Do you support Trump’s war on drugs

[longly]

Yeah I do but the problem will never end until there's no market. The problem is a moral problem and it begins and ends with us

In the nineteenth century, the Chinese became so addicted to drugs that they were unable to defend themselves against the British. After suffering that humiliation, they decided it had to stop. Their solution was to kill anyone associated with opium: a landowner could be executed for having a single opium plant growing on his land. Opium users were executed anywhere, and anyone with knowledge of opium use who failed to report it was also executed.

This began before the Communists in the 1800s, continued into the 20th century, and was even enforced by the Communists. The policy completely wiped-out opium use in China. So don’t say it can’t be done—it can be done. It just depends on how badly you want to do it.

I don’t think we have to go to that extreme, but we do need to take strong measures, because what we have been doing is not working. I don’t buy the slippery slope argument. As far as I’m concerned, your constitutional rights end at the border. As long as the government doesn’t blow up civilian aircraft over the United States, I don’t see the problem. And if you’re at war, you’re at war—you don’t read your enemy his rights. If you want to ensure that your constitutional rights are protected, just stay within the United States. This is war. This is something that has to be done if we value our children's future.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Where do they refuel once in international waters?

Why is it any of your ******* business?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The boats are heavily armed and would have to be destroyed even if we tried to stop them.

Those boats are NOT heavily armed. Armed is weight that could be carrying drugs.

 

[AZrailwhale]

I'm all for ending the flow of drugs into the USA but they wouldn't be sold here if there wasn't a market for them. Instead of bombing boats that "may" (or may not) have drugs, I suggest stopping the boats; confiscating the drugs AND the boats; arresting the dealers and putting them into work camps. The boats could be sold and the money made could be used to pay down the national debt. The new labor force could "do the jobs that Americans won't."

The boats are being destroyed because they refuse to stop.

 

[Failzero]

We need to wage a real war on Drugs ( finally )

 

[SaxonJackson]

The boats are being destroyed because they refuse to stop.

Is the USA the world's police department? Is the USA really moral enough to police the rest of the world? Doesn't the USA abort their babies and allow men to beat up women in the boxing ring? Don't we allow drag queens to read books to Kindergarteners? Isn't America guilty of legalizing "gay marriage?" Doesn't the USA have one of the highest homeless populations and don't we have one of the highest crime rates? Doesn't the CIA deal in drugs and participate in other criminal activities?

Who made the USA the world's arbiters of morality and justice? We need to clean up our own backyard before pointing out the trash in someone else's.

 

[SaxonJackson]

We need to wage a real war on Drugs ( finally )

We've been waging war on drugs since the 50s. Where has it gotten us? In the meantime, the government bends over backwards to give Pfizer carte blanche to foist all sorts of dangerous "FDA Approved" garbage down American's throats in the name of "health care." Trump's Covid Vaccine was one of the worst.

 

[toobfreak]

We need to wage a real war on Drugs ( finally )

The real war on drugs will come where society grows to the point of not making so many people's lives hell. Right now, every person is pitted against the other, prospering at other's expense. When man grows to where he realizes there is more to gain by cooperating and helping your fellow man realize full self-actualization so that a large portion of our society is no longer forced to live in poverty and slums and people don't need drugs to feel better or commit crimes to survive, the drug problem will naturally go away.

 

[buttercup]

Is the USA the world's police department? Is the USA really moral enough to police the rest of the world? Doesn't the USA abort their babies and allow men to beat up women in the boxing ring? Don't we allow drag queens to read books to Kindergarteners? Isn't America guilty of legalizing "gay marriage?" Doesn't the USA have one of the highest homeless populations and don't we have one of the highest crime rates? Doesn't the CIA deal in drugs and participate in other criminal activities?

Who made the USA the world's arbiters of morality and justice? We need to clean up our own backyard before pointing out the trash in someone else's.

STANDING OVATION

 

[toobfreak]

Who made the USA the world's arbiters of morality and justice? We need to clean up our own backyard before pointing out the trash in someone else's.

I think the whole problem goes back to the concept of manifest destiny, the idea that what was good for America was good for the world because God was behind it.

This allowed us to write treaties for the Indians that only we could read, then we read the treaties to them and told them what they meant before their signing them. Then we surprised them with what the treaties REALLY meant.

Turns out we lied.

 

[Correll]

You really are the ******* stupid aren't you?

Your inability to articulate your disagreement, is because on some level, you realize that I completely hit the nail on the head.

YOU side with the druggies because they are brown and you thus want them to win, ie continue to kill Americans with drugs.


It is part of being a cool and progressive lib. You have to be on the RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY.

ie AGAINST the "boring old white guys".

 

[rightwinger]

"International law"... Bwahahahahaha!!!

I forgot…

Laws don’t apply to Trump

 

[SaxonJackson]

I think the whole problem goes back to the concept of manifest destiny, the idea that what was good for America was good for the world because God was behind it.

This allowed us to write treaties for the Indians that only we could read, then we read the treaties to them and told them what they meant before their signing them. Then we surprised them with what the treaties REALLY meant.

Turns out we lied.

I can't argue with that. But at least we allowed them to survive and they are granted many benefits to this day. We don't do like other tiny little nations do and commit a literal genocide when a few of their "braves" commit crimes in our nation. We punish the individuals responsible for the crimes and refrain from bombing all the "squaws" and "papooses" in retaliation. That's something that Israel might choose to do (with Trump's financial support and weapons deals, of course).

But it sounds like you're opposed to lying. So am I and that's why I'm opposed to Trump.

 

[eagle1462010]

IDGAF about Drug dealers getting taken out.

They are not nice people. Want sympathy??

You have come to the wrong place.

 

[Woodznutz]

The real war on drugs will come where society grows to the point of not making so many people's lives hell. Right now, every person is pitted against the other, prospering at other's expense. When man grows to where he realizes there is more to gain by cooperating and helping your fellow man realize full self-actualization so that a large portion of our society is no longer forced to live in poverty and slums and people don't need drugs to feel better or commit crimes to survive, the drug problem will naturally go away.

AI will displace millions of jobs and cause massive drug use in the future. Poverty will increase, not decrease.

 

[Polishprince]

Not if he is breaking the law

What "law" would he be breaking?

Its perfectly legal to intercept drug shipments, particularly when the liberal regime in Venezuela refuses to.

 

[Woodznutz]

Drug enforcement must be done at all levels which means possessing and consuming even small amounts must be prosecuted. You can't make laws allowing "small amounts for personal use" which by the way is the cartels actual marketing plan and expect to win the war.

Criminal gangs are the main distribution arm of the cartels. Racketeering laws against whole gangs must be enforced to break this link in the chain.

Dealers (the final link) who sell to users shouldn't be arrested but used as "bait" to catch users. We're doing it all backwards.

 

[rightwinger]

What "law" would he be breaking?

Its perfectly legal to intercept drug shipments, particularly when the liberal regime in Venezuela refuses to.

There is a difference in pulling over a boat and searching it vs blowing it out of the water

 

[Woodznutz]

There is a difference in pulling over a boat and searching it vs blowing it out of the water

Just follow it to its refueling stop then pounce. Offload the perps then destroy the boat and the drugs.

 

[Deadstick]

According to the UN it does

No

International law has no authority over US law

Marijuana is legal in most states. That in and of itself, stuck the war on drugs up Richard Nixons ass, and broke it off in Ronald Reagans.

There is no shortage of cocaine, or meth availability anywhere. New drugs like fentanyl have replaced heroin altogether.

Prosecutors in every state don't even bother prosecuting possession of any of it, anymore, as there is no room in local jails, and no budgets for new prisons.

You can even watch cop shows on television now, that show cops everywhere just taking what little drugs they find, and releasing people at traffic stops.

You got your ass handed to you in the war on drugs. Its ******* embarrassing how badly you lost.

99% of marijuana that is consumed in the US is produced here. The majority of all other narcotics come through ports of call, and across land borders with absolute impunity.

The international drug cartels are multinational, multibillion dollar organizations, that now have political cover from every government in the world, including ours. They own shipping, distribution companies, warehouses, have logistical support. They have ownership in legitimate companies here, and all over the world.

The entire United States military could not shut down the opium, and heroin coming out of Afghanistan after a 20 year occupation, and a live shooting war.

Exactly what planet is it that you live on? Is the sky blue there?

Great post, and don't forget the domestic labs in the US producing drugs like meths, the only thing i would question is in that 20 year occupation of Afghanistan did they really try to shut the Opium trade down? i know at one time the Taliban banned the growing of the Poppy not sure how that went.