Doctor fatally removed man's liver instead of spleen, authorities say

You called me a racist because I said the quality of the work is more important than the color of the worker's skin. I even went so far as to say the color of my doctor's skin doesn't matter to me at all as long as he's competent to do the work I need done.

You called that racist.

Here you are, making my case for me, and screeching that you're not a racist because all you're doing is pointing out that a white doctor killed a patient.

You called me racist for saying the quality of my doctor's work matters more to me than the color of his skin.

Can you make up your mind?
I call you a racist because you only say that in relation to blacks being hired. You dishonestly chose to face the reason why DEI was necessary. You also chose to ignore that DEI doesn't mean unqualified people are being hired. Your entire argument is racist.
 
I call you a racist because you only say that in relation to blacks being hired. You dishonestly chose not to admit the reason why DEI was necessary. You also chose to ignore that DEI doesn't mean unqualified people are being hired. Your entire argument is racist.
 
Unfortunatly it has happned before in the past. I would like to know what background checks does the state do to clear these folks before they are allowed to practice here. Here in Orlando a heart specialist was found to have phony documents and had done surgery before he was caught. He was turned in by his nurses and others. The problem is it is a good ol boy profession and they just go else where in the state and practice.
You would be hard-pressed to find a doctor in this country that isn't a foreigner.
There was a team of people in that OR. Did they say nothing when the Dr. started to remove the liver???
 
**** off, white man. I'm not going to go find out a damn thing. You have seen it done. You may even have done it yourself. White people don't have a DEI policy because no one denied whites jobs because of their color by law for nearly 200 years out of the 250 years America has been a country. Don't even try pretending that's all in the past when we have a president and most of the legislature who were born and raised during Jim Crow. While whites don't have a policy that says they must hire other whites, they just do it, say nothing, and then dishonest pricks like you can claim whites don't get hired based on race. DO YOU UNDERSTAND MF?
Quote me saying anything like that. I know you won't, because I haven't.
This is 2026, resonate the understanding in your thick white racist head that we know how the game is played by white racists. You only take your stance pertaining to people of color, you only talk about qualifications if it's someone who is not white. You can't possibly conceive that a white person could be hired because of race. That's why you get called an racist.
Once again I say, "quote me". I have NEVER, and I repeat, NEVER said that white people either are or are not hired because of their skin color. In fact, I have gone out of my way to say that no one should be preferred for a job because of their skin color. You call that racist.

While we're at it, you still have not told me why it's racist to hold everyone to the same standards. I make that statement and you say it's racist, yet cannot say why.
 
**** off, white man. I'm not going to go find out a damn thing. You have seen it done. You may even have done it yourself. White people don't have a DEI policy because no one denied whites jobs because of their color by law for nearly 200 years out of the 250 years America has been a country. Don't even try pretending that's all in the past when we have a president and most of the legislature who were born and raised during Jim Crow. While whites don't have a policy that says they must hire other whites, they just do it, say nothing, and then dishonest pricks like you can claim whites don't get hired based on race. DO YOU UNDERSTAND MF? This is 2026, resonate the understanding in your thick white racist head that we know how the game is played by white racists. You only take your stance pertaining to people of color, you only talk about qualifications if it's someone who is not white. You can't possibly conceive that a white person could be hired because of race. That's why you get called an racist.
and why i call you a phony....
 
I call you a racist because you only say that in relation to blacks being hired. You dishonestly chose to face the reason why DEI was necessary. You also chose to ignore that DEI doesn't mean unqualified people are being hired. Your entire argument is racist.
I was very clear on the subject. I said the racial makeup of a construction crew or the skin color of a doctor was irrelevant as long as they were competent. You said that is racist. As we can see from this story, incompetence doesn't know skin color, and IF that doctor got his job over better qualified minority doctors, there's a case to be made against the hospital. It's up to you now to prove that happened.
 
OMG! This is not the first time he removed the wrong part!

"In September 2024, the Florida Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo ordered an emergency suspension of Shaknovsky’s license. Ladapo had cited William Bryan's death and a prior incident in 2023, in which Shaknovsky removed a portion of a different patient's pancreas instead of the adrenal gland and purportedly claimed the adrenal gland had "migrated" to a different part of the body."

Who did he pay off to get his license back?
 
Quote me saying anything like that. I know you won't, because I haven't.

Once again I say, "quote me". I have NEVER, and I repeat, NEVER said that white people either are or are not hired because of their skin color. In fact, I have gone out of my way to say that no one should be preferred for a job because of their skin color. You call that racist.

While we're at it, you still have not told me why it's racist to hold everyone to the same standards. I make that statement and you say it's racist, yet cannot say why.
Your belief that people of color are hired because of color, not qualifications is racist. DEI and Affirmative Action were implemented so that QUALIFIED people of color would be considered for jobs they were excluded from because of race.

How many times does this have to be repeated to you?

One of the main problems with the belief in colorblindness coming from whites is that it ignores some 400 years of history. We could all go colorblind relative to race tomorrow, but the damage created by centuries of color-coded abuses will still exist. Whites will be colorblind then continue not hiring blacks because blacks do not have work experience. That lack of work experience would have been due to racism before everybody turned colorblind. But now that we are colorblind, we can ignore those years because we do not see color and only hire based on “merit.”

There is a reason such policies were created, and you do not end 200 years of white race based preferences by written law, and another 50 years of white racial preferences done covertly by creating policies that ignore the damage or inequities created by white racial preferences. Race should never have been a factor, but you are not going to fix the damage caused by white racial preferences without considering race. The solution those like you seem to want is akin to trying to solve alcoholism while still getting to drink.
 
Buckeye,

You don't say anything to the white when they bought up DEI when people were killed in those cRashes. So you can just go on somewhere with your whining.
 
I was very clear on the subject. I said the racial makeup of a construction crew or the skin color of a doctor was irrelevant as long as they were competent. You said that is racist. As we can see from this story, incompetence doesn't know skin color, and IF that doctor got his job over better qualified minority doctors, there's a case to be made against the hospital. It's up to you now to prove that happened.
Yes, you were very clear that you only mentioned this in reference to policies that were created to provide qualified people of color opportunities to get jobs they wee excluded from. I have nothing to prove to you because your opposition to the policies is based on racist assumptions. You can't conceive any situation where someone white is hired because of their race, even though I'm sure you've seen it done, but you think that blacks get hired only because of race.

So then tell me, how do we fix the 200-year head start whites had in almost every job category without considering race? The reason why whites have so much experience in every job category is because they used race to get it.
 
A.I will soon be replacing humans to conduct surgeries. This issue reminds us though that a human still has to direct the A.I as to what is needed to be removed. Perhaps it can be further improved by A.I conducting a test of sorts to understand if that body part is defective or subpar. This is a sad story regardless, far too common in our world of imperfection and even evil in some nations...
 
A.I will soon be replacing humans to conduct surgeries. This issue reminds us though that a human still has to direct the A.I as to what is needed to be removed. Perhaps it can be further improved by A.I conducting a test of sorts to understand if that body part is defective or subpar. This is a sad story regardless, far too common in our world of imperfection and even evil in some nations...
You ealy don't want AI doing surgery
 
Yes, you were very clear that you only mentioned this in reference to policies that were created to provide qualified people of color opportunities to get jobs they wee excluded from.
I also condemn unofficial policies that companies use to deny qualified minorities access to jobs. I am glad you mentioned "qualified". That saves a lot of questions, except this one: Why is it racist for me to hold everyone to the same quality standards but not for you to do so?
I have nothing to prove to you because your opposition to the policies is based on racist assumptions.
You know full well that anyone receiving official assistance such as lowered expectations is going to have their competence questioned and they carry a burden of proof that others do not. If I know, for example, that somebody got an engineering degree more because their daddy donated a scoreboard for the football field than because they mastered the necessary math and science to do the job, it stands to reason that I would question their competence and not want them designing a bridge I have to cross every day commuting to work. If I know a white guy cheated his way into getting a medical license but does not know the difference between a spleen and a liver, it stands to reason that I do not want him operating on me. Likewise, if I know someone got a job more because of their skin color than because of their qualifications, it stands to reason that I would question their competence, and yes, that applies to all skin colors. This is why I oppose lowering standards for some to "improve outcomes". It doesn't make things even, it lowers quality. You still haven't told me, BTW, why it's racist to hold everyone to the same standards. I've posed that to you multiple times and you've ignored it every time.
You can't conceive any situation where someone white is hired because of their race, even though I'm sure you've seen it done, but you think that blacks get hired only because of race.
Okay, there's where you stomp off into la-la land, because you don't have a clue what I think. You obviously don't, because you continue to accuse me of thinking things that I explicitly tell you I do not. That is your downfall and is why you have yet to convince me I'm a racist.
So then tell me, how do we fix the 200-year head start whites had in almost every job category without considering race?
What we have already done, which is to make official racial exclusion illegal. Look, you can't force people to change their attitudes and ranting at them CERTAINLY doesn't do anything more than make them dig their heels in harder. What we do is make it illegal to discriminate in hiring and normalize the appearance in minorities in every situation, which is what we are doing. Why do you think Tiger Woods dominated golf and Eminem dominated rap music? Not because standards were lowered for them, but because minority participation was normalized. It would no more be right for the rap music industry to reject Eminem on racial grounds than it would be for the PGA to reject Tiger on the same grounds.
The reason why whites have so much experience in every job category is because they used race to get it.
Is racism justified to fight racism? That is the question. I should also ask you why professional sports are approaching monoracial status. Should there not be DEI for short white players that can't run and jump or should sports remain a meritocracy? I notice that you never complain about extremely high-paying athletic positions going almost exclusively to black players. You say it's racist for someone to only comment on certain aspects of society, I invite you to look in the mirror. I applaud professional sports for becoming a meritocracy, BTW. There's no need for a Jackie Robinson anymore.

Each American generation is moving further away from racism than the previous ones. Look at the progress we have made since the Civil Rights era. Only YOU would claim there has been no progress at all. I live right outside of Richmond, VA and I don't see minorities forced to ride in the back of the bus, I don't see whites only signs, and I don't see racial conflicts like we see in northern cities where it seems that perpetual grievances are aired on the daily. My father went to medical school here in the 50's, and black patients had to use a different ER, different entrances, etc. to the hospital. No more. Now, when we moved to what was then British Honduras in the late 60's, now THAT was a racially stratified country.

It wasn't long ago that interracial couples in America were like a two headed man at the circus, cause for whispering and pointing. No more. It wasn't long ago that a black CEO was almost unheard of. No more. My son married a black woman and had two mixed race grandsons we adore. They all lived with us for more than ten years. It was not long ago that would have been almost unthinkable, and we might have had a cross burned on our yard. No more. Didn't even think about it.

Stop pretending that we still have slavery and that white racists are holding you down. They're not. Racial attitudes change if you allow them to change. Ranting on a daily basis at white people about something that most white people simply do not think or do only exacerbates the problem.
 
A.I will soon be replacing humans to conduct surgeries. This issue reminds us though that a human still has to direct the A.I as to what is needed to be removed. Perhaps it can be further improved by A.I conducting a test of sorts to understand if that body part is defective or subpar. This is a sad story regardless, far too common in our world of imperfection and even evil in some nations...
Probably not. What we will likely see is more robotic surgery, where the surgeon doesn't have to rely on steady hands to do very fine, small incisions and sutures. He'll be able to let go of the tools and know they will stay precisely where he left them. Also more likely will be remote surgery, where a surgeon can do multiple surgeries all around the country from his base hospital and we won't have to worry as much about shortages of highly skilled doctors. Local staff will take care of sedating the patient, prepping them and getting the robot set up. The surgeon could do a surgery in Topeka, take a break, then do another one in Omaha. A specialist could become very skilled in one type of surgery, improving outcomes.
 
Probably not. What we will likely see is more robotic surgery, where the surgeon doesn't have to rely on steady hands to do very fine, small incisions and sutures. He'll be able to let go of the tools and know they will stay precisely where he left them. Also more likely will be remote surgery, where a surgeon can do multiple surgeries all around the country from his base hospital and we won't have to worry as much about shortages of highly skilled doctors. Local staff will take care of sedating the patient, prepping them and getting the robot set up. The surgeon could do a surgery in Topeka, take a break, then do another one in Omaha. A specialist could become very skilled in one type of surgery, improving outcomes.

Imagine in 50 years?

Emerging Fully Autonomous AI Surgery​


In 2025, Johns Hopkins researchers demonstrated an AI-powered robot (SRT-H) performing a realistic gallbladder removal phase autonomously on pig models:


  • It achieved 100% success across trials, adapting to variations (e.g., different starting positions, blood-like dyes).
  • Motions were less jerky and trajectories shorter than human surgeons, though it took longer.
  • Results were comparable to expert human surgeons
 
Your belief that people of color are hired because of color, not qualifications is racist.
I should never have to state this again. I do not believe that people of color are hired for skin color, not qualifications, because I see qualified minorities everywhere. I do, however, believe that when skin color becomes more of a determinant than qualifications, quality suffers, and that applies across the board. I've said this multiple times, and it appears that you're not getting it because you keep coming back with the same nonsense. Stop it.
DEI and Affirmative Action were implemented so that QUALIFIED people of color would be considered for jobs they were excluded from because of race.

How many times does this have to be repeated to you?
And what have I said about DEI? I won't repeat it because I know you've seen it, but you also won't be allowed to project what somebody else says about it onto me.
One of the main problems with the belief in colorblindness coming from whites is that it ignores some 400 years of history. We could all go colorblind relative to race tomorrow, but the damage created by centuries of color-coded abuses will still exist.
Yes, it takes a large mass a lot of time and energy to change course. In this case you have millions of people whose ancestors held toxic attitudes, and it takes generations to change those attitudes. We are seeing great progress in this country. What did you see on TV in the 60's? White families. Black cops? No. Black judges? No. The only black families were ghetto caricatures. No more. Did you see interracial couples in public? Not very often, and when you did, they were the targets of whispers and pointing. No more.
Whites will be colorblind then continue not hiring blacks because blacks do not have work experience.
It takes time to correct that, and we have taken steps already to rectify that discrepancy. It is, for example, illegal to discriminate on the basis of skin color in hiring. We can't force attitudes to change, however, and there are still those who, for their own reasons, want to discriminate, but they're being pushed to the sidelines. It would seem that you would prefer they be mainstream, as you refuse to allow white America to marginalize them.
That lack of work experience would have been due to racism before everybody turned colorblind. But now that we are colorblind, we can ignore those years because we do not see color and only hire based on “merit.”
That's the ultimate goal, sure. What are you demanding, 200 years of black favoritism, one great wrong to address another great wrong, or do we tip the scales for a generation or two until opportunity is equalized and it's no longer sensational to see a black <fill in the blank>?
There is a reason such policies were created, and you do not end 200 years of white race based preferences by written law,
You don't end it, but you change attitudes with it. Case in point, seatbelts used to be totally voluntary and people didn't use them. Then they became mandatory, and now it's rare to see someone driving without one. Smoking used to be everywhere to the point you couldn't escape it, even in hospitals. Then it became illegal to smoke except in designated areas, and attitudes changed. You don't ever see anyone on TV smoking as a normal part of their day anymore. Attitudes change over time and the law can effect those attitudes. You will never totally get rid of black or white racism, especially if you keep acting like a black person in America literally is a slave.
and another 50 years of white racial preferences done covertly by creating policies that ignore the damage or inequities created by white racial preferences. Race should never have been a factor, but you are not going to fix the damage caused by white racial preferences without considering race. The solution those like you seem to want is akin to trying to solve alcoholism while still getting to drink.
Ah, you are making progress. At least now you are saying that I "seem to want" instead of automatically thinking you know what I want. No, you can't address past wrongs on the basis of skin color without noting skin color. What you do is make discriminating on the basis of skin color in hiring illegal and normalize the appearance of minorities in society.

Are we seeing black CEO's? Yes.
Are we seeing black actors, families, etc. in popular media? Yes.,
Are we seeing interracial couples, marriages, families? Yes.

We're making progress but you don't erase generations of toxic attitudes overnight. My daughter-in-law's family resents that their daughter married a white boy and gave him children, and that's not going to change any time soon.
 
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Imagine in 50 years?

Emerging Fully Autonomous AI Surgery​


In 2025, Johns Hopkins researchers demonstrated an AI-powered robot (SRT-H) performing a realistic gallbladder removal phase autonomously on pig models:


  • It achieved 100% success across trials, adapting to variations (e.g., different starting positions, blood-like dyes).
  • Motions were less jerky and trajectories shorter than human surgeons, though it took longer.
  • Results were comparable to expert human surgeons
That'll be awesome. What I do foresee, however, will be something similar to airline pilots. Today's planes can literally take off, fly a course, and land all by themselves, but we will always have humans in the cockpit. AI can do a lot, but it will take a long time before human patients will be willing to let a machine operate on them all by itself.
 
I've said this multiple times, and it appears that you're not getting it because you keep coming back with the same nonsense. Stop it.
IM2's entire shtick is to turn every issue down racist avenue Hadit......we could be talking about the weather ,and he'd be off his leash yet again.... :rolleyes: ~S~
 
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