Do you support Trump’s war on drugs

[buttercup]

That was essentially what Gary Webb discovered 20 years ago. I learned it in Vietnam as a young lieutenant. Some folks' minds are so closed they cannot imagine it.

Also, Terry Reed. Does no one here remember what happened in Mena Arkansas, back when Bubba Clinton was governor? Others who tried to expose this ended up dead.

I've mentioned this book before, but it sounds like a lot of people here need to read Compromised: Clinton, Bush and the CIA by Terry Reed.

 

[Leo123]

Not realistic.

It's already happening in CA. About the only thing CA has gotten right.

 

[Woodznutz]

It's already happening in CA. About the only thing CA has gotten right.

The pot situation in CA is a mess last I heard.

 

[Leo123]

The pot situation in CA is a mess last I heard.

What have you heard exactly?

 

[Woodznutz]

What have you heard exactly?

Legal pot stores are closing due to overregulation, taxes and fees. The illegal market share is still very large.

https://cannabis.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2025/03/Report-on-the-Condition-and-Health-of-the-Cannabis-Industry-FNL-03.06.25.pdf

 

[toobfreak]

I can't argue with that. But at least we allowed them to survive and they are granted many benefits to this day.

Many Indians would disagree with that. The Indians were nearly exterminated, those who survived, huddled into camps and forced to walk long distances, those who didn't die along the way stuffed into reservations built upon the poorest, most undesirable land. They were not even allowed to vote until what? The 1920s? And to this day, some of them still have trouble getting driver's licenses and voter registration cards because their address is a reservation and not a home.

But it sounds like you're opposed to lying. So am I and that's why I'm opposed to Trump.

Problem is, I don't know that or when Trump is lying or why. He was the best choice for office by far. I will wait to see how things play out in the long run. Trump's "lies" might merely be misdirection aimed at keeping the Left or the Media off balance. Part of being honest is being honest with oneself that you or I really have no idea what Trump is doing or why. All we know is what the MSM tell us.

 

[Leo123]

Legal pot stores are closing due to overregulation, taxes and fees. The illegal market share is still very large.

https://cannabis.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2025/03/Report-on-the-Condition-and-Health-of-the-Cannabis-Industry-FNL-03.06.25.pdf

Not where I am. The pot stores are doing well. That being said, when it was first legalized, everybody and their uncle rushed to get pot store licenses and you could see them on about every block. A lot of those places closed. Also, now you can buy it on line.

 

[toobfreak]

So Fascists make Trannies & Communists & Poor Folks ( Minorities ) do Drugs ?

You don't read very well. I said that many people including those most vulnerable at the bottom tiers of society often fall back on drug use as the only means of escaping from a daily life and world they find otherwise unbearable.

With increased quality of life comes less interest in needing drugs to escape reality.

Everyone wants quality of life, unfortunately, it is now often reserved only for the uber-rich, and as we both know, many people gaining tremendous wealth often do it through criminal means.

 

[Leo123]

Many Indians would disagree with that. The Indians were nearly exterminated, those who survived, huddled into camps and forced to walk long distances, those who didn't die along the way stuffed into reservations built upon the poorest, most undesirable land. They were not even allowed to vote until what? The 1920s? And to this day, some of them still have trouble getting driver's licenses and voter registration cards because their address is a reservation and not a home.


Problem is, I don't know that or when Trump is lying or why. He was the best choice for office by far. I will wait to see how things play out in the long run. Trump's "lies" might merely be misdirection aimed at keeping the Left or the Media off balance. Part of being honest is being honest with oneself that you or I really have no idea what Trump is doing or why. All we know is what the MSM tell us.

The Indian wars lasted for a hundred years, they lost. They were killing each other for a long time before we arrived and would sometimes wipe out whole tribes. If we were like most conquerors, we would have killed all he men, rape the women and take the kids.

The leftists will pick on anything Trump says to try to make it some kind of huge crime. It really is getting tiring. I think back on the Biden years. If we were like the Democrats, Biden would have been jailed just for not protecting our border.

 

[toobfreak]

The Indian wars lasted for a hundred years, they lost. They were killing each other for a long time before we arrived and would sometimes wipe out whole tribes.

Well, true. The Indians were a mostly tribal, nomadic neolithic society. They fought among each other for land, food, and other things (much as we still do today). But I don't see how that justifies our coming in, lying to them, brutalizing them, and taking all their land driving them to the brink of extermination.

 

[SaxonJackson]

Many Indians would disagree with that. The Indians were nearly exterminated, those who survived, huddled into camps and forced to walk long distances, those who didn't die along the way stuffed into reservations built upon the poorest, most undesirable land. They were not even allowed to vote until what? The 1920s? And to this day, some of them still have trouble getting driver's licenses and voter registration cards because their address is a reservation and not a home.


Problem is, I don't know that or when Trump is lying or why. He was the best choice for office by far. I will wait to see how things play out in the long run. Trump's "lies" might merely be misdirection aimed at keeping the Left or the Media off balance. Part of being honest is being honest with oneself that you or I really have no idea what Trump is doing or why. All we know is what the MSM tell us.

The Indians weren't innocent saints. Some were decent people who helped and worked with Whites while others were literal savages (thus a common description of old). Had I been in charge, I would have done things differently. I have nothing against the idea of reservations but I would have given them some choice land and more aid.

Lying is wrong regardless of the reason. We lost one of the most conservative Congressional representatives due to Trump's actual words. That's why it's important to control the tongue. Trump is incapable of controlling his tongue. He's a mental Kindergartner and an embarrassment -- In My Honest Opinion.

 

[SaxonJackson]

The Indian wars lasted for a hundred years, they lost. They were killing each other for a long time before we arrived and would sometimes wipe out whole tribes. If we were like most conquerors, we would have killed all he men, rape the women and take the kids.

Full agreement.

 

[toobfreak]

The Indians weren't innocent saints. Some were decent people who helped and worked with Whites while others were literal savages

At least from our point of view. The settlers were 10,000 years ahead of the Indians so sure, they seemed like savages.

None of this has any bearing on our coming here and taking their land. It is really none of our business how they lived. We came and took it all simply because we felt our need far outweighed the injustice of it all.

 

[Leo123]

Well, true. The Indians were a mostly tribal, nomadic neolithic society. They fought among each other for land, food, and other things (much as we still do today). But I don't see how that justifies our coming in, lying to them, brutalizing them, and taking all their land driving them to the brink of extermination.

Here is a good video on the subject, I think it's pretty fair:

 

[toobfreak]

Here is a good video on the subject, I think it's pretty fair:

Yes, the Indians were civilized in many ways, the main thing that differed was their form of justice.

Indian justice was absolute and final.

To an Indian, another Indian's words were good as gold. White man needs a written contract. The Indians had a certain integrity, morality and way of life that totally escapes modern european man.

 

[Leo123]

Yes, the Indians were civilized in many ways, the main thing that differed was their form of justice.

Indian justice was absolute and final.

To an Indian, another Indian's words were good as gold. White man needs a written contract. The Indians had a certain integrity, morality and way of life that totally escapes modern european man.

I don't think we white men are beyond a handshake deal. I have made deals like that many times. Last week, a guy I know here said I could use his log splitter. I asked what he would charge, he said, 'just keep track of the time you use it and pay me what you can.' When he came to pick it up I told him how long I used it and paid him. No paper, no contract, no nothing like I would have had to do if I went to a rental place.

 

[toobfreak]

I don't think we white men are beyond a handshake deal. I have made deals like that many times.

No, we are not above a handshake. Just that in Indian parlance, the handshake, the word WAS The contract. You did not break it, or broke it at risk to your own life.

A handshake or word may or may not be good enough to white men. It is considered informal tender between friends, but disputed in court, it will fall short of binding as the court does not recognize honor nor integrity.

 

[SaxonJackson]

At least from our point of view. The settlers were 10,000 years ahead of the Indians so sure, they seemed like savages.

None of this has any bearing on our coming here and taking their land. It is really none of our business how they lived. We came and took it all simply because we felt our need far outweighed the injustice of it all.

There were no laws against immigration to this land. There were some nomads roaming the countryside but no laws were set in stone, so to speak. It was open territory. It was unsettled. There was no cohesive civilization. So nothing was "stolen" if there were no official claims on the land.

But this conversation has nothing to do with Trump's "war on drugs." There is no "war on drugs." America wants Venezuela's oil and other resources. This "war on drugs" nonsense is a strawman and has been at least since the Bush days.

 

[toobfreak]

There were no laws against immigration to this land.

There was to the Indians. Why do you think settlers were greeted with spears, arrows and tomahawks?

It was open territory. It was unsettled.

Maybe to the English, but it was settled and occupied already to the Indians.

There was no cohesive civilization.

Not to us, but maybe there was to them.

So nothing was "stolen" if there were no official claims on the land.

Right. The western european could not have stolen anything because the people they never met who they didn't know were there didn't have a european treaty with us. But then, there was no word for treaty in the Indian parlance and what treaties we drew up were written in a language they didn't read then we lied to them as to the contents.

 

[Essence of Chicagoland Ar]

Do you support Trump’s war on drugs? He’s actively going after drug smugglers on the open seas. I support this. I think it’s about time. People who push and import drugs into the United States are killing and enslaving Americans. Tell me that addiction to drugs is not a form of slavery—it is. Drugs are addictive, and people will steal or do whatever they have to in order to get the money to buy them. This causes most of the crime in our country, much of the violent crime if not most. So I think it’s legitimate. I just wish that Congress would declare an actual war—not against any particular country, but against the organizations themselves—and specifically authorize strikes at sea. Drug smugglers caught at the border should be arrested by the military and sent to Guantanamo. Away from the border, drug arrests would be handled by the DEA.

Someone has to draw the line finally.