CDZ Do you support California wanting to implement micro stamping on guns?

[2aguy]

This is obviously another back door attempt at gun grabbing. The theory is, a stamp is put on the firing pin of the gun, so when the gun fires, the shell casing has an identifying number on it.... allegedly to help catch criminals.

As this article points out...the firing pin can be replaced, or simply filed.....and that is if they actually care about the shell casing being found by police... since a gun passes from criminal to criminal over the course of years before it finally gets grabbed by police...

This doesn't mean anything for revolvers since the shell casing is held in the weapon...

This is just another attempt to ban guns, since the technology and infrastructure to do this hasn't even been created yet......and the paperwork? Time, money and resources that would be wasted, that could be better spent simply keeping gun criminals in jail....you know, the ones actually caught shooting people and using guns for other crimes.....

CCW Weekend: Microstamping Would Be A Great Idea, If It Could Work

But then reality intrudes, as it must, and as usual ruins basically everything. Reality is kind of like that one roommate we all had in college in that regard, and if you didn’t have that roommate then you were that roommate.

There are some serious hitches.

To start with, microstamping on the firing pin is problematic at best. As we all know, firing pin strikes are not universal. Some strikes are too hard and others are too light. Too light a strike and the stamp won’t be readable; too hard and it smears.

Another problem is that a firing pin can simply be changed. Additionally, California’s law also requires a second stamp located elsewhere in the firing mechanism, which would necessarily only be in the throat of the barrel or on the ejector. Barrels and ejectors, of course, can also be replaced. What good is the microstamping requirement when a few parts can defeat it?

There is also the documentation. This sort of documentation of firearms could be a backdoor into gun registration, which is problematic at best.

Then you have the nature of gun crimes. You see, most guns used in crimes spend five to ten years in circulation. Not all, but many. Besides crimes of passion or mass shootings – in which the suspect or perpetrator is usually identified quickly anyway – it would take years before any serious effect would manifest itself.

Even then, the effect would be mitigated by the sheer number of guns that are out there. Granted, many are in the hands of the responsible citizen, rather than the criminals, but a great many are in the hands of malefactors.

Additionally, the technology to create microstamping is not fully proven, though isn’t overly complicated. A microlaser etches the stamp in the factory, which isn’t exactly the most advanced thing in the world. The only maker of the technology – NanoMark – has had some promising tests, but no independent entities have produced tests demonstrating its efficacy.

So, like other things that make a certain amount of sense on paper – like smart guns – it would be a great idea…if it could work.

 

[night_son]

This is obviously another back door attempt at gun grabbing. The theory is, a stamp is put on the firing pin of the gun, so when the gun fires, the shell casing has an identifying number on it.... allegedly to help catch criminals.

As this article points out...the firing pin can be replaced, or simply filed.....and that is if they actually care about the shell casing being found by police... since a gun passes from criminal to criminal over the course of years before it finally gets grabbed by police...

This doesn't mean anything for revolvers since the shell casing is held in the weapon...

This is just another attempt to ban guns, since the technology and infrastructure to do this hasn't even been created yet......and the paperwork? Time, money and resources that would be wasted, that could be better spent simply keeping gun criminals in jail....you know, the ones actually caught shooting people and using guns for other crimes.....

CCW Weekend: Microstamping Would Be A Great Idea, If It Could Work

But then reality intrudes, as it must, and as usual ruins basically everything. Reality is kind of like that one roommate we all had in college in that regard, and if you didn’t have that roommate then you were that roommate.

There are some serious hitches.

To start with, microstamping on the firing pin is problematic at best. As we all know, firing pin strikes are not universal. Some strikes are too hard and others are too light. Too light a strike and the stamp won’t be readable; too hard and it smears.

Another problem is that a firing pin can simply be changed. Additionally, California’s law also requires a second stamp located elsewhere in the firing mechanism, which would necessarily only be in the throat of the barrel or on the ejector. Barrels and ejectors, of course, can also be replaced. What good is the microstamping requirement when a few parts can defeat it?

There is also the documentation. This sort of documentation of firearms could be a backdoor into gun registration, which is problematic at best.

Then you have the nature of gun crimes. You see, most guns used in crimes spend five to ten years in circulation. Not all, but many. Besides crimes of passion or mass shootings – in which the suspect or perpetrator is usually identified quickly anyway – it would take years before any serious effect would manifest itself.

Even then, the effect would be mitigated by the sheer number of guns that are out there. Granted, many are in the hands of the responsible citizen, rather than the criminals, but a great many are in the hands of malefactors.

Additionally, the technology to create microstamping is not fully proven, though isn’t overly complicated. A microlaser etches the stamp in the factory, which isn’t exactly the most advanced thing in the world. The only maker of the technology – NanoMark – has had some promising tests, but no independent entities have produced tests demonstrating its efficacy.

So, like other things that make a certain amount of sense on paper – like smart guns – it would be a great idea…if it could work.

Smith & Wesson officially becomes the second gun company to pull out of California over microstamping - Bearing Arms - California, microstamping, Ruger

I would like to see 5 and 10,000 round reliability studies per weapon model. End of the day, no thanks. Tag the round, not the weapon; easier to do on a mass consumer scale. The entire premise of adequate, reliably lethal self-defense is that it works every time. There's already enough variance in slide weight and factory loaded ammo to randomize jams. Couple that with bad magazine springs, trigger creep factory engineered to instill flinching in casual shooters, and frame twisting or barrel failure and you're already facing enough uncertainty in real defense situations.

 

[BlackFlag]

This is obviously another back door attempt at gun grabbing. The theory is, a stamp is put on the firing pin of the gun, so when the gun fires, the shell casing has an identifying number on it.... allegedly to help catch criminals.

As this article points out...the firing pin can be replaced, or simply filed.....and that is if they actually care about the shell casing being found by police... since a gun passes from criminal to criminal over the course of years before it finally gets grabbed by police...

This doesn't mean anything for revolvers since the shell casing is held in the weapon...

This is just another attempt to ban guns, since the technology and infrastructure to do this hasn't even been created yet......and the paperwork? Time, money and resources that would be wasted, that could be better spent simply keeping gun criminals in jail....you know, the ones actually caught shooting people and using guns for other crimes.....

CCW Weekend: Microstamping Would Be A Great Idea, If It Could Work

But then reality intrudes, as it must, and as usual ruins basically everything. Reality is kind of like that one roommate we all had in college in that regard, and if you didn’t have that roommate then you were that roommate.

There are some serious hitches.

To start with, microstamping on the firing pin is problematic at best. As we all know, firing pin strikes are not universal. Some strikes are too hard and others are too light. Too light a strike and the stamp won’t be readable; too hard and it smears.

Another problem is that a firing pin can simply be changed. Additionally, California’s law also requires a second stamp located elsewhere in the firing mechanism, which would necessarily only be in the throat of the barrel or on the ejector. Barrels and ejectors, of course, can also be replaced. What good is the microstamping requirement when a few parts can defeat it?

There is also the documentation. This sort of documentation of firearms could be a backdoor into gun registration, which is problematic at best.

Then you have the nature of gun crimes. You see, most guns used in crimes spend five to ten years in circulation. Not all, but many. Besides crimes of passion or mass shootings – in which the suspect or perpetrator is usually identified quickly anyway – it would take years before any serious effect would manifest itself.

Even then, the effect would be mitigated by the sheer number of guns that are out there. Granted, many are in the hands of the responsible citizen, rather than the criminals, but a great many are in the hands of malefactors.

Additionally, the technology to create microstamping is not fully proven, though isn’t overly complicated. A microlaser etches the stamp in the factory, which isn’t exactly the most advanced thing in the world. The only maker of the technology – NanoMark – has had some promising tests, but no independent entities have produced tests demonstrating its efficacy.

So, like other things that make a certain amount of sense on paper – like smart guns – it would be a great idea…if it could work.

Any obstacle towards a killer being able to freely commit murder is a good thing.

 

[jwoodie]

Any obstacle towards a killer being able to freely commit murder is a good thing.

How would this prevent a killer from committing murder?

 

[hjmick]

Sure. I don't live there anymore, don't plan on moving back, let them do what they want...

 

[hjmick]

Any obstacle towards a killer being able to freely commit murder is a good thing.

How would this prevent a killer from committing murder?

Wishful thinking...

 

[bigrebnc1775]

This is obviously another back door attempt at gun grabbing. The theory is, a stamp is put on the firing pin of the gun, so when the gun fires, the shell casing has an identifying number on it.... allegedly to help catch criminals.

As this article points out...the firing pin can be replaced, or simply filed.....and that is if they actually care about the shell casing being found by police... since a gun passes from criminal to criminal over the course of years before it finally gets grabbed by police...

This doesn't mean anything for revolvers since the shell casing is held in the weapon...

This is just another attempt to ban guns, since the technology and infrastructure to do this hasn't even been created yet......and the paperwork? Time, money and resources that would be wasted, that could be better spent simply keeping gun criminals in jail....you know, the ones actually caught shooting people and using guns for other crimes.....

CCW Weekend: Microstamping Would Be A Great Idea, If It Could Work

But then reality intrudes, as it must, and as usual ruins basically everything. Reality is kind of like that one roommate we all had in college in that regard, and if you didn’t have that roommate then you were that roommate.

There are some serious hitches.

To start with, microstamping on the firing pin is problematic at best. As we all know, firing pin strikes are not universal. Some strikes are too hard and others are too light. Too light a strike and the stamp won’t be readable; too hard and it smears.

Another problem is that a firing pin can simply be changed. Additionally, California’s law also requires a second stamp located elsewhere in the firing mechanism, which would necessarily only be in the throat of the barrel or on the ejector. Barrels and ejectors, of course, can also be replaced. What good is the microstamping requirement when a few parts can defeat it?

There is also the documentation. This sort of documentation of firearms could be a backdoor into gun registration, which is problematic at best.

Then you have the nature of gun crimes. You see, most guns used in crimes spend five to ten years in circulation. Not all, but many. Besides crimes of passion or mass shootings – in which the suspect or perpetrator is usually identified quickly anyway – it would take years before any serious effect would manifest itself.

Even then, the effect would be mitigated by the sheer number of guns that are out there. Granted, many are in the hands of the responsible citizen, rather than the criminals, but a great many are in the hands of malefactors.

Additionally, the technology to create microstamping is not fully proven, though isn’t overly complicated. A microlaser etches the stamp in the factory, which isn’t exactly the most advanced thing in the world. The only maker of the technology – NanoMark – has had some promising tests, but no independent entities have produced tests demonstrating its efficacy.

So, like other things that make a certain amount of sense on paper – like smart guns – it would be a great idea…if it could work.

Any obstacle towards a killer being able to freely commit murder is a good thing.

I'm the obstacle just like any other gun own is.

 

[rightwinger]

This is obviously another back door attempt at gun grabbing. The theory is, a stamp is put on the firing pin of the gun, so when the gun fires, the shell casing has an identifying number on it.... allegedly to help catch criminals.

As this article points out...the firing pin can be replaced, or simply filed.....and that is if they actually care about the shell casing being found by police... since a gun passes from criminal to criminal over the course of years before it finally gets grabbed by police...

This doesn't mean anything for revolvers since the shell casing is held in the weapon...

This is just another attempt to ban guns, since the technology and infrastructure to do this hasn't even been created yet......and the paperwork? Time, money and resources that would be wasted, that could be better spent simply keeping gun criminals in jail....you know, the ones actually caught shooting people and using guns for other crimes.....

CCW Weekend: Microstamping Would Be A Great Idea, If It Could Work

But then reality intrudes, as it must, and as usual ruins basically everything. Reality is kind of like that one roommate we all had in college in that regard, and if you didn’t have that roommate then you were that roommate.

There are some serious hitches.

To start with, microstamping on the firing pin is problematic at best. As we all know, firing pin strikes are not universal. Some strikes are too hard and others are too light. Too light a strike and the stamp won’t be readable; too hard and it smears.

Another problem is that a firing pin can simply be changed. Additionally, California’s law also requires a second stamp located elsewhere in the firing mechanism, which would necessarily only be in the throat of the barrel or on the ejector. Barrels and ejectors, of course, can also be replaced. What good is the microstamping requirement when a few parts can defeat it?

There is also the documentation. This sort of documentation of firearms could be a backdoor into gun registration, which is problematic at best.

Then you have the nature of gun crimes. You see, most guns used in crimes spend five to ten years in circulation. Not all, but many. Besides crimes of passion or mass shootings – in which the suspect or perpetrator is usually identified quickly anyway – it would take years before any serious effect would manifest itself.

Even then, the effect would be mitigated by the sheer number of guns that are out there. Granted, many are in the hands of the responsible citizen, rather than the criminals, but a great many are in the hands of malefactors.

Additionally, the technology to create microstamping is not fully proven, though isn’t overly complicated. A microlaser etches the stamp in the factory, which isn’t exactly the most advanced thing in the world. The only maker of the technology – NanoMark – has had some promising tests, but no independent entities have produced tests demonstrating its efficacy.

So, like other things that make a certain amount of sense on paper – like smart guns – it would be a great idea…if it could work.

Why do you want to protect criminals who kill 10,000 people a year?

 

[2aguy]

This is obviously another back door attempt at gun grabbing. The theory is, a stamp is put on the firing pin of the gun, so when the gun fires, the shell casing has an identifying number on it.... allegedly to help catch criminals.

As this article points out...the firing pin can be replaced, or simply filed.....and that is if they actually care about the shell casing being found by police... since a gun passes from criminal to criminal over the course of years before it finally gets grabbed by police...

This doesn't mean anything for revolvers since the shell casing is held in the weapon...

This is just another attempt to ban guns, since the technology and infrastructure to do this hasn't even been created yet......and the paperwork? Time, money and resources that would be wasted, that could be better spent simply keeping gun criminals in jail....you know, the ones actually caught shooting people and using guns for other crimes.....

CCW Weekend: Microstamping Would Be A Great Idea, If It Could Work

But then reality intrudes, as it must, and as usual ruins basically everything. Reality is kind of like that one roommate we all had in college in that regard, and if you didn’t have that roommate then you were that roommate.

There are some serious hitches.

To start with, microstamping on the firing pin is problematic at best. As we all know, firing pin strikes are not universal. Some strikes are too hard and others are too light. Too light a strike and the stamp won’t be readable; too hard and it smears.

Another problem is that a firing pin can simply be changed. Additionally, California’s law also requires a second stamp located elsewhere in the firing mechanism, which would necessarily only be in the throat of the barrel or on the ejector. Barrels and ejectors, of course, can also be replaced. What good is the microstamping requirement when a few parts can defeat it?

There is also the documentation. This sort of documentation of firearms could be a backdoor into gun registration, which is problematic at best.

Then you have the nature of gun crimes. You see, most guns used in crimes spend five to ten years in circulation. Not all, but many. Besides crimes of passion or mass shootings – in which the suspect or perpetrator is usually identified quickly anyway – it would take years before any serious effect would manifest itself.

Even then, the effect would be mitigated by the sheer number of guns that are out there. Granted, many are in the hands of the responsible citizen, rather than the criminals, but a great many are in the hands of malefactors.

Additionally, the technology to create microstamping is not fully proven, though isn’t overly complicated. A microlaser etches the stamp in the factory, which isn’t exactly the most advanced thing in the world. The only maker of the technology – NanoMark – has had some promising tests, but no independent entities have produced tests demonstrating its efficacy.

So, like other things that make a certain amount of sense on paper – like smart guns – it would be a great idea…if it could work.

Why do you want to protect criminals who kill 10,000 people a year?

Not me... I actually want to lock up the people who are doing all the shooting, violent repeat gun offenders who the democrats keep letting out of jail. If you want to stop gun murder....and save lives, you need to stop voting for democrats and their policies that keep letting these killers like the one in the first post, out of jail.....

micro stamping is a waste of time, money and manpower..... all it is is a back door gun ban..

 

[bigrebnc1775]

This is obviously another back door attempt at gun grabbing. The theory is, a stamp is put on the firing pin of the gun, so when the gun fires, the shell casing has an identifying number on it.... allegedly to help catch criminals.

As this article points out...the firing pin can be replaced, or simply filed.....and that is if they actually care about the shell casing being found by police... since a gun passes from criminal to criminal over the course of years before it finally gets grabbed by police...

This doesn't mean anything for revolvers since the shell casing is held in the weapon...

This is just another attempt to ban guns, since the technology and infrastructure to do this hasn't even been created yet......and the paperwork? Time, money and resources that would be wasted, that could be better spent simply keeping gun criminals in jail....you know, the ones actually caught shooting people and using guns for other crimes.....

CCW Weekend: Microstamping Would Be A Great Idea, If It Could Work

But then reality intrudes, as it must, and as usual ruins basically everything. Reality is kind of like that one roommate we all had in college in that regard, and if you didn’t have that roommate then you were that roommate.

There are some serious hitches.

To start with, microstamping on the firing pin is problematic at best. As we all know, firing pin strikes are not universal. Some strikes are too hard and others are too light. Too light a strike and the stamp won’t be readable; too hard and it smears.

Another problem is that a firing pin can simply be changed. Additionally, California’s law also requires a second stamp located elsewhere in the firing mechanism, which would necessarily only be in the throat of the barrel or on the ejector. Barrels and ejectors, of course, can also be replaced. What good is the microstamping requirement when a few parts can defeat it?

There is also the documentation. This sort of documentation of firearms could be a backdoor into gun registration, which is problematic at best.

Then you have the nature of gun crimes. You see, most guns used in crimes spend five to ten years in circulation. Not all, but many. Besides crimes of passion or mass shootings – in which the suspect or perpetrator is usually identified quickly anyway – it would take years before any serious effect would manifest itself.

Even then, the effect would be mitigated by the sheer number of guns that are out there. Granted, many are in the hands of the responsible citizen, rather than the criminals, but a great many are in the hands of malefactors.

Additionally, the technology to create microstamping is not fully proven, though isn’t overly complicated. A microlaser etches the stamp in the factory, which isn’t exactly the most advanced thing in the world. The only maker of the technology – NanoMark – has had some promising tests, but no independent entities have produced tests demonstrating its efficacy.

So, like other things that make a certain amount of sense on paper – like smart guns – it would be a great idea…if it could work.

Why do you want to protect criminals who kill 10,000 people a year?

That is untrue.

 

[2aguy]

This is obviously another back door attempt at gun grabbing. The theory is, a stamp is put on the firing pin of the gun, so when the gun fires, the shell casing has an identifying number on it.... allegedly to help catch criminals.

As this article points out...the firing pin can be replaced, or simply filed.....and that is if they actually care about the shell casing being found by police... since a gun passes from criminal to criminal over the course of years before it finally gets grabbed by police...

This doesn't mean anything for revolvers since the shell casing is held in the weapon...

This is just another attempt to ban guns, since the technology and infrastructure to do this hasn't even been created yet......and the paperwork? Time, money and resources that would be wasted, that could be better spent simply keeping gun criminals in jail....you know, the ones actually caught shooting people and using guns for other crimes.....

CCW Weekend: Microstamping Would Be A Great Idea, If It Could Work

But then reality intrudes, as it must, and as usual ruins basically everything. Reality is kind of like that one roommate we all had in college in that regard, and if you didn’t have that roommate then you were that roommate.

There are some serious hitches.

To start with, microstamping on the firing pin is problematic at best. As we all know, firing pin strikes are not universal. Some strikes are too hard and others are too light. Too light a strike and the stamp won’t be readable; too hard and it smears.

Another problem is that a firing pin can simply be changed. Additionally, California’s law also requires a second stamp located elsewhere in the firing mechanism, which would necessarily only be in the throat of the barrel or on the ejector. Barrels and ejectors, of course, can also be replaced. What good is the microstamping requirement when a few parts can defeat it?

There is also the documentation. This sort of documentation of firearms could be a backdoor into gun registration, which is problematic at best.

Then you have the nature of gun crimes. You see, most guns used in crimes spend five to ten years in circulation. Not all, but many. Besides crimes of passion or mass shootings – in which the suspect or perpetrator is usually identified quickly anyway – it would take years before any serious effect would manifest itself.

Even then, the effect would be mitigated by the sheer number of guns that are out there. Granted, many are in the hands of the responsible citizen, rather than the criminals, but a great many are in the hands of malefactors.

Additionally, the technology to create microstamping is not fully proven, though isn’t overly complicated. A microlaser etches the stamp in the factory, which isn’t exactly the most advanced thing in the world. The only maker of the technology – NanoMark – has had some promising tests, but no independent entities have produced tests demonstrating its efficacy.

So, like other things that make a certain amount of sense on paper – like smart guns – it would be a great idea…if it could work.

Smith & Wesson officially becomes the second gun company to pull out of California over microstamping - Bearing Arms - California, microstamping, Ruger

I would like to see 5 and 10,000 round reliability studies per weapon model. End of the day, no thanks. Tag the round, not the weapon; easier to do on a mass consumer scale. The entire premise of adequate, reliably lethal self-defense is that it works every time. There's already enough variance in slide weight and factory loaded ammo to randomize jams. Couple that with bad magazine springs, trigger creep factory engineered to instill flinching in casual shooters, and frame twisting or barrel failure and you're already facing enough uncertainty in real defense situations.

You don't need to do that either..... they don't care about solving crimes... this is just another back door attempt at banning guns without losing seats in the legislature.....

 

[2aguy]

This is obviously another back door attempt at gun grabbing. The theory is, a stamp is put on the firing pin of the gun, so when the gun fires, the shell casing has an identifying number on it.... allegedly to help catch criminals.

As this article points out...the firing pin can be replaced, or simply filed.....and that is if they actually care about the shell casing being found by police... since a gun passes from criminal to criminal over the course of years before it finally gets grabbed by police...

This doesn't mean anything for revolvers since the shell casing is held in the weapon...

This is just another attempt to ban guns, since the technology and infrastructure to do this hasn't even been created yet......and the paperwork? Time, money and resources that would be wasted, that could be better spent simply keeping gun criminals in jail....you know, the ones actually caught shooting people and using guns for other crimes.....

CCW Weekend: Microstamping Would Be A Great Idea, If It Could Work

But then reality intrudes, as it must, and as usual ruins basically everything. Reality is kind of like that one roommate we all had in college in that regard, and if you didn’t have that roommate then you were that roommate.

There are some serious hitches.

To start with, microstamping on the firing pin is problematic at best. As we all know, firing pin strikes are not universal. Some strikes are too hard and others are too light. Too light a strike and the stamp won’t be readable; too hard and it smears.

Another problem is that a firing pin can simply be changed. Additionally, California’s law also requires a second stamp located elsewhere in the firing mechanism, which would necessarily only be in the throat of the barrel or on the ejector. Barrels and ejectors, of course, can also be replaced. What good is the microstamping requirement when a few parts can defeat it?

There is also the documentation. This sort of documentation of firearms could be a backdoor into gun registration, which is problematic at best.

Then you have the nature of gun crimes. You see, most guns used in crimes spend five to ten years in circulation. Not all, but many. Besides crimes of passion or mass shootings – in which the suspect or perpetrator is usually identified quickly anyway – it would take years before any serious effect would manifest itself.

Even then, the effect would be mitigated by the sheer number of guns that are out there. Granted, many are in the hands of the responsible citizen, rather than the criminals, but a great many are in the hands of malefactors.

Additionally, the technology to create microstamping is not fully proven, though isn’t overly complicated. A microlaser etches the stamp in the factory, which isn’t exactly the most advanced thing in the world. The only maker of the technology – NanoMark – has had some promising tests, but no independent entities have produced tests demonstrating its efficacy.

So, like other things that make a certain amount of sense on paper – like smart guns – it would be a great idea…if it could work.

Any obstacle towards a killer being able to freely commit murder is a good thing.

This doesn't do that.... or anything close... they don't care about stopping criminals... they just know that they can keep some people from getting guns by mandating a technology that can't be made to work.... so you can't buy a gun that doesn't have this technology, so you simply won't be able to have a gun...

 

[rightwinger]

This is obviously another back door attempt at gun grabbing. The theory is, a stamp is put on the firing pin of the gun, so when the gun fires, the shell casing has an identifying number on it.... allegedly to help catch criminals.

As this article points out...the firing pin can be replaced, or simply filed.....and that is if they actually care about the shell casing being found by police... since a gun passes from criminal to criminal over the course of years before it finally gets grabbed by police...

This doesn't mean anything for revolvers since the shell casing is held in the weapon...

This is just another attempt to ban guns, since the technology and infrastructure to do this hasn't even been created yet......and the paperwork? Time, money and resources that would be wasted, that could be better spent simply keeping gun criminals in jail....you know, the ones actually caught shooting people and using guns for other crimes.....

CCW Weekend: Microstamping Would Be A Great Idea, If It Could Work

But then reality intrudes, as it must, and as usual ruins basically everything. Reality is kind of like that one roommate we all had in college in that regard, and if you didn’t have that roommate then you were that roommate.

There are some serious hitches.

To start with, microstamping on the firing pin is problematic at best. As we all know, firing pin strikes are not universal. Some strikes are too hard and others are too light. Too light a strike and the stamp won’t be readable; too hard and it smears.

Another problem is that a firing pin can simply be changed. Additionally, California’s law also requires a second stamp located elsewhere in the firing mechanism, which would necessarily only be in the throat of the barrel or on the ejector. Barrels and ejectors, of course, can also be replaced. What good is the microstamping requirement when a few parts can defeat it?

There is also the documentation. This sort of documentation of firearms could be a backdoor into gun registration, which is problematic at best.

Then you have the nature of gun crimes. You see, most guns used in crimes spend five to ten years in circulation. Not all, but many. Besides crimes of passion or mass shootings – in which the suspect or perpetrator is usually identified quickly anyway – it would take years before any serious effect would manifest itself.

Even then, the effect would be mitigated by the sheer number of guns that are out there. Granted, many are in the hands of the responsible citizen, rather than the criminals, but a great many are in the hands of malefactors.

Additionally, the technology to create microstamping is not fully proven, though isn’t overly complicated. A microlaser etches the stamp in the factory, which isn’t exactly the most advanced thing in the world. The only maker of the technology – NanoMark – has had some promising tests, but no independent entities have produced tests demonstrating its efficacy.

So, like other things that make a certain amount of sense on paper – like smart guns – it would be a great idea…if it could work.

Why do you want to protect criminals who kill 10,000 people a year?

Not me... I actually want to lock up the people who are doing all the shooting, violent repeat gun offenders who the democrats keep letting out of jail. If you want to stop gun murder....and save lives, you need to stop voting for democrats and their policies that keep letting these killers like the one in the first post, out of jail.....

micro stamping is a waste of time, money and manpower..... all it is is a back door gun ban..

Knowing the gun a bullet came from helps stop crime

Why do you support protecting criminals?

 

[rightwinger]

This is obviously another back door attempt at gun grabbing. The theory is, a stamp is put on the firing pin of the gun, so when the gun fires, the shell casing has an identifying number on it.... allegedly to help catch criminals.

As this article points out...the firing pin can be replaced, or simply filed.....and that is if they actually care about the shell casing being found by police... since a gun passes from criminal to criminal over the course of years before it finally gets grabbed by police...

This doesn't mean anything for revolvers since the shell casing is held in the weapon...

This is just another attempt to ban guns, since the technology and infrastructure to do this hasn't even been created yet......and the paperwork? Time, money and resources that would be wasted, that could be better spent simply keeping gun criminals in jail....you know, the ones actually caught shooting people and using guns for other crimes.....

CCW Weekend: Microstamping Would Be A Great Idea, If It Could Work

But then reality intrudes, as it must, and as usual ruins basically everything. Reality is kind of like that one roommate we all had in college in that regard, and if you didn’t have that roommate then you were that roommate.

There are some serious hitches.

To start with, microstamping on the firing pin is problematic at best. As we all know, firing pin strikes are not universal. Some strikes are too hard and others are too light. Too light a strike and the stamp won’t be readable; too hard and it smears.

Another problem is that a firing pin can simply be changed. Additionally, California’s law also requires a second stamp located elsewhere in the firing mechanism, which would necessarily only be in the throat of the barrel or on the ejector. Barrels and ejectors, of course, can also be replaced. What good is the microstamping requirement when a few parts can defeat it?

There is also the documentation. This sort of documentation of firearms could be a backdoor into gun registration, which is problematic at best.

Then you have the nature of gun crimes. You see, most guns used in crimes spend five to ten years in circulation. Not all, but many. Besides crimes of passion or mass shootings – in which the suspect or perpetrator is usually identified quickly anyway – it would take years before any serious effect would manifest itself.

Even then, the effect would be mitigated by the sheer number of guns that are out there. Granted, many are in the hands of the responsible citizen, rather than the criminals, but a great many are in the hands of malefactors.

Additionally, the technology to create microstamping is not fully proven, though isn’t overly complicated. A microlaser etches the stamp in the factory, which isn’t exactly the most advanced thing in the world. The only maker of the technology – NanoMark – has had some promising tests, but no independent entities have produced tests demonstrating its efficacy.

So, like other things that make a certain amount of sense on paper – like smart guns – it would be a great idea…if it could work.

Any obstacle towards a killer being able to freely commit murder is a good thing.

This doesn't do that.... or anything close... they don't care about stopping criminals... they just know that they can keep some people from getting guns by mandating a technology that can't be made to work.... so you can't buy a gun that doesn't have this technology, so you simply won't be able to have a gun...

Paranoia

 

[2aguy]

This is obviously another back door attempt at gun grabbing. The theory is, a stamp is put on the firing pin of the gun, so when the gun fires, the shell casing has an identifying number on it.... allegedly to help catch criminals.

As this article points out...the firing pin can be replaced, or simply filed.....and that is if they actually care about the shell casing being found by police... since a gun passes from criminal to criminal over the course of years before it finally gets grabbed by police...

This doesn't mean anything for revolvers since the shell casing is held in the weapon...

This is just another attempt to ban guns, since the technology and infrastructure to do this hasn't even been created yet......and the paperwork? Time, money and resources that would be wasted, that could be better spent simply keeping gun criminals in jail....you know, the ones actually caught shooting people and using guns for other crimes.....

CCW Weekend: Microstamping Would Be A Great Idea, If It Could Work

But then reality intrudes, as it must, and as usual ruins basically everything. Reality is kind of like that one roommate we all had in college in that regard, and if you didn’t have that roommate then you were that roommate.

There are some serious hitches.

To start with, microstamping on the firing pin is problematic at best. As we all know, firing pin strikes are not universal. Some strikes are too hard and others are too light. Too light a strike and the stamp won’t be readable; too hard and it smears.

Another problem is that a firing pin can simply be changed. Additionally, California’s law also requires a second stamp located elsewhere in the firing mechanism, which would necessarily only be in the throat of the barrel or on the ejector. Barrels and ejectors, of course, can also be replaced. What good is the microstamping requirement when a few parts can defeat it?

There is also the documentation. This sort of documentation of firearms could be a backdoor into gun registration, which is problematic at best.

Then you have the nature of gun crimes. You see, most guns used in crimes spend five to ten years in circulation. Not all, but many. Besides crimes of passion or mass shootings – in which the suspect or perpetrator is usually identified quickly anyway – it would take years before any serious effect would manifest itself.

Even then, the effect would be mitigated by the sheer number of guns that are out there. Granted, many are in the hands of the responsible citizen, rather than the criminals, but a great many are in the hands of malefactors.

Additionally, the technology to create microstamping is not fully proven, though isn’t overly complicated. A microlaser etches the stamp in the factory, which isn’t exactly the most advanced thing in the world. The only maker of the technology – NanoMark – has had some promising tests, but no independent entities have produced tests demonstrating its efficacy.

So, like other things that make a certain amount of sense on paper – like smart guns – it would be a great idea…if it could work.

Why do you want to protect criminals who kill 10,000 people a year?

Not me... I actually want to lock up the people who are doing all the shooting, violent repeat gun offenders who the democrats keep letting out of jail. If you want to stop gun murder....and save lives, you need to stop voting for democrats and their policies that keep letting these killers like the one in the first post, out of jail.....

micro stamping is a waste of time, money and manpower..... all it is is a back door gun ban..

Knowing the gun a bullet came from helps stop crime

Why do you support protecting criminals?

No, it doesn't.

 

[jwoodie]

Why do you want to protect criminals who kill 10,000 people a year?

2/3 of gun deaths in the U.S. are suicides.

 

[2aguy]

Why do you want to protect criminals who kill 10,000 people a year?

2/3 of gun deaths in the U.S. are suicides.

But we would be able to tell that the gun in the hand of the person who committed suicide is the gun that the shell casing came from......

 

[rightwinger]

I have also heard where they can put tracers into the gunpowder so they can tell who bought the bullets

Criminals tremble....NRA Blocks it

 

[OnePercenter]

This is obviously another back door attempt at gun grabbing. The theory is, a stamp is put on the firing pin of the gun, so when the gun fires, the shell casing has an identifying number on it.... allegedly to help catch criminals.

As this article points out...the firing pin can be replaced, or simply filed.....and that is if they actually care about the shell casing being found by police... since a gun passes from criminal to criminal over the course of years before it finally gets grabbed by police...

This doesn't mean anything for revolvers since the shell casing is held in the weapon...

This is just another attempt to ban guns, since the technology and infrastructure to do this hasn't even been created yet......and the paperwork? Time, money and resources that would be wasted, that could be better spent simply keeping gun criminals in jail....you know, the ones actually caught shooting people and using guns for other crimes.....

CCW Weekend: Microstamping Would Be A Great Idea, If It Could Work

But then reality intrudes, as it must, and as usual ruins basically everything. Reality is kind of like that one roommate we all had in college in that regard, and if you didn’t have that roommate then you were that roommate.

There are some serious hitches.

To start with, microstamping on the firing pin is problematic at best. As we all know, firing pin strikes are not universal. Some strikes are too hard and others are too light. Too light a strike and the stamp won’t be readable; too hard and it smears.

Another problem is that a firing pin can simply be changed. Additionally, California’s law also requires a second stamp located elsewhere in the firing mechanism, which would necessarily only be in the throat of the barrel or on the ejector. Barrels and ejectors, of course, can also be replaced. What good is the microstamping requirement when a few parts can defeat it?

There is also the documentation. This sort of documentation of firearms could be a backdoor into gun registration, which is problematic at best.

Then you have the nature of gun crimes. You see, most guns used in crimes spend five to ten years in circulation. Not all, but many. Besides crimes of passion or mass shootings – in which the suspect or perpetrator is usually identified quickly anyway – it would take years before any serious effect would manifest itself.

Even then, the effect would be mitigated by the sheer number of guns that are out there. Granted, many are in the hands of the responsible citizen, rather than the criminals, but a great many are in the hands of malefactors.

Additionally, the technology to create microstamping is not fully proven, though isn’t overly complicated. A microlaser etches the stamp in the factory, which isn’t exactly the most advanced thing in the world. The only maker of the technology – NanoMark – has had some promising tests, but no independent entities have produced tests demonstrating its efficacy.

So, like other things that make a certain amount of sense on paper – like smart guns – it would be a great idea…if it could work.

Why do you continue to rail against responsible gun ownership?

 

[2aguy]

I have also heard where they can put tracers into the gunpowder so they can tell who bought the bullets

Criminals tremble....NRA Blocks it

Actually, it was pixie dust.... they get it from the fairy kingdoms, place it in the bullets and the Elf Queen can tell us who committed the crime.... it is all just as scientific as it sounds...