christian beliefs with the origin question? You are just looking for excuses not to do your own honest investigation into the origin of existence. The origin of logic, truth, goodness, beauty and love.

What does it matter what other people believe is coming? Why is that important? How does it change your thinking or your decisions?

No one is ever going to read all of that

Can you wrap your mind around that?

That's their problem.

I read all of it. Thank you.

Why?

Probably because not everyone is like you.

 

[ding]

The universe made all the ingredients. Supernovas...

That's impossible. The universe is too complex.

Everything in the universe is a product of the Big Bang, and the evolution of the universe afterwards.

Don't be silly. There is no intelligence behind a big bang, e.g. a firecracker doesn't just appear in your butt and light itself to wake you up.

I think there's intelligence behind the big bang. My contention is that mind created the the material world.

 

[james bond]

I think there's intelligence behind the big bang. My contention is that mind created the the material world.

No evidence. Fraser Cain said you can't look back that far in the past.

 

[alang1216]

My perception of God would be like an ant's perception of us. It just isn't possible to fully wrap our minds around. So my answer to your questions are based upon my sincerest effort to answer the question of origin and fully explore the possibility of mind creating the material world. It's probably not something you have ever seriously or honestly tried to do before and is the reason you are biased against the possibility of mind creating the material world.

Actually I consider myself an agnostic concerning if the universe was created by an intelligence. If there is any evidence for what existed before the BB, I don't know what it is. Since there is a complete lack of evidence I'm willing to say, I don't know. What I'm not willing to do is imagine a being that may have been the creator using only logic.

 

[esalla]

And that's what keeps you from seeking a relationship with the Creator?

No, I'm just curious if there is anything like a consensus among Christians?

Why should there be? Humans are subjective.

When you are ready for an honest discussion, let me know

Humans are subjective, but I thought God was objective. Or at least eternal and consistent. There's only one heaven and one hell, right?

I'm only asking for information, I have no counter to the Christian view of the afterlife. I'm not a believer but I just want to know what people think is coming.

My perception of God would be like an ant's perception of us. It just isn't possible to fully wrap our minds around. So my answer to your questions are based upon my sincerest effort to answer the question of origin and fully explore the possibility of mind creating the material world. It's probably not something you have ever seriously or honestly tried to do before and is the reason you are biased against the possibility of mind creating the material world.

The closest I can come to God is infinite logic, infinite truth, infinite goodness, infinite beauty and infinite love which are eternal and unchanging. We know that things like logic, truth, goodness, beauty and love exist. To complete the spectrum we know the absence of those things exist as well but are not extant. So I start from the extant to describe what I believe mind to be like.

So I don't see how God could be anything but objective and if there is something which argues against this, then it is the argument itself which is in error. For instance, bad acts of men would be an illogical argument against infinite logic, infinite truth, infinite goodness, infinite beauty and infinite love existing. The material world is not perfect. It's full of all kinds of defects. It is the nature of the material world. To argue there is no such thing as infinite logic, infinite truth, infinite goodness, infinite beauty and infinite love because the material world has defects doesn't make sense.

I don't know what heaven and hell is. File that as another thing we can't wrap our minds around. The closest I can can come to perceiving heaven and hell is either being eternally united or separated from infinite logic, infinite truth, infinite goodness, infinite beauty and infinite love. I have a notion that the separation would feel like torture to us as the spirit of infinite logic, infinite truth, infinite goodness, infinite beauty and infinite love is withdrawn from us. Some people don't realize what they have until it is taken away from them. As to the concept of reward and punishment, we can look at our own experiences as a proxy to know that reward and punishment are well founded in human behavior. But another thing is also there.... forgiveness. So it is not necessarily a binary decision. So the question of heaven and hell or reward and punishment is founded in logic but it shouldn't even enter into our calculus of how we behave (be, exist, being, etc.). So I can't understand how anyone would use heaven and hell as an argument against infinite logic, infinite truth, infinite goodness, infinite beauty and infinite love.

You say you are only asking for information, but my perception is that you are looking for confirmation. Confirmation of your beliefs. Why else would you care about reconciling Christian beliefs with the origin question? You are just looking for excuses not to do your own honest investigation into the origin of existence. The origin of logic, truth, goodness, beauty and love.

What does it matter what other people believe is coming? Why is that important? How does it change your thinking or your decisions?

No one is ever going to read all of that

Can you wrap your mind around that?

That's their problem.

I read all of it. Thank you.

Why?

Probably because not everyone is like you.

Is he too dumb to answer on his own?

If so, why?

Bye the way he did not read all of your nonsense, he just said that he did

 

[Adrenochrome Junkie]

If Satan exists, God exists.

I know Satan exists, because the Democrat party exists...

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

The short answer: No. We're born, we live, we die. That's it. There is no intelligence controlling the universe.

For YOU that's undoubtedly true.

To claim with absolute certainty something you cannot possibly know is the height of hubris and conceit.

 

[alang1216]

Death is coming

Thanks for stating the obvious. The question is, what, if anything, comes next?

Fat, naked babies playing harps.

Not quite. The evolution of consciousness.

The evolution of consciousness after death? There is just as much evidence for that as for fat, naked babies playing harps.

 

[alang1216]

And that's what keeps you from seeking a relationship with the Creator?

No, I'm just curious if there is anything like a consensus among Christians?

Why should there be? Humans are subjective.

When you are ready for an honest discussion, let me know

Humans are subjective, but I thought God was objective. Or at least eternal and consistent. There's only one heaven and one hell, right?

I'm only asking for information, I have no counter to the Christian view of the afterlife. I'm not a believer but I just want to know what people think is coming.

My perception of God would be like an ant's perception of us. It just isn't possible to fully wrap our minds around. So my answer to your questions are based upon my sincerest effort to answer the question of origin and fully explore the possibility of mind creating the material world. It's probably not something you have ever seriously or honestly tried to do before and is the reason you are biased against the possibility of mind creating the material world.

The closest I can come to God is infinite logic, infinite truth, infinite goodness, infinite beauty and infinite love which are eternal and unchanging. We know that things like logic, truth, goodness, beauty and love exist. To complete the spectrum we know the absence of those things exist as well but are not extant. So I start from the extant to describe what I believe mind to be like.

So I don't see how God could be anything but objective and if there is something which argues against this, then it is the argument itself which is in error. For instance, bad acts of men would be an illogical argument against infinite logic, infinite truth, infinite goodness, infinite beauty and infinite love existing. The material world is not perfect. It's full of all kinds of defects. It is the nature of the material world. To argue there is no such thing as infinite logic, infinite truth, infinite goodness, infinite beauty and infinite love because the material world has defects doesn't make sense.

I don't know what heaven and hell is. File that as another thing we can't wrap our minds around. The closest I can can come to perceiving heaven and hell is either being eternally united or separated from infinite logic, infinite truth, infinite goodness, infinite beauty and infinite love. I have a notion that the separation would feel like torture to us as the spirit of infinite logic, infinite truth, infinite goodness, infinite beauty and infinite love is withdrawn from us. Some people don't realize what they have until it is taken away from them. As to the concept of reward and punishment, we can look at our own experiences as a proxy to know that reward and punishment are well founded in human behavior. But another thing is also there.... forgiveness. So it is not necessarily a binary decision. So the question of heaven and hell or reward and punishment is founded in logic but it shouldn't even enter into our calculus of how we behave (be, exist, being, etc.). So I can't understand how anyone would use heaven and hell as an argument against infinite logic, infinite truth, infinite goodness, infinite beauty and infinite love.

You say you are only asking for information, but my perception is that you are looking for confirmation. Confirmation of your beliefs. Why else would you care about reconciling Christian beliefs with the origin question? You are just looking for excuses not to do your own honest investigation into the origin of existence. The origin of logic, truth, goodness, beauty and love.

What does it matter what other people believe is coming? Why is that important? How does it change your thinking or your decisions?

No one is ever going to read all of that

Can you wrap your mind around that?

That's their problem.

I read all of it. Thank you.

Why?

read it and find out

 

[ding]

I think there's intelligence behind the big bang. My contention is that mind created the the material world.

No evidence. Fraser Cain said you can't look back that far in the past.

He can suck my dick.

 

[alang1216]

Bye the way he did not read all of your nonsense, he just said that he did

That's quite the God-like power you have there, and here I thought I was the only one in the universe who knew that.

 

[ding]

My perception of God would be like an ant's perception of us. It just isn't possible to fully wrap our minds around. So my answer to your questions are based upon my sincerest effort to answer the question of origin and fully explore the possibility of mind creating the material world. It's probably not something you have ever seriously or honestly tried to do before and is the reason you are biased against the possibility of mind creating the material world.

Actually I consider myself an agnostic concerning if the universe was created by an intelligence. If there is any evidence for what existed before the BB, I don't know what it is. Since there is a complete lack of evidence I'm willing to say, I don't know. What I'm not willing to do is imagine a being that may have been the creator using only logic.

Why not? Can't you logically deduce that standards exist for logical reasons?

Besides you have evidence you can observe.

 

[ding]

Death is coming

Thanks for stating the obvious. The question is, what, if anything, comes next?

Fat, naked babies playing harps.

Not quite. The evolution of consciousness.

The evolution of consciousness after death? There is just as much evidence for that as for fat, naked babies playing harps.

Both before and after, actually. It is not that evidence doesn't exist, it's that you reject the evidence that does exist. You never even give it consideration.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

No evidence. Fraser Cain said you can't look back that far in the past.

What does Niles say about it all?

 

[ding]

And that's what keeps you from seeking a relationship with the Creator?

No, I'm just curious if there is anything like a consensus among Christians?

Why should there be? Humans are subjective.

When you are ready for an honest discussion, let me know

Humans are subjective, but I thought God was objective. Or at least eternal and consistent. There's only one heaven and one hell, right?

I'm only asking for information, I have no counter to the Christian view of the afterlife. I'm not a believer but I just want to know what people think is coming.

My perception of God would be like an ant's perception of us. It just isn't possible to fully wrap our minds around. So my answer to your questions are based upon my sincerest effort to answer the question of origin and fully explore the possibility of mind creating the material world. It's probably not something you have ever seriously or honestly tried to do before and is the reason you are biased against the possibility of mind creating the material world.

The closest I can come to God is infinite logic, infinite truth, infinite goodness, infinite beauty and infinite love which are eternal and unchanging. We know that things like logic, truth, goodness, beauty and love exist. To complete the spectrum we know the absence of those things exist as well but are not extant. So I start from the extant to describe what I believe mind to be like.

So I don't see how God could be anything but objective and if there is something which argues against this, then it is the argument itself which is in error. For instance, bad acts of men would be an illogical argument against infinite logic, infinite truth, infinite goodness, infinite beauty and infinite love existing. The material world is not perfect. It's full of all kinds of defects. It is the nature of the material world. To argue there is no such thing as infinite logic, infinite truth, infinite goodness, infinite beauty and infinite love because the material world has defects doesn't make sense.

I don't know what heaven and hell is. File that as another thing we can't wrap our minds around. The closest I can can come to perceiving heaven and hell is either being eternally united or separated from infinite logic, infinite truth, infinite goodness, infinite beauty and infinite love. I have a notion that the separation would feel like torture to us as the spirit of infinite logic, infinite truth, infinite goodness, infinite beauty and infinite love is withdrawn from us. Some people don't realize what they have until it is taken away from them. As to the concept of reward and punishment, we can look at our own experiences as a proxy to know that reward and punishment are well founded in human behavior. But another thing is also there.... forgiveness. So it is not necessarily a binary decision. So the question of heaven and hell or reward and punishment is founded in logic but it shouldn't even enter into our calculus of how we behave (be, exist, being, etc.). So I can't understand how anyone would use heaven and hell as an argument against infinite logic, infinite truth, infinite goodness, infinite beauty and infinite love.

You say you are only asking for information, but my perception is that you are looking for confirmation. Confirmation of your beliefs. Why else would you care about reconciling Christian beliefs with the origin question? You are just looking for excuses not to do your own honest investigation into the origin of existence. The origin of logic, truth, goodness, beauty and love.

What does it matter what other people believe is coming? Why is that important? How does it change your thinking or your decisions?

No one is ever going to read all of that

Can you wrap your mind around that?

That's their problem.

I read all of it. Thank you.

Why?

Probably because not everyone is like you.

Is he too dumb to answer on his own?

If so, why?

Bye the way he did not read all of your nonsense, he just said that he did

He doesn't appear dumb to me. My answering your question has no effect upon him whatsoever.

Not sure how you know that, but I am almost certain you believe it is true with all your heart.

 

[alang1216]

What I'm not willing to do is imagine a being that may have been the creator using only logic.

Why not? Can't you logically deduce that standards exist for logical reasons?

Besides you have evidence you can observe.

No you can't and I don't recall seeing any convincing evidence from you on the subject.

 

[ding]

What I'm not willing to do is imagine a being that may have been the creator using only logic.

Why not? Can't you logically deduce that standards exist for logical reasons?

Besides you have evidence you can observe.

No you can't and I don't recall seeing any convincing evidence from you on the subject.

Probably because you have forgotten your defeats.

 

[alang1216]

Death is coming

Thanks for stating the obvious. The question is, what, if anything, comes next?

Fat, naked babies playing harps.

Not quite. The evolution of consciousness.

The evolution of consciousness after death? There is just as much evidence for that as for fat, naked babies playing harps.

Both before and after, actually. It is not that evidence doesn't exist, it's that you reject the evidence that does exist. You never even give it consideration.

Are you saying that my consciousness will exist after I'm dead? What evidence am I rejecting?