Do you support Trump’s war on drugs

Do you support Trump’s war on drugs

  • yes

    Votes: 21 58.3%
  • No

    Votes: 10 27.8%
  • other

    Votes: 5 13.9%

  • Total voters
    36
There was to the Indians. Why do you think settlers were greeted with spears, arrows and tomahawks?


Maybe to the English, but it was settled and occupied already to the Indians.


Not to us, but maybe there was to them.


Right. The western european could not have stolen anything because the people they never met who they didn't know were there didn't have a european treaty with us. But then, there was no word for treaty in the Indian parlance and what treaties we drew up were written in a language they didn't read then we lied to them as to the contents.
Did the Indians issue any lawsuits? Nope.

Were the Indians at constant war with each other long before the settlers came along? Yup.

Huge swaths of land were unoccupied when the settlers moved westward.

If the Indians want to claim all of America ... they're more than free to try.
 
There was to the Indians. Why do you think settlers were greeted with spears, arrows and tomahawks?


Maybe to the English, but it was settled and occupied already to the Indians.


Not to us, but maybe there was to them.


Right. The western european could not have stolen anything because the people they never met who they didn't know were there didn't have a european treaty with us. But then, there was no word for treaty in the Indian parlance and what treaties we drew up were written in a language they didn't read then we lied to them as to the contents.
Indians warred over land with other tribes but they were no match for the Euro war machine and weapons in the end.
 
There were no laws against immigration to this land. There were some nomads roaming the countryside but no laws were set in stone, so to speak. It was open territory. It was unsettled. There was no cohesive civilization. So nothing was "stolen" if there were no official claims on the land.

But this conversation has nothing to do with Trump's "war on drugs." There is no "war on drugs." America wants Venezuela's oil and other resources. This "war on drugs" nonsense is a strawman and has been at least since the Bush days.
Riiiight, just like the USA wanted Iraq’s and Kuwait’s oil and resources and took none. Not even enough to offset our expenses in fighting for their freedom.
 
Trump may be killing innocent people with his show of force from a draft dodger president. Cowards are often show offs.


Innocent people don’t operate open boats on the open ocean with cargos of bales and barrels powered by nearly fifteen hundred horsepower and refuse to heave to for inspection on demand.
 
Well, true. The Indians were a mostly tribal, nomadic neolithic society. They fought among each other for land, food, and other things (much as we still do today). But I don't see how that justifies our coming in, lying to them, brutalizing them, and taking all their land driving them to the brink of extermination.
It was a different time. Up until just a little over 100 years ago, the concept of “right by conquest” was universal—everyone believed in it and thought it was the right thing. If you could take what someone else had, that meant God approved of what you were doing. I'm not saying there were no dissenters—there are always those people—but they were a very small minority.

It wasn’t until Woodrow Wilson, around the turn of the 20th century, that attempts were made to change this idea. Even today, in some countries in Africa, conquest is still considered acceptable. Many Africans don’t seem to have a problem with Putin trying to take Ukraine’s land, and that is happening in the present—not over 100 years ago.

To change the rules retroactively is hypocrisy.
 
Did the Indians issue any lawsuits?
Indians didn't use lawsuits. That is a western concept.

Were the Indians at constant war with each other
Of course they were often. That is how they settled things. Strike Two, completely irrelevant to the question.

Huge swaths of land were unoccupied when the settlers moved westward.
Gee, who would ever want huge swaths of unoccupied land! Every square inch of every part of this country should be filled up with people, factories, and apartment buildings. :uhh:

If the Indians want to claim all of America ...
They don't need to claim anything--- they were here living about 40,000 years before we ever set foot here.
 
Indians warred over land with other tribes but they were no match for the Euro war machine and weapons in the end.

Of course not. European settlers were about 10,000 years ahead of them on the technological scale.
 
That is a political opinion.
It is a well established fact. Americans learned it a century ago with the Volstead Act and alcohol. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. We are repeating the mistakes of a century ago, and the demagog Trumpanyahu is leading the weak-minded like the Pied Piper. We have the government we deserve.
 
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Nah, they are on par with interdicting users, just easier to sell.
Nearly a million overdose "victims" show up in the ED's each year. There's your low hanging fruit. They can be taken directly to treatment from there. If they refuse emergency treatment and die in an alley somewhere that helps with the solution.
 

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