Do You Support The "Gun Show Loophole?"

[Jarlaxle]

dont people have something better to do that attend a gun show all day? I'll go to a gun shop and get my gun in less than 5 minutes. If you have to look around, I wonder about your IQ

You don't know a damn thing about guns, do you. (That isn't a question.)

 

[OKTexas]

More: Gun Control in the Old West? Facts and Fiction

Funny you would point to something that happened 31 years before they became a state.

Kansas became a state in 1861.

Dodge City, Kansas: Ordinance No. 67 enacted August 14th 1882 specified that no one could “carry concealed or otherwise about his or her person, any pistol, bowie knife, slung shot or other dangerous or deadly weapons, except County, City, or United Sates Officers” and raised the fine from twenty-five dollars to one hundred dollars, no small amount in 1882. The Dodge City Times declared: “There is a disposition to do away with the carrying of firearms, and we hope the feeling will become general. The carrying of firearms is a barbarous custom, and it’s time the practice was broken up.”

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Yep and AZ which you quoted first didn't become a state till 1912, thus my comment.

 

[M14 Shooter]

So it is somewhat surprising to realize that many counties and towns in the West during the late 1800’s had stiffer gun control laws then they do in the modern era.

Ordinance No. 9

“To Provide against Carrying of Deadly Weapons” (effective April 19, 1881).

Section 1: “It is hereby declared to be unlawful for any person to carry deadly weapons, concealed or otherwise [except the same be carried openly in sight, and in the hand] within the limits of the City of Tombstone.

Section 2: This prohibition does not extend to persons immediately leaving or entering the city, who, with good faith, and within reasonable time are proceeding to deposit, or take from the place of deposit such deadly weapon.

Section 3: All fire-arms of every description, and bowie knives and dirks, are included within the prohibition of this ordinance.”

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....except the same be carried openly in sight, and in the hand...

You could carry anything you wanted, openly. Wow. That's strict.

 

[Lakhota]

So it is somewhat surprising to realize that many counties and towns in the West during the late 1800’s had stiffer gun control laws then they do in the modern era.

Ordinance No. 9

“To Provide against Carrying of Deadly Weapons” (effective April 19, 1881).

Section 1: “It is hereby declared to be unlawful for any person to carry deadly weapons, concealed or otherwise [except the same be carried openly in sight, and in the hand] within the limits of the City of Tombstone.

Section 2: This prohibition does not extend to persons immediately leaving or entering the city, who, with good faith, and within reasonable time are proceeding to deposit, or take from the place of deposit such deadly weapon.

Section 3: All fire-arms of every description, and bowie knives and dirks, are included within the prohibition of this ordinance.”

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....except the same be carried openly in sight, and in the hand...

You could carry anything you wanted, openly. Wow. That's strict.

Yeah, and that was also pre-Constitution. HOWEVER, let's see you quote my post on Dodge City, Kansas...which was post-Constitution...

 

[OKTexas]

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....except the same be carried openly in sight, and in the hand...

You could carry anything you wanted, openly. Wow. That's strict.

Yeah, and that was also pre-Constitution. HOWEVER, let's see you quote my post on Dodge City, Kansas...which was post-Constitution...

Was the Dodge City law ever challenged in court or did people just bend over and take it. I'd say the latter, not many lawyers back then willing to challenge the establishment.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

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....except the same be carried openly in sight, and in the hand...

You could carry anything you wanted, openly. Wow. That's strict.

Yeah, and that was also pre-Constitution. HOWEVER, let's see you quote my post on Dodge City, Kansas...which was post-Constitution...

How was it pre-Constitution? Does the fact that the same guy wrote both ordinances matter to you at all?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

....except the same be carried openly in sight, and in the hand...

You could carry anything you wanted, openly. Wow. That's strict.

Yeah, and that was also pre-Constitution. HOWEVER, let's see you quote my post on Dodge City, Kansas...which was post-Constitution...

Was the Dodge City law ever challenged in court or did people just bend over and take it. I'd say the latter, not many lawyers back then willing to challenge the establishment.

Especially when the establishment had a reputation for shooting people.

 

[GuyPinestra]

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Funny you would point to something that happened 31 years before they became a state.

Kansas became a state in 1861.

Dodge City, Kansas: Ordinance No. 67 enacted August 14th 1882 specified that no one could “carry concealed or otherwise about his or her person, any pistol, bowie knife, slung shot or other dangerous or deadly weapons, except County, City, or United Sates Officers” and raised the fine from twenty-five dollars to one hundred dollars, no small amount in 1882. The Dodge City Times declared: “There is a disposition to do away with the carrying of firearms, and we hope the feeling will become general. The carrying of firearms is a barbarous custom, and it’s time the practice was broken up.”

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You're an idiot, LickScrotum, he was referencing the law in Tombstone, Arizona.

All you had to do was READ what was there, dumbass.

 

[OKTexas]

Funny you would point to something that happened 31 years before they became a state.

Kansas became a state in 1861.

Dodge City, Kansas: Ordinance No. 67 enacted August 14th 1882 specified that no one could “carry concealed or otherwise about his or her person, any pistol, bowie knife, slung shot or other dangerous or deadly weapons, except County, City, or United Sates Officers” and raised the fine from twenty-five dollars to one hundred dollars, no small amount in 1882. The Dodge City Times declared: “There is a disposition to do away with the carrying of firearms, and we hope the feeling will become general. The carrying of firearms is a barbarous custom, and it’s time the practice was broken up.”

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You're an idiot, LickScrotum, he was referencing the law in Tombstone, Arizona.

All you had to do was READ what was there, dumbass.

No reason to get testy, I got this.

 

[Lakhota]

Funny you would point to something that happened 31 years before they became a state.

Kansas became a state in 1861.

Dodge City, Kansas: Ordinance No. 67 enacted August 14th 1882 specified that no one could “carry concealed or otherwise about his or her person, any pistol, bowie knife, slung shot or other dangerous or deadly weapons, except County, City, or United Sates Officers” and raised the fine from twenty-five dollars to one hundred dollars, no small amount in 1882. The Dodge City Times declared: “There is a disposition to do away with the carrying of firearms, and we hope the feeling will become general. The carrying of firearms is a barbarous custom, and it’s time the practice was broken up.”

More: Gun Control in the Old West? Facts and Fiction

You're an idiot, LickScrotum, he was referencing the law in Tombstone, Arizona.

All you had to do was READ what was there, dumbass.

Sounds like one of us doesn't read very well...

Tombstone, Arizona gun ban was Ordinance No. 9 in 1881. Arizona was not a state at that time.

Dodge City, Kansas gun ban was Ordinance No. 67 in 1882. Kansas had already been a state for about 21 years.

 

[PaulS1950]

In 2010? the city of Seattle, WA. passed a law against carrying guns in public parks. It was rapidly overturned by the State with the state's supremacy act. It says roughly that the State's fiream laws over-ride any stricter local laws.

 

[GuyPinestra]

Funny you would point to something that happened 31 years before they became a state.

Kansas became a state in 1861.

Dodge City, Kansas: Ordinance No. 67 enacted August 14th 1882 specified that no one could “carry concealed or otherwise about his or her person, any pistol, bowie knife, slung shot or other dangerous or deadly weapons, except County, City, or United Sates Officers” and raised the fine from twenty-five dollars to one hundred dollars, no small amount in 1882. The Dodge City Times declared: “There is a disposition to do away with the carrying of firearms, and we hope the feeling will become general. The carrying of firearms is a barbarous custom, and it’s time the practice was broken up.”

More: Gun Control in the Old West? Facts and Fiction

Yep and AZ which you quoted first didn't become a state till 1912, thus my comment.

Kansas became a state in 1861.



More: Gun Control in the Old West? Facts and Fiction

You're an idiot, LickScrotum, he was referencing the law in Tombstone, Arizona.

All you had to do was READ what was there, dumbass.

Sounds like one of us doesn't read very well...

Tombstone, Arizona gun ban was Ordinance No. 9 in 1881. Arizona was not a state at that time.

Dodge City, Kansas gun ban was Ordinance No. 67 in 1882. Kansas had already been a state for about 21 years.

See the bolded above, idiot...

 

[ima]

You know blunt objects kill more people than rifles of all types, much less your so called assault rifles. But hey let's not let facts get in the way of a good fantasy.

When was the last time mass murder in a school was done with a blunt object?

So now only people who die in mass shootings only matter to the argument, is that what you're saying? Seems to me, tunnel vision, when considering policy for a country of 320 million people is a bit of an asinine way to approach it. You have clearly demonstrated no real knowledge of the subject yet you think you have an informed opinion just because of what you hear on the MSM. Trust me, you don't.

No, that was an example. "Semantics, the last bastion of a loser" - OKTexas

Question: if a right isn't based on need as you said in an earlier post, shouldn't it be ok then for civilians to possess grenades, Stinger missiles, land mines, nukes and anything else?

 

[Bfgrn]

The Founding Fathers had gun laws so restrictive that today’s NRA leaders would never support them



The Founding Fathers had gun laws so restrictive that today’s NRA leaders would never support them.



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What a bullshit article.

I just read it and while it makes the claim, it does nothing to support it. Just like most liberals, they expect us to believe what they say is true without supporting evidence that can be verified.

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan

The author is a constitutional law professor. He has done extensive research on the subject for his [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Gunfight-Battle-over-Right-America/dp/0393077411"]book[/ame].

But you are free to emote.

Where this book is most interesting and useful is in the sections in which Mr. Winkler examines the early history of gun rights and gun control in the United States. Of the founding fathers, he argues that they “understood that gun rights had to be balanced with public safety needs.” He writes that “they supported forcible disarmament of slaves, free blacks, and people of mixed race out of fear that these groups would use guns to revolt against slave masters.” He says that before the Revolution, “at least one colony, Maryland, passed a law barring Catholics from possessing firearms”

 

[GuyPinestra]

The Founding Fathers had gun laws so restrictive that today’s NRA leaders would never support them



The Founding Fathers had gun laws so restrictive that today’s NRA leaders would never support them.



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What a bullshit article.

I just read it and while it makes the claim, it does nothing to support it. Just like most liberals, they expect us to believe what they say is true without supporting evidence that can be verified.

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.
Daniel Patrick Moynihan

The author is a constitutional law professor. He has done extensive research on the subject for his [ame="http://www.amazon.com/Gunfight-Battle-over-Right-America/dp/0393077411"]book[/ame].

But you are free to emote.

Where this book is most interesting and useful is in the sections in which Mr. Winkler examines the early history of gun rights and gun control in the United States. Of the founding fathers, he argues that they “understood that gun rights had to be balanced with public safety needs.” He writes that “they supported forcible disarmament of slaves, free blacks, and people of mixed race out of fear that these groups would use guns to revolt against slave masters.” He says that before the Revolution, “at least one colony, Maryland, passed a law barring Catholics from possessing firearms”

You use racism and religious bigotry to justify your unConstitutional stupidity?



THAT figures!!

 

[nodoginnafight]

More than 90 percent of all US voters support background checks for all gun purchases.

Even the NRA can't get around those numbers.

I didn't think you could get a 90% mandate on anything.

 

[Spoonman]

More than 90 percent of all US voters support background checks for all gun purchases.

Even the NRA can't get around those numbers.

I didn't think you could get a 90% mandate on anything.

That is in large part because they haven't defined what those background checks look like or who has access to the information and what is stored. they assume it will be a simple as look up a database that shows if a person has ever been convicted of a felony. But most proposals on the table aren't that vanilla. I think when the final reccomendations come to light people will start getting concerned with rights being violated and what else this information will effect.

As it is today, the only sales that do not require a background check are person to person sales. and this is an extremely small percentage. now what happens when an individual seller starts having access to your private data?

 

[nodoginnafight]

More than 90 percent of all US voters support background checks for all gun purchases.

Even the NRA can't get around those numbers.

I didn't think you could get a 90% mandate on anything.

That is in large part because they haven't defined what those background checks look like or who has access to the information and what is stored. they assume it will be a simple as look up a database that shows if a person has ever been convicted of a felony. But most proposals on the table aren't that vanilla. I think when the final reccomendations come to light people will start getting concerned with rights being violated and what else this information will effect.

As it is today, the only sales that do not require a background check are person to person sales. and this is an extremely small percentage. now what happens when an individual seller starts having access to your private data?

They don't have to.
All they have to do is take the basics to a gun dealer and get a thumbs up or thumbs down.

 

[Spoonman]

More than 90 percent of all US voters support background checks for all gun purchases.

Even the NRA can't get around those numbers.

I didn't think you could get a 90% mandate on anything.

That is in large part because they haven't defined what those background checks look like or who has access to the information and what is stored. they assume it will be a simple as look up a database that shows if a person has ever been convicted of a felony. But most proposals on the table aren't that vanilla. I think when the final reccomendations come to light people will start getting concerned with rights being violated and what else this information will effect.

As it is today, the only sales that do not require a background check are person to person sales. and this is an extremely small percentage. now what happens when an individual seller starts having access to your private data?

They don't have to.
All they have to do is take the basics to a gun dealer and get a thumbs up or thumbs down.

for a cost. and what if thsi person is disabled or doesn't drive? The argument is we can't have a voter id because it inconveniences people and violates their rights. but that is just what we are doing here.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The guy that everyone thinks was a famous gunfighter, even though he was never in a gun fight? That Wyatt Earp?

There was no prohibition of guns in Dodge, or Tombstone. Open Carry was prohibited, not possession.

Oh, and the gun fight between Wyatt Earp and Curly Bill Brocius at Turkey Creek is the stuff of legends. Several accounts corroborate the Josie Marcus rendition that you are no doubt questioning. Of course Brocius was referred to as the worst shot with a revolver in all history....