Do you notice how LW never admit their real goal is to overturn the 2nd amendment?

[2aguy]

Why don't they follow the processes of the government and get 2/3 of Congress and 75% of states to overturn the 2nd amendment?

It's because they know it won't happen...so they will continually try to erode it with continuing to reduce our rights.

I'm not shy about wanting to scrap it. It's an embarrassing anachronism. It's too dangerous now with modern technology in weapons. Mass murders of innocents are too common in this country. Mandalay Bay is partly the fault of the GOP and the NRA, and gun nuts throughout the USA. They were standing next to the shooter in that hotel room, in spirit, cheering him on.

If we can't scrap it , then it should be enforced correctly, which is to only allow gun ownership to those in their Natl Guard. The first clause of the amendment should be restored fully.

There were 6 mass public shootings in 2016....with 71 people murdered....

There were 130 people murdered in the Paris attack, where fully automatic military rifles are banned.....and another 13 murdered in France in the Charlie Hebdo attack, again, with banned, fully automatic military rifles....

And a rental truck was used to murder 89 people in Nice, France....

Apparently you can't stop criminals from getting fully automatic rifles even when you ban them......and a rental truck murdered more people than all of the mass shootings each year in the United States including this year........

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2017: Data From Mother Jones’ Investigation – Mother Jones

So stuff it, moron.....

Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year to stop violent criminals and to save lives, including against mass public shooters....

1,500,000 crimes stopped, vs. 71 people murdered by mass public shooters in 2016...

Can you tell which number is bigger?

 

[velvtacheeze]

Why don't they follow the processes of the government and get 2/3 of Congress and 75% of states to overturn the 2nd amendment?

It's because they know it won't happen...so they will continually try to erode it with continuing to reduce our rights.

I'm not shy about wanting to scrap it. It's an embarrassing anachronism. It's too dangerous now with modern technology in weapons. Mass murders of innocents are too common in this country. Mandalay Bay is partly the fault of the GOP and the NRA, and gun nuts throughout the USA. They were standing next to the shooter in that hotel room, in spirit, cheering him on.

If we can't scrap it , then it should be enforced correctly, which is to only allow gun ownership to those in their Natl Guard. The first clause of the amendment should be restored fully.

There were 6 mass public shootings in 2016....with 71 people murdered....

There were 130 people murdered in the Paris attack, where fully automatic military rifles are banned.....and another 13 murdered in France in the Charlie Hebdo attack, again, with banned, fully automatic military rifles....

And a rental truck was used to murder 89 people in Nice, France....

Apparently you can't stop criminals from getting fully automatic rifles even when you ban them......and a rental truck murdered more people than all of the mass shootings each year in the United States including this year........

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2017: Data From Mother Jones’ Investigation – Mother Jones

So stuff it, moron.....

Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year to stop violent criminals and to save lives, including against mass public shooters....

1,500,000 crimes stopped, vs. 71 people murdered by mass public shooters in 2016...

Can you tell which number is bigger?

That stat on crimes stopped by guns is a winger myth. Fake news.

Gun violence is much rarer in Europe than in the US because they limit access to them. No one is saying it stops all violence. But it does lessen it a lot. In the United States, where guns are ubiquitous, so is gun violence.

 

[2aguy]

Why don't they follow the processes of the government and get 2/3 of Congress and 75% of states to overturn the 2nd amendment?

It's because they know it won't happen...so they will continually try to erode it with continuing to reduce our rights.

I'm not shy about wanting to scrap it. It's an embarrassing anachronism. It's too dangerous now with modern technology in weapons. Mass murders of innocents are too common in this country. Mandalay Bay is partly the fault of the GOP and the NRA, and gun nuts throughout the USA. They were standing next to the shooter in that hotel room, in spirit, cheering him on.

If we can't scrap it , then it should be enforced correctly, which is to only allow gun ownership to those in their Natl Guard. The first clause of the amendment should be restored fully.

And tell us.....since Americans have 600 million guns, and over 16.3 million Americans carry them for self defense.....and they use those guns 1,500,000 times a year to actually stop violent criminals and occasionally mass public shooters....how does that stack up to mass public shooters killing people?

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2017: Data From Mother Jones’ Investigation – Mother Jones
US Mass Shootings, 1982-2016: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation



How many deaths on average according to Mother Jones...anti gun, uber left wing Mother Jones.......

Keep in mind....Knives were used to murder 1,604 people, clubs 472, and bare hands 656, and those numbers are that high every single year...........vs. these mass public shooter deaths...

2016.....71

2015......37
2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7
1999...42 ( Columbine)
1998...14
1997...9
1996...6
1995...6
1994...5
1993...23
1992...9
1991...35 (Looby's cafe)
1990...10
1989...15
1988...7
1987...6
1984...28
1983...none listed
1982...8

 

[2aguy]

Why don't they follow the processes of the government and get 2/3 of Congress and 75% of states to overturn the 2nd amendment?

It's because they know it won't happen...so they will continually try to erode it with continuing to reduce our rights.

I'm not shy about wanting to scrap it. It's an embarrassing anachronism. It's too dangerous now with modern technology in weapons. Mass murders of innocents are too common in this country. Mandalay Bay is partly the fault of the GOP and the NRA, and gun nuts throughout the USA. They were standing next to the shooter in that hotel room, in spirit, cheering him on.

If we can't scrap it , then it should be enforced correctly, which is to only allow gun ownership to those in their Natl Guard. The first clause of the amendment should be restored fully.

There were 6 mass public shootings in 2016....with 71 people murdered....

There were 130 people murdered in the Paris attack, where fully automatic military rifles are banned.....and another 13 murdered in France in the Charlie Hebdo attack, again, with banned, fully automatic military rifles....

And a rental truck was used to murder 89 people in Nice, France....

Apparently you can't stop criminals from getting fully automatic rifles even when you ban them......and a rental truck murdered more people than all of the mass shootings each year in the United States including this year........

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2017: Data From Mother Jones’ Investigation – Mother Jones

So stuff it, moron.....

Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year to stop violent criminals and to save lives, including against mass public shooters....

1,500,000 crimes stopped, vs. 71 people murdered by mass public shooters in 2016...

Can you tell which number is bigger?

That stat on crimes stopped by guns is a winger myth. Fake news.

Gun violence is much rarer in Europe than in the US because they limit access to them. No one is saying it stops all violence. But it does lessen it a lot. In the United States, where guns are ubiquitous, so is gun violence.

Wow.....you are one of the dumb ones.......

Crimes stopped with guns is backed up by 40 years of actual research on the topic....

Self defense with a gun......40 years of actual research...first is the name of the group that conducted the research, then the year, then the number of defensive gun uses and finally wether the research contained police or military defensive gun uses....

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....
GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops, military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

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If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

 

[2aguy]

Why don't they follow the processes of the government and get 2/3 of Congress and 75% of states to overturn the 2nd amendment?

It's because they know it won't happen...so they will continually try to erode it with continuing to reduce our rights.

I'm not shy about wanting to scrap it. It's an embarrassing anachronism. It's too dangerous now with modern technology in weapons. Mass murders of innocents are too common in this country. Mandalay Bay is partly the fault of the GOP and the NRA, and gun nuts throughout the USA. They were standing next to the shooter in that hotel room, in spirit, cheering him on.

If we can't scrap it , then it should be enforced correctly, which is to only allow gun ownership to those in their Natl Guard. The first clause of the amendment should be restored fully.

There were 6 mass public shootings in 2016....with 71 people murdered....

There were 130 people murdered in the Paris attack, where fully automatic military rifles are banned.....and another 13 murdered in France in the Charlie Hebdo attack, again, with banned, fully automatic military rifles....

And a rental truck was used to murder 89 people in Nice, France....

Apparently you can't stop criminals from getting fully automatic rifles even when you ban them......and a rental truck murdered more people than all of the mass shootings each year in the United States including this year........

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2017: Data From Mother Jones’ Investigation – Mother Jones

So stuff it, moron.....

Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year to stop violent criminals and to save lives, including against mass public shooters....

1,500,000 crimes stopped, vs. 71 people murdered by mass public shooters in 2016...

Can you tell which number is bigger?

That stat on crimes stopped by guns is a winger myth. Fake news.

Gun violence is much rarer in Europe than in the US because they limit access to them. No one is saying it stops all violence. But it does lessen it a lot. In the United States, where guns are ubiquitous, so is gun violence.

And no....European gun control doesn't stop any crime.......

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade | Daily Mail Online

The latest Government figures show that the total number of firearm offences in England and Wales has increased from 5,209 in 1998/99 to 9,865 last year - a rise of 89 per cent.

The number of people injured or killed by guns, excluding air weapons, has increased from 864 in 1998/99 to a provisional figure of 1,760 in 2008/09, an increase of 104 per cent .




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Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

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Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

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He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

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Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

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Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

 

[ColonelAngus]

Why don't they follow the processes of the government and get 2/3 of Congress and 75% of states to overturn the 2nd amendment?

It's because they know it won't happen...so they will continually try to erode it with continuing to reduce our rights.

I'm not shy about wanting to scrap it. It's an embarrassing anachronism. It's too dangerous now with modern technology in weapons. Mass murders of innocents are too common in this country. Mandalay Bay is partly the fault of the GOP and the NRA, and gun nuts throughout the USA. They were standing next to the shooter in that hotel room, in spirit, cheering him on.

If we can't scrap it , then it should be enforced correctly, which is to only allow gun ownership to those in their Natl Guard. The first clause of the amendment should be restored fully.

Standing next to the shooter in spirit?

Well, you have your work cut out for you. good luck.


Honestly, if it helps you, think of the 58 murders as very late abortions. Now you don't mind them.

 

[ColonelAngus]

All those stats that Captain Kirk is throwing out don't mean anything to Progs. They are strictly emotional and will not consider facts.

 

[JoeB131]

Why don't they follow the processes of the government and get 2/3 of Congress and 75% of states to overturn the 2nd amendment?

It's because they know it won't happen...so they will continually try to erode it with continuing to reduce our rights.

Hey, I have no problem with Well Regulated Militias.

Stephen Paddock was not a Well-Regulated Militia. He was a nut with a gun who killed 60 and wounded 400.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Why don't they follow the processes of the government and get 2/3 of Congress and 75% of states to overturn the 2nd amendment?

It's because they know it won't happen...so they will continually try to erode it with continuing to reduce our rights.

Hey, I have no problem with Well Regulated Militias.

Stephen Paddock was not a Well-Regulated Militia. He was a nut with a gun who killed 60 and wounded 400.

Yes, a lot of people were hurt because of the free society we live in. It sucks.

Mass murder has been committed with box cutters, fertilizer, and box trucks.

Shit happens.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes, a lot of people were hurt because of the free society we live in. It sucks.

I'm sorry, I don't feel "free" when I have to walk through security at work and most places I have to go because you can never tell when a nut has a gun.

Shit happens.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Come on, libbies, you can do it.

Get 2/3 of Congress and 75% of states to vote to repeal and you guys are all set...no more 2nd amendment.

I think you can do it...and you should run on a Repeal the 2nd amendment platform.

 

[JoeB131]

Come on, libbies, you can do it.

Get 2/3 of Congress and 75% of states to vote to repeal and you guys are all set...no more 2nd amendment.

I think you can do it...and you should run on a Repeal the 2nd amendment platform.

I think that day might come sooner than you think.

In the meantime, there are much easier ways to put the gun nuts out of business, though.

We can start by allowing the victims of gun violence to sue gun manufacturers and sellers.