Does Debt Really Matter

[Papageorgio]

Seems kinda dumb. Your 401 actually affects your life. The national debt does not

It has been well for the last 40 plus years, it doesn’t matter who is Presidentit just keeps growing. Stupid to believe a President is solely responsible or has much if any control over the market.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Why ask why? Just accept the facts that we had a surplus under Clinton and the budget was balanced. Then Bush, a republican crashed the economy and gave us a deficit.

Actually, no. Trump added 8.4 Trillion and Biden added 4.3 trillion. That's roughly half! In what alternate reality is that more than 8.4? Time to go back to kindergarten.

Trump and Biden: The National Debt | Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget

The national debt is on course to reach a record share of the economy under the next presidential administration, due in part to policies approved by Presidents Trump and Biden during their ti

www.crfb.org

Why ask why? Just accept the facts that we had a surplus under Clinton and the budget was balanced.

I ask why because I want to know why you think he had a surplus?

Actually, no. Trump added 8.4 Trillion and Biden added 4.3 trillion.

Actually, yes. There was $7.8 trillion more debt the day Trump left compared to the day he started.
Biden has already added over $8 trillion. With no recession and a super-duper economy.

Why is Biden so much worse than Trump? With 3 months of debt yet to go.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It did not. You’re either ignorant or lying.

If a 7 day average reaches 5,000 a day it mandates that the border be shut down for a period.

So did you know that and lied about it or were you just stupidly ignorant?

If a 7 day average reaches 5,000 a day it mandates that the border be shut down for a period.

With plenty of exceptions and loopholes.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Sounds... pretty reasonable.

The problem is that most illegals who cross it are sent back almost immediately. The issue becomes those who claim asylum, because Trump and Human Reptile Steven Miller dismantled the asylum system and immigration courts, so it takes YEARS for a case to be heard.

The problem is that most illegals who cross it are sent back almost immediately.

Baloney.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I just read that were Trump elected and able to carry out the mass deportations he keep talking about

The loss of labor would push us into either a Recession or a Full Depression

How many of Biden's 12 million new illegals are currently working?

 

[Lesh]

How many of Biden's 12 million new illegals are currently working?

There arent12 million “new “ illegals . Try 16 total. And about half and most of the rest are families of

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

For decades I have believed that our country’s debt mattered, I have had people claim it does and other claim it doesn’t. We are at $36 trillion in debt, we keep printing money, we keep spending, we cut taxes, neither is good at reducing debt.

My belief has been that debt means fewer economic opportunities for Americans, a rising debt means slower economic growth, less flexibility in dealing with disasters and crisis, higher inflation, erosion of confidence in the US dollar and many countries are looking to go off the dollar which could cripple America. This is a few of my arguments against our current debt situation.

Then I have had people tell me not to worry about debt, Debt doesn’t matter, it doesn’t hurt the country, I don’t understand how the economy works.

So does debt matter? Does it not matter? Should we be worried at the accelerated debt our country has taken on? I think we are in big trouble and it is bigger than Democrats and Republicans because neither is willing to slow debt down or be fiscally responsible, they both love to make promises and spend money.

Sorry, I don't see any "Tax Cutting"....just tax increases to cover the missing trillions that Dems always seem to be in charge of.
World Bank - latest prime example (but there are oh so many more)

Not to worry, when Democrats "lose" billions in taxpayer funds, they always just increase your taxes and fees to replace it. No problem.
(See - INFLATION, see - TAX INCREASES - see - FEE INCREASES - see ELIMINATION OF DEDUCTIONS -- etc etc etc)

 

[Lesh]

It has been well for the last 40 plus years, it doesn’t matter who is Presidentit just keeps growing. Stupid to believe a President is solely responsible or has much if any control over the market.

How’d it do in 2008?

2020?

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Why ask why? Just accept the facts that we had a surplus under Clinton and the budget was balanced.

I ask why because I want to know why you think he had a surplus?

Actually, no. Trump added 8.4 Trillion and Biden added 4.3 trillion.

Actually, yes. There was $7.8 trillion more debt the day Trump left compared to the day he started.
Biden has already added over $8 trillion. With no recession and a super-duper economy.

Why is Biden so much worse than Trump? With 3 months of debt yet to go.

For the millionth time, that had absolutely nothing to do with Clinton or democrat success.
Please try not to be so biased and blind at the same time.
It was the brand new INTERNET and all that came with it that spurred the world economy to amazing growth.

I suggest that the economy would have done even better during that time if Elmer Fudd or Mickey Mouse had been President.
At least they would have had their pants zipped up enough to notice there was an economy to manage.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

There arent12 million “new “ illegals . Try 16 total. And about half and most of the rest are families of

They've been saying 20 million since Bush.
It's probably over 40 million now.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

For the millionth time, that had absolutely nothing to do with Clinton or democrat success.
Please try not to be so biased and blind at the same time.
It was the brand new INTERNET and all that came with it that spurred the world economy to amazing growth.

I suggest that the economy would have done even better during that time if Elmer Fudd or Mickey Mouse had been President.
At least they would have had their pants zipped up enough to notice there was an economy to manage.

Relax, I'm not giving Clinton any credit for limiting spending or the Internet bubble.

 

[Lesh]

They've been saying 20 million since Bush.
It's probably over 40 million now.

No responsible person is saying anything like that

 

[westwall]

And then it’s closed for a period and none get through.

So what you said was at best “inaccurate “

Closed FOR THAT DAY! Sheesh, can't you read?

 

[Robert W]

I just read that were Trump elected and able to carry out the mass deportations he keep talking about

The loss of labor would push us into either a Recession or a Full Depression

So now we depend on illegals?

 

[Beekeeper]

So now we depend on illegals?

Marxists depend on them for votes.

 

[Robert W]

So, okay, 14 million. That's really not a big number, and most of them came in before Biden was president.

Joe, you take the wrong side on so many things. Not a big number you bray? When will you watch your own TV? Biden deliberately opened the border. And that shit law that did not pass in the House was terrible. The law that would force Biden to deport them was known as HR2 and Democrats said hell no to that.

 

[WEATHER53]

No it does not matter when Dems are buying votes via forgiving it with a head pat

 

[Lesh]

So now we depend on illegals?

Actually our economy does require them.

I know. Shocking right?

But it’s true

 

[WEATHER53]

How many of Biden's 12 million new illegals are currently working?

About 600,000

 

[Lesh]

Joe, you take the wrong side on so many things. Not a big number you bray? When will you watch your own TV? Biden deliberately opened the border. And that shit law that did not pass in the House was terrible. The law that would force Biden to deport them was known as HR2 and Democrats said hell no to that.

Total bullshit. HR 2 and the bipartisan Senate bill did most of the same things

HR2 had a demand for the wall and NO MONEY for additional courts or judges

The Bipartisan bill expanded courts and added judges

That’s absolutely necessary