Does anyone care we won the war in IRAQ?

[JRK]

Condi Rice even said there was no yellowcake.

Fail.

No, speaking as a US Navy sailor who was serving on active duty at the time of 9/11 and the beginning of the war, I have always been against our incursion into Iraq.

Jr. was just pissed that someone threatened his daddy.

Condi was protecting classified information
The yellow cake was discovered by US troops after the 2003 US invasion of Iraq at the Tuwaitha Nuclear Research Facility south of Baghdad, and was placed under the control of the International Atomic Energy Agency."
Evidence of WMDs presence in Iraq. - a knol by Luis T. Puig

 

[asterism]

Condi Rice even said there was no yellowcake.

Fail.

No, speaking as a US Navy sailor who was serving on active duty at the time of 9/11 and the beginning of the war, I have always been against our incursion into Iraq.

Jr. was just pissed that someone threatened his daddy.

U.S. removes 'yellowcake' from Iraq - World news - Mideast/N. Africa - Conflict in Iraq - msnbc.com

 

[signelect]

I will bet that within a year after withdrawal of our troops they will return to what they have known for centuries. It will again be a backed up toilet bowl. Any takers.

 

[Dragon]

why do you fell we did not have to fight it?

Because Iraq was no threat to us, nor to any of its neighbors. Because if we had not fought it, no dire consequences would have followed.

 

[JRK]

I will bet that within a year after withdrawal of our troops they will return to what they have known for centuries. It will again be a backed up toilet bowl. Any takers.

Not on your life
we are done with Iraq
GWB and there president agreed on this in 2008
The Iraqi people have spoken
never agin will we be back there

 

[JRK]

why do you fell we did not have to fight it?

Because Iraq was no threat to us, nor to any of its neighbors. Because if we had not fought it, no dire consequences would have followed.

It was never about dire consequences
it was about yellow cake
it was about anthrax
it was about 6500 munitions that are still missing (6000 of them anyway, we found over 500 of them)
It was about nerve gas

the yellow cake was there, 550 metric tons of it
the anthrax and nerve gas are gone, were did it go is any-ones guess
the munitions, same'
most people do not know that Saddam buried fighter jets instead of turning them over like he was suppose to

we went to war in Iraq because tit was un stable and all of this bad stuff was everywhere

 

[Dragon]

It was never about dire consequences

Then it should not have been fought.

The only reason to go to war is if you have no choice.

 

[JRK]

It was never about dire consequences

Then it should not have been fought.

The only reason to go to war is if you have no choice.

When the UN claimed that Saddam had all of this bad stuff un accounted for 1-27-2003
we had no choice
read this link and tell me we had a choice
here are strong indications that Iraq produced more anthrax than it declared, and that at least some of this was retained after the declared destruction date. It might still exist. Either it should be found and be destroyed under UNMOVIC supervision or else convincing evidence should be produced to show that it was, indeed, destroyed in 1991.
The document indicates that 13,000 chemical bombs were dropped by the Iraqi Air Force between 1983 and 1988, while Iraq has declared that 19,500 bombs were consumed during this period. Thus, there is a discrepancy of 6,500 bombs. The amount of chemical agent in these bombs would be in the order of about 1,000 tonnes. In the absence of evidence to the contrary, we must assume that these quantities are now unaccounted for.
Update 27 January 2003

 

[Dragon]

When the UN claimed that Saddam had all of this bad stuff un accounted for 1-27-2003
we had no choice

Yes, we did. We could have refused to invade Iraq. The possibility (since proven wrong) that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction did not justify going to war with Iraq, any more than the certainty beyond doubt that Russia, Great Britain, France, and China all have weapons of mass destruction justifies going to war with them.

 

[freedombecki]

I have realized that the liberals are going to do what ever it takes to taint the great victory in Iraq
Does anyone realize that war is over and it looks like we will be 100% gone in 6 months?
That there is a republic in place?
and that women vote and hold office?
I had no idea that the liberal media and there cock suckers would go to the level they have to make the troops look bad and make the success they fought hard for look like, well ask Drock and that crew
I dont even know how to explain it
DOES ANYBODY CARE WE WON?

Yes, I care that we've "won".

However, I care more that Jr. invaded the wrong country and fought an unjust war using 9/11 as a selling point. OBL was in Afghanistan/Pakistan, not Iraq.

Additionally, there were NO WMD's.

Saddam is who kept the Taliban OUT of Iraq, but when we invaded and took him out, the Taliban then moved in.

As far as the job the military did? They did the best they could with incompetent leadership under Jr. who sent them into battle without proper armor for the humvees.

Yeah, I care the war is over, but I care more that we shouldn't have gone in the first place.

Your point about OBL I would never argue with
WikiLeaks Show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq – With Surprising Results | Danger Room | Wired.com
Defense.gov News Article: Munitions Found in Iraq Meet WMD Criteria, Official Says
Report: Hundreds of WMDs Found in Iraq - U.S. Senate - FOXNews.com

By late 2003, even the Bush White House’s staunchest defenders were starting to give up on the idea that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

But WikiLeaks’ newly-released Iraq war documents reveal that for years afterward, U.S. troops continued to find chemical weapons labs, encounter insurgent specialists in toxins and uncover weapons of mass destruction.

An initial glance at the WikiLeaks war logs doesn’t reveal evidence of some massive WMD program by the Saddam Hussein regime — the Bush administration’s most (in)famous rationale for invading Iraq. But chemical weapons, especially, did not vanish from the Iraqi battlefield. Remnants of Saddam’s toxic arsenal, largely destroyed after the Gulf War, remained. Jihadists, insurgents and foreign (possibly Iranian) agitators turned to these stockpiles during the Iraq conflict — and may have brewed up their own deadly agents.

In August 2004, for instance, American forces surreptitiously purchased what they believed to be containers of liquid sulfur mustard, a toxic “blister agent” used as a chemical weapon since World War I. The troops tested the liquid, and “reported two positive results for blister.” The chemical was then “triple-sealed and transported to a secure site” outside their base.

Photo: Air War College

JRK, you wrote: "By late 2003, even the Bush White House’s staunchest defenders were starting to give up on the idea that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq."

If I'm not mistaken, that's the year I read Centcom stuff online, and they actually told about finding the stuff. First, they reported finding several million confidential papers in one of Saddam's capital and that it looked hopeful they could follow the trail of the WMDs. I'm pretty sure they reported finding a passel of bombs, some of which had traces of nuclear material that had been removed from them. They also reported finding a stock of deadly Sarin-type gas, enough to kill several hundreds of thousands of people and moreover, the gas was 10x as potent as regular Sarin, which is highly deadly. They also reported finding 36 gravesites with thousands and thousands of people in them who'd been mass-slaughtered. Men. Women. Children. Babies. Old people. All dead. There were pictures to back them up, pictures of people crying while our troops stood by them.

Now, all that is just something politicians turn into the pretense that nothing was there that would have justify war, when in fact, Saddam Hussein's neighborhood wars took over a million neighbors and half a million Iraqi citizens.

He kept rape rooms for himself, and both his sons had rape rooms and torture chambers. Their dogma was why use waterboarding when you can torture people to half an inch away from death to secure information before you raped their womenfolk in front of them as the last thing they would ever see in this life, the ultimate humiliation after so many other humiliations.

I'm sorry, there was more screaming bloody murder about Rachel Corrie and nothing at all was acknowledged by the leftist lockstep media about information coming out of Iraq that validated the war. Why? Take Rachel Corrie who wanted to die, and multiply that times 300,000 villagers of Kurdish origin who did not want to die, and slaughter them. Then slaughter a million of your neighbors on 3 sides in one coup after another, some of which earned the Iraqis exactly nothing.

Saddam burned Kuwaiti oil fields as he was leaving, leaving a spectacle the world will never forget if you were paying attention, but that was hushed by the leftist locksteppers because it was expedient for them to damage President Bush as much as they possibly could and play like President George H.W. Bush's attempted assassination was so slight it only served as a badminton swat at his son as they berated him "daddy this" and "daddy that" rather than the fact that it was Saddam Hussein who tried to murder an American President in retaliation for stopping his assault on Kuwait.

The press is a lard ass shithole of lies. I'm sick of them lying their asses off every second of every minute of every hour of every day of every week of every month of every year, droning on and on and on with lie after lie after pernicious lie, and the Democrats grinning like cheshire cats at each lie, like they just ate the last cookie in the cookie jar.

Now the Democrats are in alliance with liars again. They've got WikiLeaks and WikiOmissions and WikiLiars all over the place, pouring gasoline and setting it off with matches to destroy the US of A so the Democrats can push their little putrid case of Marxism off while acting as if making a living in the regular tried-and-true way is evil bad and horrible.

Democrats have this delusion that murdering all the bosses off and lying about the rest is going to win them everything they have coming, and I'm good and darn sick of the lying, bullshitting, obfuscating, and cramming bills down Congress' throat telling CONGRESSMEN not to read what they insist on that they pass.

Stupid people believe them, but that doesn't bother me.

What bothers me is that some seemingly smart people go along with it.
/soapbox.

 

[freedombecki]

why do you fell we did not have to fight it?

Because Iraq was no threat to us, nor to any of its neighbors. Because if we had not fought it, no dire consequences would have followed.

Oh, you missed the reports about Saddam's 10-year war with Iran, inflicting 950,000 casualties in that land over a god-damned 25-square mile piece of Iran's beaches? You missed the fact that he murdered thousands of Kuwaitis and was getting ready to mass murder the rest of them? Where have you been all of your life?

Having fun with your ignorance of the facts so you can cheaply achieve your daily quotas of damages to your political enemies?

Seems so.

 

[freedombecki]

It was never about dire consequences

Then it should not have been fought.

The only reason to go to war is if you have no choice.

You omitted the facts and cherry picked an opening line to proffer a lie against the truth on this website. You should be ashamed of your omission, but you probably get to go collect a tokie at the pokie for your jokie.

 

[freedombecki]

When the UN claimed that Saddam had all of this bad stuff un accounted for 1-27-2003
we had no choice

Yes, we did. We could have refused to invade Iraq. The possibility (since proven wrong) that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction did not justify going to war with Iraq, any more than the certainty beyond doubt that Russia, Great Britain, France, and China all have weapons of mass destruction justifies going to war with them.

Well, we didn't. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

 

[idb]

JRK it doesn't matter, the people that opposed the war won't change their stance.

They're two different discussions.
1. Were the objectives achieved?
2. Was it a just war?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Condi Rice even said there was no yellowcake.

I prefer chocolate anyway.

 

[rdean]

I have realized that the liberals are going to do what ever it takes to taint the great victory in Iraq
Does anyone realize that war is over and it looks like we will be 100% gone in 6 months?
That there is a republic in place?
and that women vote and hold office?
I had no idea that the liberal media and there cock suckers would go to the level they have to make the troops look bad and make the success they fought hard for look like, well ask Drock and that crew
I dont even know how to explain it
DOES ANYBODY CARE WE WON?

What did we win?

 

[Dot Com]

The "official" war lasted 3-4 days. Everything after that is nation-building.

 

[Dragon]

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Oh, you missed the reports about Saddam's 10-year war with Iran, inflicting 950,000 casualties in that land over a god-damned 25-square mile piece of Iran's beaches?

No, I was around for that. I believe President Reagan was in office when that happened, was he not? And did he take us to war with Iraq? No.

You missed the fact that he murdered thousands of Kuwaitis and was getting ready to mass murder the rest of them?

You seem kind of confused here. The war with Iraq we're discussing happened in 2003, not 1991, and it was the second Bush, not the first, who was president.

 

[rdean]

[
Oh, you missed the reports about Saddam's 10-year war with Iran, inflicting 950,000 casualties in that land over a god-damned 25-square mile piece of Iran's beaches?

No, I was around for that. I believe President Reagan was in office when that happened, was he not? And did he take us to war with Iraq? No.

You missed the fact that he murdered thousands of Kuwaitis and was getting ready to mass murder the rest of them?

You seem kind of confused here. The war with Iraq we're discussing happened in 2003, not 1991, and it was the second Bush, not the first, who was president.

Maybe that's why they think we won.

 

[Cuyo]

I have realized that the liberals are going to do what ever it takes to taint the great victory in Iraq
Does anyone realize that war is over and it looks like we will be 100% gone in 6 months?
That there is a republic in place?
and that women vote and hold office?
I had no idea that the liberal media and there cock suckers would go to the level they have to make the troops look bad and make the success they fought hard for look like, well ask Drock and that crew
I dont even know how to explain it
DOES ANYBODY CARE WE WON?

It's probably just that you define success a little more broadly than the rest of us.

If you spent a trillion dollars to hire a cop to stand on every corner of The Bronx 24/7, and crime dropped in The Bronx, would you declare victory in the war on crime?