Does anyone care we won the war in IRAQ?

1) There never were any weapons. We've gone over this.
2) Saddam was our man. So yeah, we got rid of our own guy when it suited us.
3)The country is far more unstable now than it was with Saddam.
4)Al-Qaeda was never shown to be there in the first place.

So, yeah. We "won" if you live in a logical fallacy.

Report: Hundreds of WMDs Found in Iraq - U.S. Senate - FOXNews.com
Defense.gov News Article: Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria, Official Says
Iraq did have chemical WMD, WikiLeaks documents reveal - NYPOST.com


This is not surprising news to anyone not predisposed to call President Bush a liar about WMD.

Ed Morrissey:

In this case, the surprise isn't the data but the source. Wikileaks' new release from purloined files of the Department of Defense may help remind people that, contrary to popular opinion and media memes, the US did find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and in significant quantities. While the invasion of Iraq didn't find huge stockpiles of new WMDs, it did uncover stockpiles that the UN had demanded destroyed as a condition of the 1991 truce that Saddam Hussein abrogated for twelve years.

Glenn Reynolds:

I SAID BEFORE THAT WIKILEAKS' JULIAN ASSANGE WAS CLEARLY A TOOL, BUT WHOSE? Well, so far the two biggest scoops from the latest document dump are that the infamous Lancet study was bogus, and that WMDs were found in Iraq in quantity. Neither of these stories is actually news to people who were paying attention, but now - conveniently enough just before an election, and even nicely timed for George W. Bush's new book release - these stories are getting a fresh round of play. . . .

The Lancet studies on Iraqi deaths, one released the weekend before the 2004 election, the second released less than a week before the 2006 election, not only wildly overestimated Iraqi deaths from the war, they smeared the US military. The civilian casualties were horrific but nowhere near what those two bogus studies purported to show.

As for WMD, no new weapons were found but the fact that there was so much of it still in Iraq after the UN was supposed to have gotten rid of it is significant. Don't expect any apologies from the rest of the world or even any acknowledgment that they were wrong. The narrative is set and nothing will change it.


WikiLeaks Show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq – With Surprising Results | Danger Room | Wired.com

What exactly was it we went over now?
you really want tot do this again?
I ask a question does anyone care we won?
yes or no?
 
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I have realized that the liberals are going to do what ever it takes to taint the great victory in Iraq
Does anyone realize that war is over and it looks like we will be 100% gone in 6 months?
That there is a republic in place?
and that women vote and hold office?
I had no idea that the liberal media and there cock suckers would go to the level they have to make the troops look bad and make the success they fought hard for look like, well ask Drock and that crew
I dont even know how to explain it
DOES ANYBODY CARE WE WON?

Yes, I care that we've "won".

However, I care more that Jr. invaded the wrong country and fought an unjust war using 9/11 as a selling point. OBL was in Afghanistan/Pakistan, not Iraq.

Additionally, there were NO WMD's.

Saddam is who kept the Taliban OUT of Iraq, but when we invaded and took him out, the Taliban then moved in.

As far as the job the military did? They did the best they could with incompetent leadership under Jr. who sent them into battle without proper armor for the humvees.

Yeah, I care the war is over, but I care more that we shouldn't have gone in the first place.

Your point about OBL I would never argue with
WikiLeaks Show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq – With Surprising Results | Danger Room | Wired.com
Defense.gov News Article: Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria, Official Says
Report: Hundreds of WMDs Found in Iraq - U.S. Senate - FOXNews.com

By late 2003, even the Bush White House’s staunchest defenders were starting to give up on the idea that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

But WikiLeaks’ newly-released Iraq war documents reveal that for years afterward, U.S. troops continued to find chemical weapons labs, encounter insurgent specialists in toxins and uncover weapons of mass destruction.

An initial glance at the WikiLeaks war logs doesn’t reveal evidence of some massive WMD program by the Saddam Hussein regime — the Bush administration’s most (in)famous rationale for invading Iraq. But chemical weapons, especially, did not vanish from the Iraqi battlefield. Remnants of Saddam’s toxic arsenal, largely destroyed after the Gulf War, remained. Jihadists, insurgents and foreign (possibly Iranian) agitators turned to these stockpiles during the Iraq conflict — and may have brewed up their own deadly agents.

In August 2004, for instance, American forces surreptitiously purchased what they believed to be containers of liquid sulfur mustard, a toxic “blister agent” used as a chemical weapon since World War I. The troops tested the liquid, and “reported two positive results for blister.” The chemical was then “triple-sealed and transported to a secure site” outside their base.



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I cared when we won it. Not so much since then. Just not an issue.

I guess I would have thought this Jan 1 would be the real end
any way thanks for the support

There will no end in the near future regarding the cost of Iraq (and Afghanistan). Just the rehab/treatment of veterans is estimated to cost the US tax payer over a trillion dollars. I'm not just addressing the physical wounds, but also the mental wounds/PTSD.\
In other words, every budget for the next several years will included monies for the rehab and treatment of our wounded troops.
Then there is the cost of replacing/repairing equipment which took a beating in the sand laden environment.
Finally there's the toll on the families who lost love ones or are caring for their loved ones who have life long injuries from the war, both physically and mentally. It's easy to say, it was worth it, when one didn't sacrifice. But you will be paying for it, for years to come via your taxes.
In the end, going into an elective war with Iraq has already cost America much and will continue to do so, financially, emotionally and physically.
And what are we looking at financially? Certainly over two trillion dollars.
 
I cared when we won it. Not so much since then. Just not an issue.

I guess I would have thought this Jan 1 would be the real end
any way thanks for the support

There will no end in the near future regarding the cost of Iraq (and Afghanistan). Just the rehab/treatment of veterans is estimated to cost the US tax payer over a trillion dollars. I'm not just addressing the physical wounds, but also the mental wounds/PTSD.\
In other words, every budget for the next several years will included monies for the rehab and treatment of our wounded troops.
Then there is the cost of replacing/repairing equipment which took a beating in the sand laden environment.
Finally there's the toll on the families who lost love ones or are caring for their loved ones who have life long injuries from the war, both physically and mentally. It's easy to say, it was worth it, when one didn't sacrifice. But you will be paying for it, for years to come via your taxes.
In the end, going into an elective war with Iraq has already cost America much and will continue to do so, financially, emotionally and physically.
And what are we looking at financially? Certainly over two trillion dollars.

Do you have a link for that? because I have never heard that before.
 
I have realized that the liberals are going to do what ever it takes to taint the great victory in Iraq
Does anyone realize that war is over and it looks like we will be 100% gone in 6 months?
That there is a republic in place?
and that women vote and hold office?
I had no idea that the liberal media and there cock suckers would go to the level they have to make the troops look bad and make the success they fought hard for look like, well ask Drock and that crew
I dont even know how to explain it
DOES ANYBODY CARE WE WON?

Pyrrhic victory
n
a victory in which the victor's losses are as great as those of the defeated Also called Cadmean victory
[named after Pyrrhus (319-272 bc), king of Epirus (306-272), who defeated the Romans at Asculum in 279 bc but suffered heavy losses]
 
The objectives were pretty much met, Saddam is no more and his government is toppled. We paid a heavier price than was expected in my opinion, but we pretty much did what we came to do, now whether you believe we should have went in or not is a different discussion.

I thought we invaded to stop Sadam from launching nukes and such?

That was 1 of the reasons.

That was the origional one and why congress voted to allow Bush to handle it however he saw fit.
 
JRK it doesn't matter, the people that opposed the war won't change their stance.

I supported going into Afghanistan for the obvious reason but taking a majority of resources and applying them to Iraq lengthened our efforts in Afghanistan. I would care to bet that if the US has stayed focused on Afghanistan, we'd be long gone from that shit hole.
Many lives wouldn't have been lost, many more lives wouldn't be ruined and the US would be far better off financially.
 
Does anyone care we won the war in IRAQ?

I realize that the neocrazies are going to do what ever it takes to taint the great defeat in Iraq.


That there is another radical shiite Islamist republic in place?

That Women's Rights in Iraq are Decreasing by the Day


I had no idea that the neocrazy media , JRK and the rest of the cock suckers would go to the level they have to make it look like it was in the US interest to be there.

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I guess I would have thought this Jan 1 would be the real end
any way thanks for the support

There will no end in the near future regarding the cost of Iraq (and Afghanistan). Just the rehab/treatment of veterans is estimated to cost the US tax payer over a trillion dollars. I'm not just addressing the physical wounds, but also the mental wounds/PTSD.\
In other words, every budget for the next several years will included monies for the rehab and treatment of our wounded troops.
Then there is the cost of replacing/repairing equipment which took a beating in the sand laden environment.
Finally there's the toll on the families who lost love ones or are caring for their loved ones who have life long injuries from the war, both physically and mentally. It's easy to say, it was worth it, when one didn't sacrifice. But you will be paying for it, for years to come via your taxes.
In the end, going into an elective war with Iraq has already cost America much and will continue to do so, financially, emotionally and physically.
And what are we looking at financially? Certainly over two trillion dollars.

Do you have a link for that? because I have never heard that before.

There's quite few out there but this one deals solely with the rehab/treatment of our wounded troops.
Special report: For U.S. veterans, the war after the wars | Reuters
 
JRK it doesn't matter, the people that opposed the war won't change their stance.

I supported going into Afghanistan for the obvious reason but taking a majority of resources and applying them to Iraq lengthened our efforts in Afghanistan. I would care to bet that if the US has stayed focused on Afghanistan, we'd be long gone from that shit hole.
Many lives wouldn't have been lost, many more lives wouldn't be ruined and the US would be far better off financially.

Do you realize the people we were fighting in Iraq were the same people we were fighting in Afgahn?
al-Qaeda in Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
JRK it doesn't matter, the people that opposed the war won't change their stance.

I supported going into Afghanistan for the obvious reason but taking a majority of resources and applying them to Iraq lengthened our efforts in Afghanistan. I would care to bet that if the US has stayed focused on Afghanistan, we'd be long gone from that shit hole.
Many lives wouldn't have been lost, many more lives wouldn't be ruined and the US would be far better off financially.

I think if we had not went into Iraq and just focused on Afghanistan things would be a great deal better, but we wouldn't be gone completely. Afghanistan is a country that has had no standing government, Military or any kind of real infrastructure in decades, I think we would still be there but most of the fighting would have been done.
 
The objections to the war in Iraq were never that we faced defeat. There was never any doubt that the U.S. military could defeat the Iraqi military. The objections, rather, were that:

1) It was a war of aggression, completely impossible to justify;
2) It would bog us down afterwards in a holding action against insurgents with ongoing casualties and costs halfway to forever;
3) It would drain resources from military efforts that actually had anything to do with finding and destroying the terrorist organization that attacked us; and
4) It would damage already-strained relations between us and our allies even further.

All of these objections have been proven valid. The fact that we "won" the war does not change any of them.
 
The objections to the war in Iraq were never that we faced defeat. There was never any doubt that the U.S. military could defeat the Iraqi military. The objections, rather, were that:

1) It was a war of aggression, completely impossible to justify;
2) It would bog us down afterwards in a holding action against insurgents with ongoing casualties and costs halfway to forever;
3) It would drain resources from military efforts that actually had anything to do with finding and destroying the terrorist organization that attacked us; and
4) It would damage already-strained relations between us and our allies even further.

All of these objections have been proven valid. The fact that we "won" the war does not change any of them.

Don't forget that Iraq was left off the budget as well. Oh yeah.......after the war started, Jr. gave the wealthy MORE TAX CUTS.
 
JRK it doesn't matter, the people that opposed the war won't change their stance.

I supported going into Afghanistan for the obvious reason but taking a majority of resources and applying them to Iraq lengthened our efforts in Afghanistan. I would care to bet that if the US has stayed focused on Afghanistan, we'd be long gone from that shit hole.
Many lives wouldn't have been lost, many more lives wouldn't be ruined and the US would be far better off financially.

I think if we had not went into Iraq and just focused on Afghanistan things would be a great deal better, but we wouldn't be gone completely. Afghanistan is a country that has had no standing government, Military or any kind of real infrastructure in decades, I think we would still be there but most of the fighting would have been done.

Just like Iraq, we went in there under-manned. Surge,,anyone?
 
The objections to the war in Iraq were never that we faced defeat. There was never any doubt that the U.S. military could defeat the Iraqi military. The objections, rather, were that:

1) It was a war of aggression, completely impossible to justify;
2) It would bog us down afterwards in a holding action against insurgents with ongoing casualties and costs halfway to forever;
3) It would drain resources from military efforts that actually had anything to do with finding and destroying the terrorist organization that attacked us; and
4) It would damage already-strained relations between us and our allies even further.

All of these objections have been proven valid. The fact that we "won" the war does not change any of them.

10 years and still counting in a war that was supposed to cost 40 billion and take 6 months top.
And our president said we would have no casualties. Even Pat Robertson who he said it to thought that was nutz.
 

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